Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

[trainmania100]

Ive got 142052 as moved to Kingsbury on 5Z42 on 20/12/19 but the above documentation list is reporting it as at Worksop, can anyone confirm its whereabouts? Ive been taking my notes from Facebook and groups.io so could be misinformed

 

[Jamesrob637]

Here they are passing stalybridge

Love the sky, just a pity it's red in the morning and not in the evening!

 

[deltic14]

There seems to be a lot confusion about 50 and 52 which has been perpetuated since an error was made somewhere along the line. The Kingsbury move on the 20th went from Worksop and was made up of 37 / 52 / 64 which stayed together after their arrival from Heaton on the 30/11/19. There is photographic evidence (facebook last days of pacers) that 52 was in the middle of the other two and it is very unlikely they would have been shunted around. 50 moved from Heaton to Gascoigne Wood along with 39 and 66 on the 11/12/19. The first scrap move from Gascoigne Wood was today meaning 50 is still at Gascoigne. Somewhere along the line someone has erroneously recorded 52 as 50 and vice versa which is a simple error to make. This has been repeated leading to the confusion.

Does anyone know what is in the Heaton Gascoigne Wood today ?

 

[158722]

There seems to be a lot confusion about 50 and 52 which has been perpetuated since an error was made somewhere along the line. The Kingsbury move on the 20th went from Worksop and was made up of 37 / 52 / 64 which stayed together after their arrival from Heaton on the 30/11/19. There is photographic evidence (facebook last days of pacers) that 52 was in the middle of the other two and it is very unlikely they would have been shunted around. 50 moved from Heaton to Gascoigne Wood along with 39 and 66 on the 11/12/19. The first scrap move from Gascoigne Wood was today meaning 50 is still at Gascoigne. Somewhere along the line someone has erroneously recorded 52 as 50 and vice versa which is a simple error to make. This has been repeated leading to the confusion.

Does anyone know what is in the Heaton Gascoigne Wood today ?

142028, 034 & 046 meaning the following 22 units are currently at Gascoigne Wood;
142003 142007 142009 142014 142021 142026 142028 142031
142032 142034 142038 142039 142046 142048 142049 142050
142053 142056 142057 142060 142089 142092

 

[deltic14]

Many Thanks.

 

[Chris217]

Here's a video of the trio passing through Shrewsbury.

 

[anamyd]

Here's a video of the trio passing through Shrewsbury.

Yesss!!! You're an absolute legend!!!

(Trying to sparingly post "thank you" messages)

 

[Chris217]

Yesss!!! You're an absolute legend!!!

(Trying to sparingly post "thank you" messages)

Meeeeee!!!!
Only doing my duty mate.
I love the Pacers.
Tbh it brought a lump to my throat and
a tear in the eye!

They have my full respect.

Long live Pacers lol.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Ive got 142052 as moved to Kingsbury on 5Z42 on 20/12/19 but the above documentation list is reporting it as at Worksop, can anyone confirm its whereabouts? Ive been taking my notes from Facebook and groups.io so could be misinformed

Yes it is at kingsbury

 

[The Prisoner]

For the uninitiated and by way of a recap can someone confirm which location means what?

Kingsbury and Booths = scrap yard?
What does being at Gascoigne Wood or Worksop mean? Holding pending a trip to the scrap yard?

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Meeeeee!!!!
Only doing my duty mate.
I love the Pacers.
Tbh it brought a lump to my throat and
a tear in the eye!

They have my full respect.

Long live Pacers lol.

I have liked trains ever since I was 5 and pacers have always been my favourite

 

[IamTrainsYT]

For the uninitiated and by way of a recap can someone confirm which location means what?

Kingsbury and Booths = scrap yard?
What does being at Gascoigne Wood or Worksop mean? Holding pending a trip to the scrap yard?

Kingsbury, booths and Newport docks are scrapping locations. Gascoigne Wood and Worksop are storage locations before the go for scrap/preservation

 

[Chris217]

They certainly have a lot more character than a boring 150.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

They certainly have a lot more character than a boring 150.

And can grip the track better

 

[trainmania100]

Would be nice to see a few more pacers get preserved on heritage lines, hopefully some preserved lines a bit more closer to me , might have their eyes on a prize, East kent is probably my closest (Sussex) id be happy to donate a bit of cash. May be spa valley railway or lavender line.

 

[Coolzac]

Does anyone know of any more heritage lines looking to obtain a pacer? I know of someone who is willing to pay the cost of one in return for a few rights on it.

Given the relative cheap cost of getting one i'm surprised there haven't been more preserved. They will be part of our railway heritage very soon!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Would be nice to see a few more pacers get preserved on heritage lines, hopefully some preserved lines a bit more closer to me , might have their eyes on a prize, East kent is probably my closest (Sussex) id be happy to donate a bit of cash. May be spa valley railway or lavender line.

A few have already been secured, the only real gap remaining is nobody's taken a chance on 3-car 144 (yet...)

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Does anyone know of any more heritage lines looking to obtain a pacer? I know of someone who is willing to pay the cost of one in return for a few rights on it.

Given the relative cheap cost of getting one i'm surprised there haven't been more preserved. They will be part of our railway heritage very soon!

Not every railway will be interested in a 1980s DMU though, especially in areas they never ran. On the plus side, a Pacer would be a cheap and hopefully reliable unit for "early-bird" services while the kettles are still being prepped... but many railways do WW2 or "Roaring Twenties" events, where a souped-up Leyland National in the background will ruin the illusion of the photos!

 

[superkev]

Not every railway will be interested in a 1980s DMU though, especially in areas they never ran. On the plus side, a Pacer would be a cheap and hopefully reliable unit for "early-bird" services while the kettles are still being prepped... but many railways do WW2 or "Roaring Twenties" events, where a souped-up Leyland National in the background will ruin the illusion of the photos!

I think if I was a preserved railway I'd go for the aluminium bodied 143 144s rather than the rust afflicted 142s.
Also I wonder how they will fare on a 25mph railway in permanent low (hydraulic drive) gear.
K

 

[reddragon]

I think if I was a preserved railway I'd go for the aluminium bodied 143 144s rather than the rust afflicted 142s.
Also I wonder how they will fare on a 25mm railway in permanent low (hydraulic drive) gear.
K

A guage conversation to 25mm would make them even more unstable

 

[SteveyBee131]

I think if I was a preserved railway I'd go for the aluminium bodied 143 144s rather than the rust afflicted 142s.
Also I wonder how they will fare on a 25mm railway in permanent low (hydraulic drive) gear.
K

I'm thinking you probably mean a 25mph railway!
I can see where you're coming from, very valid thought.

141113 at Butterley has the same engine and transmission, last I knew it was still doing well. I wonder if anyone on here works with it and might be able to enlighten us on how they manage with this conundrum?

 

[xotGD]

Would be nice to see a few more pacers get preserved on heritage lines, hopefully some preserved lines a bit more closer to me , might have their eyes on a prize, East kent is probably my closest (Sussex) id be happy to donate a bit of cash. May be spa valley railway or lavender line.

I'd consider making a donation to the KWVR if they promise NOT to get a Pacer!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I'd consider making a donation to the KWVR if they promise NOT to get a Pacer!

Though the KWVR would be a more appropriate location than anywhere South of the Thames... and they already have a railbus!

 

[xotGD]

Though the KWVR would be a more appropriate location than anywhere South of the Thames... and they already have a railbus!

Don't give them ideas!

 

[reddragon]

Is there anywhere that we could run 2x 8-car pacers at full speed head on into each other?

Make great material for a train disaster film!

 

[ed1971]

I'd consider making a donation to the KWVR if they promise NOT to get a Pacer!

The problem with keeping the preserved first generation DMUs running is getting parts. I read recently that the cost for a single refurbished axle for a heritage DMU is about £10k.

Pacers are just as much part of railway history and several should be preserved as runners on heritage railways. They are a cheap to operate unit for a heritage railway. Many of the younger generation won't remember Class 25s, 304s, 504s, 104s, 108, 115s etc.

It is just the same with vintage bus rallies. I don't consider a lot of the buses that are at the rallies vintage and vehicles such as Dennis Dart SLFs are just too modern for me. My idea of vintage vehicles are Leyland Titan PDs, Daimler Fleetlines, AEC Routemasters etc , though the younger generation won't remember these in service,

 

[Chris217]

Good call ed1971

 

[Peter Bonner]

Here's a video of the trio passing through Shrewsbury.

Great stuff. Thats the pacer squeal! Remember it so well when some-the skippers-were in south west in later 1980s

 

[Basher]

today I videoed the class 142s and HSTs at Gascoigne Wood as I passed through on the train. Can anyone help me on how to upload the video please? It's 275,000 KB.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

today I videoed the class 142s and HSTs at Gascoigne Wood as I passed through on the train. Can anyone help me on how to upload the video please? It's 275,000 KB.

upload to where?