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Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

ScotRail158725

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Not much Lothian wise at ensign in January
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From Lothian Buses : Scania’s SN57DBY / DCE

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Volvo B7RLE SK07CGY : Halpenny Transport Ltd, Dundalk Co Louth.
 
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buslad1988

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Not much Lothian wise at ensign in January
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From Lothian Buses : Scania’s SN57DBY / DCE

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Volvo B7RLE SK07CGY : Halpenny Transport Ltd, Dundalk Co Louth.
That may soon change. Observed three Gemini’s in marine car park all de-branded. Sorry couldn’t ID them!
 

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Can confirm a very small number of B9's have been prepped for sale.

That's unexpected, should there be a return to a (somewhat?) normal service in the summer wouldn't there then be a shortfall of vehicles?
 

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Can confirm a very small number of B9's have been prepped for sale.
I never thought that would happen so soon
Thats earlier than I expected!

Buses at Seafield according to Findlay Smith are 833, 836, 858, 863 and 869
That's unexpected, should there be a return to a (somewhat?) normal service in the summer wouldn't there then be a shortfall of vehicles?
To be fair, could just be paint, there just de branded inside Seafield works.
 
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How can I make a new thread/forum to discuss matters such as Lothian fleet things rather than cluttering up this one with questions about specific buses?
Thanks :).
I think maybe it's something @GusB could help define if they were agreeable. I've often thought it would be helpful to split this thread into one for the Lothian network/services and a separate one for technical info on screws or bolts. The latter could be a 'thread for nuts', if you like.....
But seriously, vehicle specs, fleet changes, livery etc might deserve an area of their own, maybe for operators across south east Scotland if just Lothian is too narrow. I believe there's one covering fleet changes of Stagecoach in Fife already.
Having said that, you'll still receive flak from other members about frequently asking similar or identical questions. I'm sure their comments are well-intentioned even if expressed a little clumsily.
 

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To be fair, could just be paint, there just de branded inside Seafield works.
Thing is, I remember hearing of LRT, when it was a council department, selling some Atlanteans from the JSC-E batch at around the 12-year mark in 1979. Usually, 15-16 years was the normal service life for a bus back then. Post-deregulation, it became 16-18 years, with some R-reg Atlanteans making it to 19 years old whilst a couple of V-regs managed to clock up 20 years of front line service.
 

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I think maybe it's something @GusB could help define if they were agreeable. I've often thought it would be helpful to split this thread into one for the Lothian network/services and a separate one for technical info on screws or bolts. The latter could be a 'thread for nuts', if you like.....
But seriously, vehicle specs, fleet changes, livery etc might deserve an area of their own, maybe for operators across south east Scotland if just Lothian is too narrow. I believe there's one covering fleet changes of Stagecoach in Fife already.
Having said that, you'll still receive flak from other members about frequently asking similar or identical questions. I'm sure their comments are well-intentioned even if expressed a little clumsily.
I can see some merit in having a separate thread for fleet movements etc., but as pointed out by @OmniCity999 much of this information can be found elsewhere such as lvf.io (it would be helpful if someone could write a quick tutorial on how to run a query on this site, as it's not exactly intuitive).

I'd also like to point out that anyone can create a thread by clicking on "Post thread" in the Buses & Coaches home page, or by simply typing in the field marked "Thread title" at the top of the list. I don't want people to feel that they need permission to post a new thread - if it's a sensible enough idea there's no problem.
 

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Debranded to what extent? Just fleetnumbers and logos or is it all the gold strips aswell?
All Vinyl including legals removed with plates covered. Was moving one of the Routemasters back to Marine so only just caught a glimpse of them as i passed.

But this is the sort of behaviour that is both carried out when a vehicle is being sold or being prepped for paint, although the latter isnt all that common.

@OmniCity999 much of this information can be found elsewhere such as lvf.io (it would be helpful if someone could write a quick tutorial on how to run a query on this site, as it's not exactly intuitive).


LVF / Findlay Smith Tutorial currently being written. Stand by. Could Mod (@GusB if you're still online) make this a separate post once written, if it merges?




LVF.io - This website shows real time stop to stop and historical tracking per vehicle. It can be used for a range of different things, but i'm just going to point out the basics.

www.lvi.io > in the search field type "mode lrt" (without speech marks) > to search a vehicles History, type History XXX

(XXX being the chosen fleet number - short form numbers such as 65 should be typed as such and longer form such as 1125 as such. Three digit numbers should be typed as their three digit number e.g 334. I say this as numbers are often quoted as 0065 etc)

Registration plates can also be searched for example LB10BUS will show the history usage of 20950.

Searches can be conducted using service numbers, for example "history 113" will show all buses used on service 113 since lvf.io records began.

If you need to search for for example bus 6's history and not route 6, you need to obtain it's registration plate. These can be obtained by the many fleet-lists available online, Bus Lists on the Web, Flickr, or even Google.

More information can be found on the LVF help page. If unsure, just play around, it's not going to break.



Finlay Smith - This website shows real time live tracking of services overlaid on Google Maps. (Named after the person who created it at UNI)

Finlay Smith Tracking - Goto site > search by fleet number. You can also search by field for example 65-95 and it will show all 30 eVoRa's in real time.

You can also search by fleet, brand or service number (handy).

Buses shown off the coast of Ghana have their trackers turned off or the system cant trace them so puts them into this map safe zone. Certain buses have different safe zones so may show up elsewhere.



*The Motorcoaches fleet is not shown on either tracking service as their trackers are set to private for company eyes only. This wont change. Also, buses dont have "names" in the Lothian fleet and as such cannot be searched in this way.
 
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LVF / Findlay Smith Tutorial currently being written. Stand by. Could Mod (@GusB if you're still online) make this a separate post once written, if it merges?
I'll leave your post as it is, but I've separated the content into a new thread and made it sticky so that it doesn't disappear into the void. Thanks for posting this - I may have a play around with the site at some point.
 

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I'll leave your post as it is, but I've separated the content into a new thread and made it sticky so that it doesn't disappear into the void. Thanks for posting this - I may have a play around with the site at some point.
Thank you, much appreciated!
 

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Debranded to what extent? Just fleetnumbers and logos or is it all the gold strips aswell?
Now a total of eight B9’s lined up in the same condition (and same place) at Marine garage as the Eclipses sat pending sale.

Logos, fleet numbers, legals and adverts all removed. Destination equipment may also have been taken out (hard to tell in the dark!).
 
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Searches can be conducted using service numbers, for example "history 113" will show all buses used on service 113 since lvf.io records began.

If you need to search for for example bus 6's history and not route 6, you need to obtain it's registration plate. These can be obtained by the many fleet-lists available online, Bus Lists on the Web, Flickr, or even Google.
This isn't quite correct.
Using history will limit the results to no earlier than 01/01/2018. If you want to view results from earlier than that you need to use fullhist instead.

The second part isn't quite correct in that it isn't mandatory to have the registration.
The way I think about it is if you just put in a number (eg. 36) then it'll show the route (in this case it would show all vehicles currently being used on route 36, and those which have previously been used on the route today. To view a different day (where you want one day in particular) use eg. history 36 15-01-2021 15-01-2021. This shows a list of the vehicles which were used on route 36 between the start of the day on the 15th of January and the end of the day on the 15th of January).

If you put in "LRT " and then a number, then it shows you the vehicle/s with that/those fleetnumbers (eg. LRT 20 would show details for vehicle 20). This also accepts ranges, so you can do e.g. LRT 1063-1140 to see the details of all the XLBs. While on this page, if you click the registration plate of a vehicle it will show you the estimated time that that vehicle will reach the next stops on its current route.

Another command I use a lot is Rare, which shows all vehicles operating a route which haven't not operated that particular route for the past two months.

I think it's worth noting that right now (as of 0839) the LVF.io datastream doesn't seem to be working. So you can still see historical data, but not live data.

Edit at 1750: corrected spelling errors.
 
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Bustimes, finlaysmith and tfeapp.com/live have the data fine.
Lvf.io and TFE app are not working so perhaps a data feed issue.
 

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Everything is tracking perfectly fine on Bustimes.org...

If correct, only 11 7900s are out right now (two seem to have come off over the morning). Wonder what's in store for them with such low usage lately?
 

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If correct, only 11 7900s are out right now (two seem to have come off over the morning). Wonder what's in store for them with such low usage lately?
I reckon they’ll be used more once these restrictions are eased. For now probably just rotate them around on a daily basis so that they’re out roughly every few days.
 

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Its been a while since I have commented on the thread, so if this has recently been posted I must apologise.

Does anyone know if the plan to revise the number of bus stops along the routes are still going ahead as planned under the pilot? If I remember correctly it was going to be trialed against number 44.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman....al-scheme-cut-journey-times-edinburgh-1888213

https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s14505/Item 7.2 - Public Transport Priority Action Plan - Bus Stop Spacing Review Trial.pdf

Not at all Gavin, looks like i’ll be the one who actually responds to you first ;)

to be honest I haven’t heard news about it since last year, I don’t know if they will but if they do I wonder if it will effect other routes?

the 44 is the only key Lothian route along Balerno/Currie so limiting the stops there might cause some outroar, the 45 is suspended again anyway and only runs Monday to Friday so it’s not exactly an ideal subsitition.

Along the East corridor won’t be so bad as the 113 practically covers the same route from Abbeyhill-Musselburgh
 

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This isn't quite correct.
Using history will limit the results to no earlier than 01/01/2018. If you want to view results from earlier than that you need to use fullhist instead.

The second part isn't quite current in that it isn't mandatory to have the registration.
The way I think about it is if you just put in a number (eg. 36) then it'll show the route (in this case it would show all vehicles currently being used on route 36, and those which have previously been used on the route today. To view a different day (where you want one day in particular) use eg. history 36 15-01-2021 15-01-2021. This shows a list of the vehicles which were used on route 36 between the start of the day on the 15th of January and the end of the day on the 15th of January).

If you put in "LRT " and then a number, then it shows you the vehicle/s with that/those fleetnumbers (eg. LRT 20 would show details for vehicle 20). This also accepts ranges, so you can do e.g. LRT 1063-1140 to see the details of all the XLBs. While on this page, if you click the registration plate of a vehicle it will show you the estimated time that that vehicle will reach the next stops on its current route.

Another command I use a lot is Rare, which shows all vehicles operating a route which hasn't not operated that particular route for the past two months.

I think it's worth noting that right now (as of 0839) the LVF.io datastream doesn't seem to be working. So you can still see historical data, but not live data.
Could you make these changes in the lvf thread on the buses and coaches forum? Would be useful to have there too.

Its been a while since I have commented on the thread, so if this has recently been posted I must apologise.

Does anyone know if the plan to revise the number of bus stops along the routes are still going ahead as planned under the pilot? If I remember correctly it was going to be trialed against number 44.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman....al-scheme-cut-journey-times-edinburgh-1888213

https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s14505/Item 7.2 - Public Transport Priority Action Plan - Bus Stop Spacing Review Trial.pdf
Believe its been paused due to Covid.

Even then it was only between Musselburgh and the City and and Haymarket and Slateford.
 

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I've unlocked the lvf.io thread for any changes to be added
 
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Could you make these changes in the lvf thread on the buses and coaches forum? Would be useful to have there too.

I've unlocked the lvf.io thread for any changes to be added
I've added the relevant parts of my post to that thread. :)
I can write a more in-depth tutorial if anyone is interested, but I'll wait until I'm at a computer instead of trying to type it on my phone.
 

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