I presume when the contract for IET was priced, part of the calculation was a statistical analysis for the probability of events such as this, and this risk factored into the price offered.
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Entire 800/801/802 fleet stood down for safety checks
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I presume when the contract for IET was priced, part of the calculation was a statistical analysis for the probability of events such as this, and this risk factored into the price offered.
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1 x 9car 801 has been found with the issue, where as 11 of the 800/1s have the fault
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I just wanted to give my thanks to GWR staff who may read this. I had been hesitant, but I decided 'challenge accepted' and thanks to our good friend the 387, mission accomplished. For those of you heading further west than Didcot the options don't look great I'm afraid, but there are a few 80x's on duty now by the looks of it. From a selfish point of view, and I appreciate this might not be a popular opinion on here, I hope that if this becomes a longer term problem that a way is found to send the 387s west of Didcot rather than blocking up the lines with slow 47/57s.
Sleepy
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So what is happening on the ground tonight, say you rolled up at Paddington booked on 1803 with no prior knowledge of the disruption ? As your stranded will GWR provide overnight accommodation as per NCC ? Get you to Bristol & provide a taxi ? Or tell you make your own arrangements & send them bill ?
If someone was planning a long distance journey such as that and hadn't checked anything at all prior to travelling they are completely irresponsible. That goes for any day.
Class800
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rightly or wrongly, I believe as GWR gave a 'code black' do not travel instruction on their website, their obligations are absolved. Because the conditions of carriage say onward travel 'where reasonably possible'
Is it? I don't think it's reasonable for Joe Public to obsessively check journeys, especially if you've already got a ticket/reservation in your possession.
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442,s or perhaps Strategic reserve anyone? (tongue still firmly in cheek)
Who said anything about obsessively checking? Wasn't me.
LNW-GW Joint
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Pistoia assembled the 802s (GWR/HT/TPE) from the same components as would have been used at Newton Aycliffe or Kasado.
They didn't assemble any of the 800/801s (the GWR/LNER IEP fleets).
I like to think I'm pretty clued up, and I've turned up at a station before to find out "oh, there's disruption". People have busy lives.
Anonymous10
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what has to be bore in mind is that this was on news headlines on all radio and tv stations to my knowledge id expect gwr to pay towards accomodation or onward travel but not cover it all and that just for the publicity
Bletchleyite
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Same here.
Anonymous10
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I've seen it with getting across my small town i check yes train is running leave work 10 mins later oh its delayed or the like due to train fault or got on one and it just refused to start
Failed Unit
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Thanks. I was hoping that LNER might get away with the 801s Keeping the show on the road. Saying that today’s service was not bad considering by the afternoon. 1. Edinburgh and 1. Leeds kept people moving.
Personally, I've gone weeks without looking at the news. Last year: "What's this virus everyone keeps worrying about? Ooh, eck, getting pretty serious".
Peter Sarf
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Hmm. Not much good for older folk that are not computer literate. Good job the BBC did not get rid of their text service although I have noticed it get terribly out of date. Plus if you are waiting to return home you are less likely to check as fairly futile unless accommodation can be hung on to.
I suppose there might still be more chance for LNER as their 80Xs are newer tan GWRs 800s.
This editing to add further replies to an existing post gets things into a mess. The last chunk above is my reply to @Ianno87 and nothing to do with @Failed Unit !.
To add the ITV news referred to "Class 800 locomotives", not seen any of them yet !.
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Anonymous10
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granted but it does dramatically bring up amount of people who may have heard about it via listening to stations such as heart or radio 1 ext then hearing it in passing then going guess i shouldn't go by train then
The units affected were the first units introduced by lner, so have done more milage, wether that is a factor, and the 801s will suffer in several months time, we'll, who knows
Most people would hear that on a car radio, and if you live in London you're quite liKelly not to own one!
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Scotrails Hitachi class 385s are being checked today as well. Nothing found so far but if there is you might see HSTs stepping in.
It happens. I booked on for work before 5am. At that time there's no customer service station staff on duty so as I was making my way in from the car park a man approached and asked if I could help - at 0441 he received an email from the Trainline just about half an hour before the departure of his connecting train when he was already at the station saying that it was cancelled. I was early so had a look at what I could for him before booking on and advised him on alternate arrangements only to find that LNER were cancelling all of their trains in drips and drabs.
In the end I managed to get him sorted as as it happens he was travelling on my train anyway but if this was known about already it was poorly handled for those on early morning trains - the advice being issued by the auto emails was to travel on trains that a few minutes later were also being cancelled.
In the end I managed to get him sorted as as it happens he was travelling on my train anyway but if this was known about already it was poorly handled for those on early morning trains - the advice being issued by the auto emails was to travel on trains that a few minutes later were also being cancelled.
Anonymous10
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granted but alot of people have radio on in kitchen or the like when getting stuff ready in morning or at least thats common up west
Fail to provide a unit for a service = penalty and for the day = big penalty. For the IEP fleet alone (800/801) today alone will have cost them a minimum of upper hundreds of thousands in penalties depending on quite what they managed to get out and when and most likely over a million. This is going to be very expensive.
Pretty respectable, if they can deliver it.
Are they hiring in the 90 from LS?
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The DFT will have to get moving now to come up with a longer term solution while these trains are out of service for remedial work. The obvious answer is to bring back a few stored HST’s, but the non-compliance issue will probably prevent that happening? I wonder what the DFT will come up with?
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