EMR Class 360's

[Merle Haggard]

Sets now failed in Corby Station so unless they're resurrected that's that unfortunately!

Yes, Open Train Times shows first train - 11.21 ex Corby - cancelled 'M8', rest of the day trains to and from Corby cancelled 'Y1'.

Teething troubles...

 

[Domh245]

That’s interesting. So exactly the same situation as the 360s, yet no additional signage.

I guess the slight difference is that the GTR drivers would/should have only ever driven at up to 100mph with their existing stock, whilst EMR drivers are used to buzzing along at 125mph. Not sure it washes entirely, but it seems easier to say to someone who's never been past 100mph (and trained in route and traction knowledge accordingly) not to exceed it, vs someone who's been routinely going faster than that

 

[LowLevel]

Done a reboot and they're now working again

 

[swt_passenger]

I guess the slight difference is that the GTR drivers would/should have only ever driven at up to 100mph with their existing stock, whilst EMR drivers are used to buzzing along at 125mph. Not sure it washes entirely, but it seems easier to say to someone who's never been past 100mph (and trained in route and traction knowledge accordingly) not to exceed it, vs someone who's been routinely going faster than that

Wasn’t it also suggested at one point that the existing mixed stock types used on the GN meant there was no need for 110 mph running anyway?

 

[edwin_m]

That’s interesting. So exactly the same situation as the 360s, yet no additional signage.

Perhaps because the 360s can exceed 100mph north of Bedford, whereas the GN units were restricted for their entire journeys.

 

[43066]

I guess the slight difference is that the GTR drivers would/should have only ever driven at up to 100mph with their existing stock, whilst EMR drivers are used to buzzing along at 125mph. Not sure it washes entirely, but it seems easier to say to someone who's never been past 100mph (and trained in route and traction knowledge accordingly) not to exceed it, vs someone who's been routinely going faster than that

That’s a good point and probably the best justification for it I’ve heard.

It doesn’t wash entirely because there are many other situations where mixed traction drivers have to remember which stock they’re driving in order not to overspeed e.g. when driving to HST and SP differentials.

Then again I don’t suppose anyone will object to a handy reminder!

 

[Ianno87]

I guess the slight difference is that the GTR drivers would/should have only ever driven at up to 100mph with their existing stock, whilst EMR drivers are used to buzzing along at 125mph. Not sure it washes entirely, but it seems easier to say to someone who's never been past 100mph (and trained in route and traction knowledge accordingly) not to exceed it, vs someone who's been routinely going faster than that

That’s a good point and probably the best justification for it I’ve heard.

It doesn’t wash entirely because there are many other situations where mixed traction drivers have to remember which stock they’re driving in order not to overspeed e.g. when driving to HST and SP differentials.

Then again I don’t suppose anyone will object to a handy reminder!

Agree. A good point. It may have been insisted on by EMR themselves from a driveability perspective.

 

[St. Paddy]

I guess the slight difference is that the GTR drivers would/should have only ever driven at up to 100mph with their existing stock, whilst EMR drivers are used to buzzing along at 125mph. Not sure it washes entirely, but it seems easier to say to someone who's never been past 100mph (and trained in route and traction knowledge accordingly) not to exceed it, vs someone who's been routinely going faster than that

Some of us used to sign HSTs back in the day

 

[43102EMR]

A few minor on-board differences as shown in the photos, but otherwise the interior is still the same - the automated announcements have also been modified for EMR, including advertising connections north of Kettering.

 

[JonathanH]

A few minor on-board differences as shown in the photos, but otherwise the interior is still the same - the automated announcements have also been modified for EMR, including advertising connections north of Kettering.

There is a rogue First Group moquette covered seating squab in the third photograph.

 

[londonteacher]

A few minor on-board differences as shown in the photos, but otherwise the interior is still the same - the automated announcements have also been modified for EMR, including advertising connections north of Kettering.

It's strange Watford Junction is mentioned at Bedford. If you're going to say that you might as well say WCML destinations.

 

[weastebusdepot]

There is a rogue First Group moquette covered seating squab in the third photograph.

There are a few of those that have worked there way onto the 360s in different places. Might be more of a challenge to find a unit that *doesn't* have one!

 

[Old DMU]

Today's 8 car 08.48 Electric 360 shuttle from Corby to Kettering before May 16th. regular timetable. with old 1st. class lettering sort of washed out. A bit of station platform paintwork going on too with lower part of lamp posts it appears having received a purple EMR band.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Today's 8 car 08.48 Electric 360 shuttle from Corby to Kettering before May 16th. regular timetable. with 1st. class lettering sort of washed out

It's where the sticker has been removed and the colour under the sticker hasn't faded like the rest of the train.

Nice shots there by the way.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Interestingly, or not, NRES is offering a Corby - Kettering first class fare on the 08.48 tomorrow.

 

[59CosG95]

Are any 360s out and about on Corby runs today?

 

[43102EMR]

Are any 360s out and about on Corby runs today?

Not sure - there are a few drags to/from Northampton today though

 

[43055]

Are any 360s out and about on Corby runs today?

Doesn't look like it. The paths in RTT for the rest of the week from Kettering sidings all head/come from south end of the MML.

 

[Aictos]

I don't know what unit it was as I wasn't in a position to see the unit number but there was a Class 360 running today that was in debranded Greater Anglia blue with EMR Connect in white text on the sides of the unit.

 

[DG85]

I don't know what unit it was as I wasn't in a position to see the unit number but there was a Class 360 running today that was in debranded Greater Anglia blue with EMR Connect in white text on the sides of the unit.

There’s quite a few in the blue EMR connect now and they’re running training units as they still have quite a few drivers to get through.

No, it’s just the right fleet size. 6 sets needed for a 30 min interval service, originally planned to be 12 car sets. That needs 18 units, with maintenance cover 21 is the ideal fleet size.

This will hopefully help make the refurbishment/repaint programme quicker when that finally takes place.

 

[Mikey C]

No, it’s just the right fleet size. 6 sets needed for a 30 min interval service, originally planned to be 12 car sets. That needs 18 units, with maintenance cover 21 is the ideal fleet size.

It's still a generous fleet, partially due to it being decided at a time when commuter numbers were expected to keep rising, but also I imagine down to the number of Class 360s available.

It would be pointless taking 19, and leaving 2 behind, but if the Greater Anglia fleet had only been 19 units, they would have happily run the service with 19 units, and run some less busy services with 8 cars!

 

[Jim-s]

I have been out on the great eastern today for the first time in a while and have missed hearing the noises of a 360 pulling away from a station, hope you all enjoy them around there new grounds
Interested in tracking them down when possible for a ride after the upgrade

 

[Wolfie]

I have been out on the great eastern today for the first time in a while and have missed hearing the noises of a 360 pulling away from a station, hope you all enjoy them around there new grounds
Interested in tracking them down when possible for a ride after the upgrade

I imagine that they sound identical to a 350 and not dissimilar to the third rail 450s.

 

[43102EMR]

I imagine that the sound identical to a 350 and not dissimilar to the third rail 450s.

Slightly different sound on a 450 - more low pitched at lower speeds, but when accelerating it’s more high pitched than the AC Desiros.

 

[Jim-s]

I imagine that the sound identical to a 350 and not dissimilar to the third rail 450s.

That’s the sound, used to live near the line and i could hear it from home as load as a 12 car 321 pulling out and a 90 passing thru

Slightly different sound on a 450 - more low pitched at lower speeds, but when accelerating it’s more high pitched than the AC Desiros.

My comparison was YouTube only for hearing the 450 but that’s the general sound, thought it was a kind of warning siren when I first herd it

 

[Wolfie]

Slightly different sound on a 450 - more low pitched at lower speeds, but when accelerating it’s more high pitched than the AC Desiros.

Interesting, TY. Is that due to operating on DC or perhaps the power restrictions? I've actually used all three classes and didn't notice much difference but truthfully wasn't listening hard.

 

[43102EMR]

Interesting, TY. Is that due to operating on DC or perhaps the power restrictions? I've actually used all three classes and didn't notice much difference but truthfully wasn't listening hard.

No worries, and will be down to DC. When some 350s were subleased to Southern on the East Croydon - MKC services, they made a similar sound to the 450s on DC.

 

[Wolfie]

No worries, and will be down to DC. When some 350s were subleased to Southern on the East Croydon - MKC services, they made a similar sound to the 450s on DC.

Very informative. Much appreciated.

 

[swt_passenger]

Very informative. Much appreciated.

The long explanation is that the switching frequencies in the inverter used to produce the varying 3 phase traction drive voltages are set up differently when running in AC or DC areas, it’s to prevent the various harmonic frequencies causing interference with other trackside equipment.

 

[Wolfie]

The long explanation is that the switching frequencies in the inverter used to produce the varying 3 phase traction drive voltages are set up differently when running in AC or DC areas, it’s to prevent the various harmonic frequencies causing interference with other trackside equipment.

Is that done automatically by software (eg when class 350s were running East Croydon to Milton Keynes)?