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Class 484 replacing class 483 on the island line: progress updates

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Rick1984

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Yes they look good and should suit the line well just a shame they've not been tarted up a bit more but that's being picky.

What did they do at Smallbrook and Rink Road; lower the track?
 
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Just wondering what's the isle of Wight steam railway usual operating season ?

Hoping to combine the two so I can see both old trains so to speak and if lucky spot the new train arriving. :)
 

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Island Line services are suspended from 4th Jan 2021 so 3rd Jan likely to be the final day for the 38's.
 

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I know the artist impression is not the most recent image but the other pictures show same front. Just wondering why these have a standard slab front compared to the TfW units.
My intention was just to confirm that the more finished units, by including Unit number and TOC name, show they won’t get anything else. I still think the TfW version front is nothing to do with crash worthiness.
 

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Island Line services are suspended from 4th Jan 2021 so 3rd Jan likely to be the final day for the 38's.

Ta. Shall have to try and get over there at some point this year for a last ride.

My intention was just to confirm that the more finished units, by including Unit number and TOC name, show they won’t get anything else. I still think the TfW version front is nothing to do with crash worthiness.

It's just a fibreglass fairing to make it look nice so far as I am aware, and the LNR units don't have it either.
 

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All the road-railers are registered (but not with TOPS), have 12-digit numbers and a 7-year life before retirement, or rebuild to current spec. I was not aware that Trackwork machines had this, hence my reference to 'High Street', the method adopted at, I think, Dawlish and Shakespeare Cliff (put me right, someone, if I've got that wrong). Would save a fortune by not having exclusively NR contractors (and their gold-plated prices).
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What is High Street in layman's terms please?

My intention was just to confirm that the more finished units, by including Unit number and TOC name, show they won’t get anything else. I still think the TfW version front is nothing to do with crash worthiness.
Dumb question about crash worthiness - other than buffer stops or stuff parked in the depot, is there any means/opportunity for Island Line stock to hit anything not squishy(for want of a better term)?
 

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I think “high street” in this context means the worksite is fully separated from the operational railway, or the railway is completely shut down, so safety procedures and access rules are no more onerous than any normal building site, ie “just like on the High St”. So you can employ Bob the builder, rather than Brunel...

I don’t think Island Line will be much different to any single track branch, with the odd loop. Still a minor risk of road vehicle incursion somewhere I expect...
 

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With gauging work nearing completion I doubt they'll bother testing on the mainland now - probably easier, cheaper and much more representative to bring 001 straight down to the Island.
It would take forever to run up the needed miles on the Island before they enter passenger service, 1500 I understand though \i may be wrong.
 

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Just wondering what's the isle of Wight steam railway usual operating season ?

Hoping to combine the two so I can see both old trains so to speak and if lucky spot the new train arriving. :)

The Steam Railway is planning to be open most days in both September and October. Please check this page nearer the time as running days are changing as demand evolves with the Covid situation.

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The dates surrounded by a white circle are non running days, open on all the other days.
 

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It would take forever to run up the needed miles on the Island before they enter passenger service, 1500 I understand though \i may be wrong.

It's just a lot of return trips, probably overnight - I can't think of an alternative worth the cost and complexity, and as SWR expect the first unit in September there isn't really the time either.
 
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The Steam Railway is planning to be open most days in both September and October. Please check this page nearer the time as running days are changing as demand evolves with the Covid situation.

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The dates surrounded by a white circle are non running days, open on all the other days.

Thanks, going to start planning my trip, looking at a round robin journey Liverpool -London- Portsmouth-Bath-Worcester- Liverpool.
 

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Thanks, going to start planning my trip, looking at a round robin journey Liverpool -London- Portsmouth-Bath-Worcester- Liverpool.
Don't count on there being a 2 train service, even if it is advertised. If planning a connection with he steam railway, you can only count on the "first" island line train running (the one in each direction that in theory has another following after a 20 minute gap).
 

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so 3rd of jan might be the last day for the old trains, would the railway be open that close after christmas or would they just close for christmas and then not re open again
 

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so 3rd of jan might be the last day for the old trains, would the railway be open that close after christmas or would they just close for christmas and then not re open again
Would be strange to say 4 Jan when they meant 25 Dec?
 

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Surely the line does not have the capacity for the 484s to be tested with the current 2tph passenger service which is why I think they will be based at Eastleigh for testing and possibly crew training.
 

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Surely the line does not have the capacity for the 484s to be tested with the current 2tph passenger service which is why I think they will be based at Eastleigh for testing and possibly crew training.

Could the 484s, on test, follow just behind the 483s in service? Could they manage the passing loop in this way?
 

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Yes, they could just run 1 service train, as happens for much of the time now anyway, and 1 test train.
 

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Yes, they could just run 1 service train, as happens for much of the time now anyway, and 1 test train.
Or in fact theoretically could run in the third hourly path with the standard 2tph still running - since they can non stop possibly less of a performance risk, and can probably be turned at St John's or Sandown too. Issue I imagine would be I doubt they have crew to run effectively another shift per day
 

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Issue I imagine would be I doubt they have crew to run effectively another shift per day

Presumably the TOC is responsible for testing, or is it Vivarail? If it is the TOC, then SWR will have to pay for the extra shift anyway.
 

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The 230s for the Borderlands Line are being test driven, I believe, by drivers from one of the freight operators which suggests to me that Vivarail are responsible for the testing. This is my reason for thinking that the new trains will not be seen on the Island Line until they have been tested and clocked up the necessary mileage.
 

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Surely the line does not have the capacity for the 484s to be tested with the current 2tph passenger service which is why I think they will be based at Eastleigh for testing and possibly crew training.
Would the closure to 31st March not include the time needed for testing and training on the 484s on the island, once the infrastructure work is done?
 

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Would the closure to 31st March not include the time needed for testing and training on the 484s on the island, once the infrastructure work is done?

I would expect the trains to be run on a shadow timetable for a short while before reopening but I would not expect the full testing to take place during the shutdown as that would be a loss of revenue. The shutdown is to deal with the infrastructure up-grades not the rolling stock upgrades although the one necessitated the other. That is another reason why I would expect the full testing to take place on the mainland.

As an example the testing for the Borderlands 230s takes place in Worcestershire and then the train is moved to Birkenhead for further testing on the line. The two that have been delivered so far were not running this week because of problems with the onboard safety equipment whatever that means.
 

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Popped by Smallbrook on Saturday, couldn't get a decent photo but they've lifted the Down (southbound) line under Smallbrook Lane as expected - this, and the Up line under Rink Road tackled last week, should address what were believed to be the tightest clearances on the line.

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I would expect the trains to be run on a shadow timetable for a short while before reopening but I would not expect the full testing to take place during the shutdown as that would be a loss of revenue. The shutdown is to deal with the infrastructure up-grades not the rolling stock upgrades although the one necessitated the other. That is another reason why I would expect the full testing to take place on the mainland.

According to SWR the first unit is expected on the Island in September, that should give them 3+ months to test before the blockade. With an hourly service on winter sundays, 3tph theoretically possible during the day and plenty of time overnight there ought to be enough opportunity to test on the Island.

IMO if Vivarail were planning to run 484s on the 3rd rail network we'd surely have heard about it by now.
 
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IMO if Vivarail were planning to run 484s on the 3rd rail network we'd surely have heard about it by now.

Units with class numbers in the 400-499 series are Southern 3rd rail EMUs so I think we have heard about it. Otherwise they would have been class 230 DMUs.
 

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Doesn’t Melton have a few miles of third rail they could do early tests on?
 

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Units with class numbers in the 400-499 series are Southern 3rd rail EMUs so I think we have heard about it. Otherwise they would have been class 230 DMUs.

Sorry, I meant to say the mainland 3rd rail network - the necessary paperwork for gauging etc wouldn't have gone unnoticed I'm sure.
 
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