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What New RTR models would you like to see in OO gauge

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Missing DMU classes right now are 165, 166, 168-171 Turbostars (in planning but no dates given), 175, 185, 220-1 (unavailable for some years now),222 and then as been said a few new classes 195, 230 and maybe the Hydraflex models.

Not sure you can make that claim for Voyagers just because none have been made for a while (which is surprising as they'd probably sell well).

There are some N-gauge ones in Bachmann's list of forthcoming models but not any OO ones (it's a fair few years since the last N gauge ones).
 
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Simply Voyagers aren't available and haven't been for some time and as I understand there are no plans to produce a further run. on that basis I'd call the 220 & 221s missing classes. The old model is not DCC ready either.
 

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Simply Voyagers aren't available and haven't been for some time and as I understand there are no plans to produce a further run. on that basis I'd call the 220 & 221s missing classes. The old model is not DCC ready either.

I converted my class 220 to DCC. It required 3 chips, re-wiring, new lights and a hell of a lot of time coming in at £150 to convert. Its the same for the Bachmann class 166. Ouch, it puts pay to 2nd hand EMU choices that are not DCC ready.
 

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Simply Voyagers aren't available and haven't been for some time and as I understand there are no plans to produce a further run. on that basis I'd call the 220 & 221s missing classes. The old model is not DCC ready either.
Personally I wouldn't call the Voyagers a missing class. There has been no real big livery change to warrant another batch. Almost all versions that have been done so far pop up on eBay every so often so its not like they are unavailable. It would be nice if they did a 222 though.
 

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Personally I wouldn't call the Voyagers a missing class. There has been no real big livery change to warrant another batch. Almost all versions that have been done so far pop up on eBay every so often so its not like they are unavailable. It would be nice if they did a 222 though.
We clearly have a differing interpretation of missing, but that's OK. As reddragon pointed out in the previous post it's both difficult and expensive to convert the Bachmann Voyager to DCC, as indeed it is with the old 158/9 and their 170s
 

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I suppose I always look at something being available and current (or at least available second hand) as - Is it a modern well detailed and finished model, with a quiet multiple wheel drive and pick-up motor?
If it is then it feels like a modern generation model. But then taking into account what @reddragon says about converting his Voyager to DCC, then to me that feels like it isn’t because a lot of people wouldn’t feel like attempting that amount of work if they’d just got into the hobby.
Personally I feel like one of the most well known (and loved! ;)) passenger trains on the network should absolutely be available as DCC ready.
 

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Simply Voyagers aren't available and haven't been for some time and as I understand there are no plans to produce a further run. on that basis I'd call the 220 & 221s missing classes. The old model is not DCC ready either.

What is your source for 'no plans to produce a further run'? I'd heard that with the N Gauge ones too, and yet two models were announced for this year.

They could modify the chassis for DCC, as has been done by many manufacturers with older models.
 

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What is your source for 'no plans to produce a further run'? I'd heard that with the N Gauge ones too, and yet two models were announced for this year.

They could modify the chassis for DCC, as has been done by many manufacturers with older models.

All that is needed is power connectors between the coaches and DCC compliant wiring.
 

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What is your source for 'no plans to produce a further run'? I'd heard that with the N Gauge ones too, and yet two models were announced for this year.

They could modify the chassis for DCC, as has been done by many manufacturers with older models.

I'm not sure how you have a source for not hearing about something, and I'm talking OO gauge here, haven't read or heard anything from Bachmann about a re-release of the model. I have to say it's not a subject I follow intensely. I have a class 221, which has speakers at both ends of the unit, which I thoroughly enjoy running, so I'm not looking to add another Voyager to my fleet.

p.s. the lights could do with upgrading too.
 

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I'm not sure how you have a source for not hearing about something, and I'm talking OO gauge here, haven't read or heard anything from Bachmann about a re-release of the model.

Which doesn't mean it won't happen, then!

Also sorts of models go a few years between releases as there isn't a demand for constant releases of most things (except Mallard!).
 

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I hope it does happen and I look forward to you posting that news on here. Meanwhile it seems you have agreed its current status can be regarded as missing.
 

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I hope it does happen and I look forward to you posting that news on here. Meanwhile it seems you have agreed its current status can be regarded as missing.

Sorry, I've not agreed that at all.

A model is only 'missing' if it's never been commercially produced. If someone particularly wants a Voyager a few weeks of watching ebay will no doubt get them one.
 

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Ok. Probably time to wrap that argument up and agree to disagree. ;)
 

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My view is that the class 166/220 etc are available if you want a DC railway but not realistic for a DCC railway.

There are many locos made commercially in the past I would not count due to dreadful quality.

I am down to my last 10 DC only locos, but the class 170, 220 & 466 cost me a lot to do. Mainline / Bachman split chassis locos are a lost cause and as for old Wrenn / Dublo . . .
 

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Electrostar for myself! So many options after that! Southern, SouthEastern, (All types of livery there), C2C (With a front nose change) First Capital Connect, and 387's you have Southern, GWR, C2C so on and so forth, I always found it strange that Bachmann having the tooling shell for the 170/171 (albeit requiring modification to get to a Electrostar) would be part of the way there, instead went with the Desiro's (But not the 444). There doesn't seem to be much in terms of having a collection for the modern era in Electric (my opinion of course) I'd also love to see more mass produced MK3 stock E.G. 319's, 321's and such. A big wish list I know, but I can dream!
 

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Personally I would like to see a class 323. I would also like to see class 123 and 124 as previously mentioned.

I also agree with an earlier poster about the AM 4, 5, and 8.

The class 185, could surely then be used as a basis for the class 360?

The 195 and 331's use the same body shells in real life, so 2 models for 1 tooling, with minor changes for diesel engines and pantagraph.
 

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Personally I would like to see a class 323. I would also like to see class 123 and 124 as previously mentioned.

I also agree with an earlier poster about the AM 4, 5, and 8.

The class 185, could surely then be used as a basis for the class 360?

The 195 and 331's use the same body shells in real life, so 2 models for 1 tooling, with minor changes for diesel engines and pantagraph.
With the 150s already tooled, I'd imagine the 455s wouldn't be too big a leap.
 

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They could modify the chassis for DCC, as has been done by many manufacturers with older models.

They were originally going to do that with the Class 158, but then decided they might as well re-tool it to a new model. Eventually came out after 7 or 8 years from original announcement, which contributed quite a bit to Bachmann a reputation for taking ages to deliver on products. I think they planned to just modify the chassis for the 170 too at one point (A TPE DCC Fitted 170 was once announced) but then silently dropped, and now of course a new re-tooled one has been announced.


I'd love to see the bombardier electrostar/turbostar range done to a modern standard with interior/directional LED lighting. Would really like to see a 172, albiety they only really run in Birmingham/London so probabbly aren't very financially viable to produce. If they used slides they could probably be made with the Class 387 which has a more lucrative variety to compete with. I love getting DMUs/EMUs, running them in multiple and watching them whizz around in a circle, quite relaxing. The Class 350 is brilliant for this.

+1 for a cute class 139 too!


(I think there's also a tendency for people to prefer models of their local area. I'm probably seem quite biased with all my suggestions being West Midlands based! I'd probably buy a 185 if one was made.)
 

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So Heljan are bringing out the class 104, but why are most of the units M - Midland units

I find this across coaching stock and DMUs quite widely, most coach numbers start with M, and somewhat less with E (Eastern). W (Western) are rare unless in Chocolate & Cream, S (Southern) only come in green and Sc (Scottish) are very rare, although there seems to be a unit for the Class 104.

Why is this?
 

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I'd like to see dmu classes 116, 119 and 120, also a 151 would be nice.
304 and 310 for EMUs,
Then for more modern classes 172 and 755 units would be nice.
 

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Wish Bachmann would reintroduce the class 350 in Transpennine livery and Hornby a updated class 156 with working lights.Had a Dapol pendolino several years ago good model but very noisy when being run but the new Dapol class 73 and 68 I have are both superb models
 

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Wish Bachmann would reintroduce the class 350 in Transpennine livery and Hornby a updated class 156 with working lights.Had a Dapol pendolino several years ago good model but very noisy when being run but the new Dapol class 73 and 68 I have are both superb models

Realtrack do a class 156 that's got all the bells and whistle's ...for a price.

For the love of God, someone make some 4 car Southern Reigon EMUs, in NSE livery too!
 

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Realtrack do a class 156 that's got all the bells and whistle's ...for a price.



Thanks, I hope it runs under its own power, unlike the real 4TC!

Speaking of which, it seems Southern Pride models are no longer making any MK1 rolling stock kits-so there goes their 4CIG models sadly
 

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Whilst I think the priority needs to be modern stock, in particular EMUs for older fans I'd go for

Southern - Leader class
LMS - Big Bertha and early diesel shunters, jack-shaft etc and old Merseyside & North London EMUs
LNER - Streamlined B17; U1 and streamlined P2 - NER electric locos 1-13 and Tyneside articulated EMUs
BR - 10100, 11001

haha, there
Looks like at least one of our prayers has been answered.... ;)

 

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Thanks, I hope it runs under its own power, unlike the real 4TC!
The Bachmann 4-TCs are unpowered, just like the prototypes: It'd be strange if they were otherwise, surely.
So Heljan are bringing out the class 104, but why are most of the units M - Midland units

I find this across coaching stock and DMUs quite widely, most coach numbers start with M, and somewhat less with E (Eastern). W (Western) are rare unless in Chocolate & Cream, S (Southern) only come in green and Sc (Scottish) are very rare, although there seems to be a unit for the Class 104.

Why is this?
I thought I recall it being said that the Midland was the largest of the regions geographically, and hence perhaps M prefixed coaching stock and units is thought to have appeal to the greatest number of modellers, or maybe BR Midland region had more passenger stock overall? Not sure on the latter, just a vague surmise.

Bachmann are currently producing the class 117 and 121 DMUs, once Lima staples in the 00 gauge world, which were primarily Western region units and are numbered appropriately. From what I've seen, Bachmann also seem to have achieved good national representation of the regions with their mark 1 stock.

Personally I would like to see a class 323. I would also like to see class 123 and 124 as previously mentioned.
I'd have no use for such a thing on my own or any likely future layout so I'd be unable to put my money where my mouth is unfortunately, but I'd also like to see a RTR class 323: They're a bit geographically specific, but they have worn quite a range of liveries for a relatively small class, which would surely ensure good use of the tooling producing different permutations of the class.

A RTR class 124 is something that I'd be watching a bit more closely, though. I wouldn't mind a 4-car set in blue & grey. I am surprised nobody's got around to producing one of those: Very stylish units.
 
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Looks like at least one of our prayers has been answered.... ;)

They have GT3 and a Leader on there too!
 

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Yep, 10100 gets my vote :)
Hopefully any model 10100 won't resemble the original's performance too closely - otherwise you might be advised to check your fire insurance policy, and you will need to enlarge your model loco. works.......
 
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