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cnjb8

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So are MCV no longer building UK EvoSetis?
They will be on the Volvo B5LH and B8L.
Other than Lothian did anyone else buy Volvo B5TLs in the last few years? Dublin have switched to ADL, London has gone electric and presumably Lothian will move away from pure Diesel in the next few years.
Bus Eireann and Dublin Bus have their orders placed by the NTA in Ireland. They were purchasing a load of B5TLs up until recently as you mention
I wonder if Volvo is developing a fully electric decker chassis? They produce electric single deckers, and ADL-BYD seems to have near monopolized the EV decker segment.
There was mention of it a few years ago, as did Yutong.

Also something to note, W752DOE, which had the second to last Olympian chassis has been scrapped. New as 00-D-64065
 
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They will be on the Volvo B5LH and B8L.
So volvo ARE still offering a 2 axle double deck bus in the UK. Why remove it from the website then?
Excluding two random examples delivered to London United in February 2020 the last B5LHs built were in August 2019 so it's probably safe to assume it is being discontinued. Although some were built the B5LH never really took off outside the London market and with London moving to EVs only it really can't come as much surprise.

Likewise with the B5TL sales really took a hit once it came out that multiple operators were having severe issues with the engines failing structurally. I've said it before but Volvo really should've offered the BxTL chassis with the D8K engine as a "B8TL" instead.
 

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ADL-BYD seems to have near monopolized the EV decker segment.
That's not entirely surprising, given the main customer of them so far outside London has been Stagecoach, and they buy a lot from ADL, so given ADL offer a suitable product it seems logical that they'd buy it! (I happen to really like the E400-EV)

Wright are now advertising a battery electric StreetDeck, though I assume they don't have any orders for it as yet. And there is of course the electric MetroDecker. Do BYD or Yutong to anything on their own?
 

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That's not entirely surprising, given the main customer of them so far outside London has been Stagecoach, and they buy a lot from ADL, so given ADL offer a suitable product it seems logical that they'd buy it! (I happen to really like the E400-EV)

Wright are now advertising a battery electric StreetDeck, though I assume they don't have any orders for it as yet. And there is of course the electric MetroDecker. Do BYD or Yutong to anything on their own?
Yutong have made electric deckers for Singapore
 

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There's no sign of it on the Optare website now; it's only the Metrocity and Solo that are showing there. It's only on the Switch Mobility site, which is electric vehicles only.

RouteOne has this article which helps explain the difference between Switch and Optare. https://www.route-one.net/news/switch-mobility-sets-out-aims-makes-leadership-appointments/

Switch Mobility – which has taken on elements of the Optare business – has announced its formal launch.

It will combine the electric commercial vehicle operations of Ashok Leyland and Optare “to secure a leading global position in net zero buses and light commercial vehicles,” and continues to be backed by the Hinduja Group.

So Optare = Diesel, and Switch = EV, Hydgogen etc. The factory has Switch as its formal name, so does this mean that no diesel buses are being made there?

Reading is also trialling a BYD/E400 EV as part of its ZEBRA bid (Zero Emission Bus Regional Area scheme) according to RouteOne https://www.route-one.net/news/reading-trial-for-byd-adl-enviro400ev-as-zebra-bid-is-go/ . No chance for Optare (sorry, Switch) then, given their bad experience with the diesel deckers for Green Line.

Reading Buses has commenced a trial of a battery-electric BYD ADL Enviro400EV demonstrator. It will be underway between 9-18 July and see the bus used on the Purple 17 route between Tilehurst and Wokingham Road.

Assessment of the vehicle in the Thames Valley town comes as Reading Borough Council submits an expression of interest to the £120m Zero Emission Bus Regional Areas scheme, with the support of the municipally owned operator. Reading Buses says that if the bid is successful, its first orders for zero-emission vehicles part-funded by the scheme “could be placed in 2022/23.”

Adds CEO Robert Williams: “Technology is reaching a point where we can see that some urban services could be converted to battery-electric vehicles in the near future. We are teaming up with BYD and Alexander Dennis to give their latest London-specification double-decker a try to gather as much real-life data as possible from running the bus in Reading.

“We tried their [battery-electric] single-decker on the Winnersh Triangle park-and-ride service in 2019.”

Mr Williams adds that Reading Buses will be encouraging customer feedback on the layout of the Enviro400EV, which differs to the Scania ADL Enviro400CBG double-deckers that the Purple 17 is usually operated with to take account of battery placement.
 
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€2.4m for three hydrogen buses in drive for clean fuel

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0713/1234927-hydrogen-bus-launch/

€2.4m for three hydrogen buses in drive for clean fuel​

Updated / Tuesday, 13 Jul 2021 21:16

Transport Minister, Eamon Ryan, NTA CEO, Anne Graham and Chief Executive of Bus Éireann, Stephen Kent, at the launch today

Transport Minister, Eamon Ryan, NTA CEO, Anne Graham and Chief Executive of Bus Éireann, Stephen Kent, at the launch today
By George Lee
Environment and Science Correspondent

Three of the world's first double-decker hydrogen fuel-cell-electric buses will be brought into service on one of Dublin's public transport routes from next week.

Built by Wrightbus near Ballymena in Co Antrim, the buses cost €800,000 each and will operate on Bus Éireann services between Dublin and Ratoath, Co Meath.

Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan said reducing carbon emissions is critical to reaching our climate goals and will also improve air quality.

The three buses, launched by the National Transport Authority (NTA) in conjunction with Bus Éireann, are probably the most expensive buses that will ever go into public service in Ireland.

It cost the NTA €2.4 million to buy the three vehicles. There are only 4,200 hydrogen buses world-wide and very few are double-deckers like these.

Hydrogen-fuelled buses are, in effect, electric buses.

But instead of having to charge them by plugging into the electricity network, they use a hydrogen fuel cell to generate their own electricity while in transit which is then stored in on-board batteries.

That way they can keep going for up to 400km, operating silently. Water is all that comes of the tail pipe and refueling with hydrogen only takes minutes.



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NTA Chief Executive Anne Graham said the buses are being introduced on a pilot basis.

The plan is to closely monitor how they operate to learn as much as possible about where and how they can be best used and examine how operational and carbon savings can be best made.

These buses will initially be supplied with highly pressurised green hydrogen produced by BOC Gases Ireland in its electrolyser at Bluebell on the Naas Road in Dublin.

This is where the buses will have to travel each time they need to refuel. It is anticipated that a dedicated full pressure hydrogen refuelling station will follow at Bus Éireann but there is no known timeline for that yet.

Bus Éireann has already trained 15 of its drivers to operate the new buses and is embarking on a transformation process for its 300-strong engineering workforce.

It is working to introduce the necessary skills and infrastructure at its 17 depots to move from an entirely diesel-fuelled internal combustion engine fleet of 1,170 vehicles to one with a mix of zero and low emission buses.

It is conservatively estimated that each of the new hydrogen buses will cover more than 100,000km per annum. Each will carry up to 63,000 people in their first year of operation and this will increase over time.

Based on experience with hydrogen buses in Aberdeen, Scotland, one can expect that about 170,000kg of CO2 emissions will be saved for every 100,000km these buses travel.

That is the equivalent to the emissions savings that would be made by taking 42 cars off the road for a year.

Minister Ryan said: "Other technologies such as battery-electric, are very well suited to bus services in urban areas.

"But on longer commuter and inter-urban routes, hydrogen fuel cell technology is an innovative zero pipe emission alternative to diesel.

"I'm especially pleased that the Wrightbus Streetdeck, the first such bus in the world, is assembled in Northern Ireland and that Bus Éireann is piloting these buses on their commuter route between Dublin and Ratoath."
 
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What's with the fronts?

Can't be economical or useful for Wright to offer different styles like that.

I think Dublin has kept using the old style front (which was replaced about 6 years ago) on its deliveries, presumably as it was easier for spares. I guess they wanted these the same so Wrightbus dug out some old design ones for them.

However I think the 211 registration ended 30th June so must be not brand new, but at least 2 weeks old
 

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I think Dublin has kept using the old style front (which was replaced about 6 years ago) on its deliveries, presumably as it was easier for spares. I guess they wanted these the same so Wrightbus dug out some old design ones for them.

However I think the 211 registration ended 30th June so must be not brand new, but at least 2 weeks old
Dublin Buses have their fleet ordered by the National Transport Authority (NTA) in Ireland, as do Bus Eireann. They specify them with this front. They are for route 103 out of Broadstone by Bus Eireann.
 
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Dublin Buses have their fleet ordered by the NTA in Ireland, as do Bus Eireann. They specify them with this front. They are for route 103 out of Broadstone by Bus Eireann.

It's correct that the National Transport Authority (NTA) order the vehicles for about a decade now, However Dublin Bus have always been big on standardisation.

They had their first batch of Gemini's built in 2008 with a similar layout and specification to an ALX400 / Enviro 400 including bench seats. When the next batch were delivered in 2012, whilst they had double doors, they wanted the original Gemini model rather than the facelifted Gemini 2 for standardisation reasons. They also requested the same seats as were used in the Enviro 500s in 2005, most commonly known as the 'Scania Seat' which to my knowledge, has never been used in any other Wright Bus product. This seat is still the seat of choice 17 years after it first started being used.

Bus Eireann on the other hand have generally have embraced change far more,. They've been fans of bonded vs gasket glazing more, have been happy to change seat in their vehicles as time has gone on and were happy to embrace the newer front. I think it's safe to say that they generally have always been less conservative with making changes from one generation to another.

From what I have heard ith these vehicles, it's a case of the NTA deciding that with about 800 vehicles in the fleets operated by those who operate such vehicles having the same bodywork, it's probably better to have some parts commonality with other vehicles, especially when they are a micro fleet.

There has been some chatter that these vehicles were originally for Dublin Bus and a rumour that they were built quite some time ago but they had been severely delayed by the collapse of Wrightbus.
 
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I think Dublin has kept using the old style front (which was replaced about 6 years ago) on its deliveries, presumably as it was easier for spares. I guess they wanted these the same so Wrightbus dug out some old design ones for them.

However I think the 211 registration ended 30th June so must be not brand new, but at least 2 weeks old
In my dream world an operator would also insist on a Gemini 2 style body instead of the far worse (for passengers) Gemini 3/Streetdeck style...

Wrightbus have updated their website with a revised product line up, the new single decker is called the GB Hawk. - https://www.wrightbus.com

Full product line up:
Streetlite Ultroliner
GB Hawk
Streetdeck Ultroliner (Diesel)
Streetdeck Electroliner (Battery Electric)
Streetdeck Hydroliner (Fuel Cell Electric)

The website also confirms that the Hawk and Streetdeck are offered with both the OM934 and OM936 engines.
Just catching up with this thread, but that GB Hawk name is bizarre, weird to choose a name which is completely at odds with their current Street*** naming scheme.

Surely they could have called it Streetsomething for consistency?
 

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In my dream world an operator would also insist on a Gemini 2 style body instead of the far worse (for passengers) Gemini 3/Streetdeck style...


Just catching up with this thread, but that GB Hawk name is bizarre, weird to choose a name which is completely at odds with their current Street*** naming scheme.

Surely they could have called it Streetsomething for consistency?

Or better still, just keep using the Eclipse name!
 

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Volvo have now apparently discontinued the B5TL in the UK and Ireland.

Their sole double deck offering in these markets is now said to be the B8L which is a tri-axle chassis.

Volvo have removed any hint of a two axle double deck chassis from their UK website so that would concur with what I have heard.

So the final of the 98 B5TLs for Lothian (or more likely East Coast Buses for the last 8) will be the final B5TL built/delivered.

Shame they never offered a B8TL, always thought it odd that the larger engine(s) were standard on the single deck B7/B8RLE and not offered on DD.
 

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Just catching up with this thread, but that GB Hawk name is bizarre, weird to choose a name which is completely at odds with their current Street*** naming scheme.

Surely they could have called it Streetsomething for consistency?
The Wrightbus Hawk is mostly being marketed as a vehicle for rural areas since it has a heavy weight chassis, so the "Street" name wouldn't really make sense. The "GB" part of the name refers to it being of UK specification since Wrightbus do intend to offer it outside the UK.
 

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I'm a bit new to this side of it, who makes the power units for the Wrightbus chassis' on the new electric only and Hydrogen tech?
 

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So the final of the 98 B5TLs for Lothian (or more likely East Coast Buses for the last 8) will be the final B5TL built/delivered.

Shame they never offered a B8TL, always thought it odd that the larger engine(s) were standard on the single deck B7/B8RLE and not offered on DD.
I always thought it odd that they put a 5 litre engine in a double decker and didn't make a B8TL. Mechanically our B5TLs are fine, the cheap MCV bodywork is a different matter though
 

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I always thought it odd that they put a 5 litre engine in a double decker and didn't make a B8TL. Mechanically our B5TLs are fine, the cheap MCV bodywork is a different matter though

The pre-facelift Wright ones i've driven are fine - if a bit underpowered. The 'proper' Gemini 3s are awful too for build quality - haven't driven an E400 B5TL out on the road yet but they're very popular with drivers. Only had a quick go for type training and it seemed very solid.
 

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The pre-facelift Wright ones i've driven are fine - if a bit underpowered. The 'proper' Gemini 3s are awful too for build quality - haven't driven an E400 B5TL out on the road yet but they're very popular with drivers. Only had a quick go for type training and it seemed very solid.
We had a couple of ex demo Gemini 3s that are now at GNE and the build quality wasn't great on those. Previous management bought the first production Evoseti followed by 2 more batches because cheap.
 

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We had a couple of ex demo Gemini 3s that are now at GNE and the build quality wasn't great on those. Previous management bought the first production Evoseti followed by 2 more batches because cheap.
The ones GNE have always sound like they are in kickdown on the gearbox, loud is not the word, but that is more mechanical as opposed to build quality, they don't look too bad from the outside but I have yet to travel on one
 

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The ones GNE have always sound like they are in kickdown on the gearbox, loud is not the word, but that is more mechanical as opposed to build quality, they don't look too bad from the outside but I have yet to travel on one
Having travelled on the ones in London quite a bit the quality of finish internally isn't quite up to scratch, but they seem solid and rattle-free.
 

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I find the Evosetis fine inside. Much nicer upstairs than the Gemini 3, with their larger windows and bonded glazing giving more shoulder space.
 

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I find the Evosetis fine inside. Much nicer upstairs than the Gemini 3, with their larger windows and bonded glazing giving more shoulder space.
Yes I agree! The windows upstairs on the StreetDeck and Gemini 3 are way too small. Wasn’t it sommat to do with sunlight?
 

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Was it not to meet the London principally requirements for 85 passenger capacity ( which they were struggling to obtain) because of their weight.
 

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Just catching up with this thread, but that GB Hawk name is bizarre, weird to choose a name which is completely at odds with their current Street*** naming scheme.

Surely they could have called it Streetsomething for consistency?

The title tag of this web page is "Hybrid Vehicles: Wrightbus GB Condor, GB Hawk EU6 Diesel Bus", suggesting an as-yet-unannounced product will be called the Condor (not to be confused with the Dennis Condor or BMC Condor) and maybe other birds of prey will follow.
 

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Possibly the reason for the change in scheme is a desire to distance from the StreetLite, which as far as I can tell is almost universally disliked. Has Wright even had any StreetLite orders of late?
 

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