TheBigD
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745007 currently allocated to 1P15 - 0740 NRW-LST.
Yeah the Braintree is ahead at Stratford..so i guess you catch that up! And in front of that is a Southend with Romford call. Trying to route the IC is like try to get a thread through the eye of a needle.1P15 is very leisurely timed south of Witham. It's often a case of running at 80mph with the 90/DVT sets to save frequent braking at restrictive signals. Slow running Forest Gate through to Stratford can also be expected. Normally runs into Liverpool St around 09:22 a couple of minutes early on GBTT times as waits for the platform to become available too.
Yeah the Braintree is ahead at Stratford..so i guess you catch that up!
Best Ipswich to London time on our database is 50 mins 3 sec. Almost impossible today except on a Sunday!1P15 is very leisurely timed south of Witham. It's often a case of running at 80mph with the 90/DVT sets to save frequent braking at restrictive signals. Slow running Forest Gate through to Stratford can also be expected. Normally runs into Liverpool St around 09:22 a couple of minutes early on GBTT times as waits for the platform to become available too.
I've done it in 53 on the 07:40 & that was with waiting outside Liverpool St for a platform. Delayed 8 mins at Ipswich & no less than four GEs either delayed or put out of the way to give me greens. Most exhilarating trip I've ever done.Best Ipswich to London time on our database is 50 mins 3 sec. Almost impossible today except on a Sunday!
That's a train i would like to have been on!I've done it in 53 on the 07:40 & that was with waiting outside Liverpool St for a platform. Delayed 8 mins at Ipswich & no less than four GEs either delayed or put out of the way to give me greens. Most exhilarating trip I've ever done.
Signaller is probably working at full tilt and both have 1xxx codes so it is not an easy quick decision that a 1Y should be looped to let a 1P past, is it?17:30 back to Liverpool Street losing time because 1y51 Ipswich is 10 late but signaller chose not to loop it at Witham even though it stops there.
Who ultimately decides? Is it GA control?Signaller is probably working at full tilt and both have 1xxx codes so it is not an easy quick decision that a 1Y should be looped to let a 1P past, is it?
They can have an input if it only affects their services. Network Rail ultimately have the final say.Who ultimately decides? Is it GA control?
Signaller is probably working at full tilt and both have 1xxx codes so it is not an easy quick decision that a 1Y should be looped to let a 1P past, is it?
It's just common sense to loop it briefly if it is possible.Why should it be looped at all. The GE is a heavily utilised commuter railway. Norwich isn’t special, why delay anyone else?!
I’d put Norwich to the back of the queue, especially the Norwich in 90 nonsense.
NR manage the infrastructure, it’s ultimately their role to manage the traffic.
It's just common sense to loop it briefly if it is possible.
as is so often the case, the “common sense” approach may not be the correct one. What if the driver is due a relief? Or the train is timetabled to make a connection with another service if it gets looped?
It takes 2-3 minutes. What about the driver on the Intercity? Same applies.as is so often the case, the “common sense” approach may not be the correct one. What if the driver is due a relief? Or the train is timetabled to make a connection with another service if it gets looped?
Only the "flagship" Norwich line. Some ex-Anglia lines seem often treated in a cavalier manner by HQ perhaps even worse than the old GE, such as Ipswich-Peterborough.Ex Anglia Railways sections of the franchise have a superirority complex who believe that the Norwich line should come before anything else, this has been the case since the late 90s and early 2000s - Michael Schabas didn't exactly hide this!
Trying to put aside any Norwich vs GE rivalries / feelings etc, ultimately you have a situation where a train fault caused a down Ipswich to be terminated at Colchester, and turned around and sent back to London. Someone took the decision to send it back out on the main line at that time. And anyone knowing the timetable would have known it was right in the path of another faster train with fewer stops. So I ask, why wasn't the now late train (1Y51) put into P1 at Witham to let the other train through?Why should it be looped at all. The GE is a heavily utilised commuter railway. Norwich isn’t special, why delay anyone else?!
I’d put Norwich to the back of the queue, especially the Norwich in 90 nonsense.
NR manage the infrastructure, it’s ultimately their role to manage the traffic.
Think you will probably find ARS makes most of the decisions if the signaller hasn't had a chance to intervene....and I don't think its clever enough to route into any other platform than what is booked.
Must admit I thought Liverpool St IECC could put a train back into ARS after a manual intervention, but happy to be wrong.
Anyone know if 745007 (or indeed any other 745) is running again today?
I agree. Try the Simsig Liverpool Street simulation and things can get very messy very quickly if you start altering stuff from the ARS.I might be wrong on this, not been to Liverpool Street IECC in a long while and every ARS installation is a little bit different.
I concur that signaller and controller workload is easy to underestimate for those who haven't spent time in control environments, even when things are running smoothly.
Trying to put aside any Norwich vs GE rivalries / feelings etc, ultimately you have a situation where a train fault caused a down Ipswich to be terminated at Colchester, and turned around and sent back to London. Someone took the decision to send it back out on the main line at that time. And anyone knowing the timetable would have known it was right in the path of another faster train with fewer stops. So I ask, why wasn't the now late train (1Y51) put into P1 at Witham to let the other train through?
In the end , two services ended up late instead of an on-time Intercity, and a single late semi fast - which to be fair have incurred the same delay anyway when it was put into Shenfield P1.
Whatever type of train i'm on, i hope the controllers do their best to manage the delays sensibly. In this case, it didn't seem a sensible decision as it unduly created more delay to one of the trains.
Anyway it highlights the fact that the infrastructure is lacking. The GEML really needs 4 tracks south of Colchester. just as the A12 really needs 3 lanes South of Ipswich, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon!
Control are not robots and one person can be juggling many issues at the same time, especially in the current GA climate. To make a relatively split second decision on regulating is simply not always possible, especially in ARS areas once the route has been called. Must admit I thought Liverpool St IECC could put a train back into ARS after a manual intervention, but happy to be wrong.
Unless you’ve actually sat in the Controllers chair and done the job it is difficult to understand, but then that is true of many jobs.