Whistler40145
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156/158 using a coach from each unit
Mine was 4-VEP + 4TC + class 33 locomotive in the 1970s
Yes, they "revised" the NSE livery whilst the 319s were being built - original livery of light grey, medium blue and sharp cornered up-sweeps were replaced by darker grey, darker blue and round cornered up-sweeps. Heres a good comparison: https://www.philt.org.uk/BR/BR-emu/i-s4xg4zcWas at City Thameslink one evening and a 319 came in Southbound towing a brand new unit, in slightly different livery, was one of the new later 319s with first class. Stopped half way along the platform waiting for a double amber. Presumably the driver didn’t fancy stopping on the incline to Blackfriars with a dead shoeless 319 in tow
Presumably Selhurst was easier to reach with EMU haulage via Thameslink tunnel, than taking a diesel hauled train a different delivery route (think it would have been about early 1990)
I am sure there was a period where there was a scheduled train from Waterloo to Salisbury that split in the evening peak, always operated from one of the centre platforms (9 ?) as it was 13 vehicles
I've not seen or heard of 317+321 pairs.
The 322 must win for being the EMU that has worked the most routes in its life!Not sure if this has been mentioned before but 317s worked with 322s on rush hour Peterborough trains after the 322s were displaced off the Stansted Express. Back in 1999 a 317+322 pair made it to Norwich. I've not seen or heard of 317+321 pairs.
The 322 must win for being the EMU that has worked the most routes in its life!
The 322's also turned up on some Colchester - Walton / Clacton shuttles, I've a picture of one somewhere.Maybe, Liverpool Street to Stansted Airport, Manchester Airport to London Euston, Edinburgh to North Berwick, Liverpool Street to Manningtree, Glasgow Central to Edinburgh / North Berwick, Leeds to Doncaster / Ilkley / Bradford / Skipton.
However, some of the original 317 fleet have operated all of the main London OHLE routes which is perhaps more route mileage - eg Moorgate / St Pancras to Bedford, London Euston to Northampton, Kings Cross to Kings Lynn / Cambridge / Peterborough, Liverpool Street to Enfield Town / Chingford / Hertford North / Stansted Airport / Cambridge, Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness, Liverpool Street to Ipswich / Norwich
On the subject of 322s, near the end of their second spell with First ScotRail, one (no. 484) made it to Ayr in passenger service on a evening peak run (on 21st April 2010 to be precise). The Ayrshire Coast Line was still in the hands of 318s & 334s at that time; the 380s had yet to arrive. Images of it calling at & leaving Irvine linked here. Hardly a regular duty, but regardless, one more to add to the seemingly endless list of routes they've worked in passenger service since new lol
Yes often paired with 317'sDidn't they end up on Peterborough to Kings X services in the WAGN days also?
I'd love to see it if there has beenI'm guessing not, given the very short timescales of both classes working for the same TOC, but has there ever been a Turbostar/Pacer lash up?
Although the couplers are compatible, there's some sort of electrical issue thrown up when they've tried to be coupled... so Northern haven't allowed it since they got the 170s.I'm guessing not, given the very short timescales of both classes working for the same TOC, but has there ever been a Turbostar/Pacer lash up?
I think Pacer+170 combos can run ECS, but in "passenger service" mode there's some issue with doors opening themselves. When TfW got the 170s they were told not to couple them to Pacers under any circumstances. They did actually run a 150+170 but I think it was an ECS run.Although the couplers are compatible, there's some sort of electrical issue thrown up when they've tried to be coupled... so Northern haven't allowed it since they got the 170s.
One of the TPE 170s was involved in a fatality at Deighton in around 2009/10 and was apparently recovered using a Pacer that was stabled in Huddersfield sidings. I'm not aware of any other instances of the two types even trying to be worked together, though the knowledge of the electrical issue suggests that someone must have tried it!
I think Pacer+170 combos can run ECS, but in "passenger service" mode there's some issue with doors opening themselves. When TfW got the 170s they were told not to couple them to Pacers under any circumstances. They did actually run a 150+170 but I think it was an ECS run.
You can add Braintree to this list. Also they go to Clacton for maintenance but, unless somone knows differently, they have never been there with passengers.Maybe, Liverpool Street to Stansted Airport, Manchester Airport to London Euston, Edinburgh to North Berwick, Liverpool Street to Manningtree, Glasgow Central to Edinburgh / North Berwick, Leeds to Doncaster / Ilkley / Bradford / Skipton.
However, some of the original 317 fleet have operated all of the main London OHLE routes which is perhaps more route mileage - eg Moorgate / St Pancras to Bedford, London Euston to Northampton, Kings Cross to Kings Lynn / Cambridge / Peterborough, Liverpool Street to Enfield Town / Chingford / Hertford North / Stansted Airport / Cambridge, Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness, Liverpool Street to Ipswich / Norwich
4 x 4 EPBs with 9 compartment trailers (instead of 10) that were built in the 1940s as composites but never ran as such)
Some time after regular 33/TC operation ended, I worked in an office overlooking the West London Line near West Brompton, and almost anything could turn up on the Kenny Belle - a pair of 73s with a TC, a pair of 73s with a pair of Mk 1s, 33+TC, a Hampshire diesel unit.....
There was at one point in the mid-1980s when I was using the service a two-car Western Region DMU in use; unfortunately, I can't recall what class it was.
Usually a class 117. It was when the service was first extended to Willesden Junction but before it was electrified. They worked empty up to Clapham Junction from Gatwick and back.
I think Pacer+170 combos can run ECS, but in "passenger service" mode there's some issue with doors opening themselves. When TfW got the 170s they were told not to couple them to Pacers under any circumstances. They did actually run a 150+170 but I think it was an ECS run.
Once a Class 376 rescued a 375 somewhere in London. Funnily, the doors couldn't all be opened at the same time, so the 376's doors were opened separately to the 375's. There's more information here.
This is a 23 coach Electrostar. I know it's technically not made of multiple types of train but I thought it was interesting enough to post here. One full-length set broke down so another full-length set was attached and pushed it, but only one of the individual units could actually push it (I guess they were only mechanically connected as the Mitrac system would probably have a fit).
if thats full length, how is it an odd number of coaches?
Was it possible for the 442 to couple to other stock? I've never seen a Porker coupled to anything but another one.
Yes - I've seen photos of a 442 and a VEP in multiple. But they couldn't run like that in service because the slammer wouldn't be able to control the 442's doors.