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Unusual 444 on Woking stopper

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444010 worked the 2320 stopping service from London Waterloo to Woking of Friday, March 13th. Why? The **20/**50 is the half hourly service usually formed of 455s and 456s that calls pretty much everywhere, including Vauxhall, Earlsfield and Hersham and Esher. I have never seen the Woking stopping service formed of a 444 before. Why has this happened last night?
 
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At a guess, to get a train where it needs to be?
 

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At a guess, to get a train where it needs to be?
In the May 2019 working notices it was booked an 8.450, and still might be. There’s all sorts of odd workings at start and end of day. Now if that 8.450 had previously been replaced by a single 444, for whatever random reason, it would probably carry on with the diagram...
 

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It is just to get a 444 in place to work 2T09 0620 Woking to Portsmouth Harbour from platform 6 on Saturday morning.

Might well be different next week depending on the requirements for the weekend engineering variations.
 

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I saw 2 x 455 on a service to Haslemere a month or so ago. The guard and the dispatch staff were saying it was unusual at Clapham Junction.
 

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I have never seen the Woking stopping service formed of a 444 before. Why has this happened last night?
The 0514 Guildford to Waterloo on a Saturday morning used to be a single 444, that was a stopping service via Woking, so it is not unheard of.
 

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I saw 2 x 455 on a service to Haslemere a month or so ago. The guard and the dispatch staff were saying it was unusual at Clapham Junction.

happens occasionally but certainly isn’t usual.

during the strikes a 6 car 159 done the calling pattern of a Basingstoke stopper, then all stops from Basingstoke to Salisbury.

on a different day a 10 car 707 made it to Southampton calling Woking, Basingstoke, Winchester, Parkway and Central. First time in passenger service a 707 has hit a ton I’d imagine.
 

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happens occasionally but certainly isn’t usual.

during the strikes a 6 car 159 done the calling pattern of a Basingstoke stopper, then all stops from Basingstoke to Salisbury.

on a different day a 10 car 707 made it to Southampton calling Woking, Basingstoke, Winchester, Parkway and Central. First time in passenger service a 707 has hit a ton I’d imagine.
Some years ago I had a pair of 159s on a Waterloo to Weymouth express!
 

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Is there still a booked 444 on a Basingstoke - Waterloo stopper? Or did that end with the timetable change
 

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The Sou' Western seems to like these little treats on late-night services... in the early 2000s the last down Hampton Court service of the night was always a slammer (usually a VEP but occasionally a CIG or CEP/BEP). Every other service on the line was 455, and they still had the abysmal original seating back then.
 

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The 2320 Waterloo to Woking stopper is generally a Desiro on weekdays, albeit an 8 car 450. For a period of a year or so, the weekday 2153 Waterloo to Alton, 2316 Alton to Woking, and 0040 Woking to Alton journeys were a 10 car 458. You can sometimes still catch a 458 on Altons though - recently on some Sundays during engineering works, when they aren't attaching/splitting with Basingstoke portions at Woking and a shuttle service between there and Alton is operated. As someone mentioned above, a 455 made it to Haslemere recently (and I'm also aware of a 458/5 making it there in 2017 in passenger service), and a pair of 707s made it to Southampton during last year's December strikes.
 

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Wouldn't say its that out of the ordinary by the way thats pure bad manners putting your feet up on a train table like that.
 

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The 2320 Waterloo to Woking stopper is generally a Desiro on weekdays, albeit an 8 car 450...
Thanks for confirming it’s still a booked 8.450, as I suspected in my earlier post it might be, in continuation of last summers workings.

“5.444 replaces 8.450” isn’t that unusual, is it...
 

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The 2320 is booked a 4-car 450 at the moment. The 0027 is booked 8-450, but that used to be a booked 444, running all stations to Surbiton.
 

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The 2320 is booked a 4-car 450 at the moment. The 0027 is booked 8-450, but that used to be a booked 444, running all stations to Surbiton.
When did that change - the 2320 was definitely an 8 last time I saw it a few weeks back (unless it was a Saturday and it’s still 8 then, or overnight works had seen stuff shuffled about?). Going back a few years I remember the 2320 and 0027 stock used to end up in the East End siding together overnight. On days the 0027 was terminated at Wimbledon due to overnight possessions being taken out, and the unit not making it to Woking, the 2320 would run as a 12. That was always fun as back then Vauxhall, Clapham, Earlsfield and Wimbledon were all only 8 car platforms, and those passengers aren’t used to having to be in a particular part of a train to alight (especially late night after a few drinkies!).
 

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Changed in December I believe, but it does vary a lot. The 2320 and 0027 are booked to both end up in the East End Siding and attach for the morning.
 

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Saw 444 on a Shepperton Via Richmond about 13/14 years ago at Clapham, Kingston was closed and I had just come up Via Epsom on a 442 on a diverted Weymouth- I had joined at Guildford

have any 442’s ever made it west of Virginia Water towards Reading?
 

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Saw 444 on a Shepperton Via Richmond about 13/14 years ago at Clapham, Kingston was closed and I had just come up Via Epsom on a 442 on a diverted Weymouth- I had joined at Guildford

have any 442’s ever made it west of Virginia Water towards Reading?
Shouldn’t have done, 442 & 444 are not route cleared Virginia Water to Reading.
 
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