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There's a 0001 from Euston to Wolverhampton, among others.
AFAIK there hasn't been a later train to Wolverhampton than 23.30 for some years.
There's a 0001 from Euston to Wolverhampton, among others.
Ticket machines sell tickets for the new day from 0000 though.For ticketing purposes, one day ends at 0429 and the next starts at 0430
Indeed @najaB , as Day Return ticketing runs from approx 4am until 4am the following day ! So in that sense, it's (pendantically) the last train of the day.Pedantically, the last train to Brighton isn't at 00.02. Its the first train!
In railway terms it would be one of the last trains of the day.
But that's the point, no trains anywhere in the UK leave at 00.00!Unles sperhaps you are taking a trip to visit a friend called Georgia, and happen to be leaving at 00:00?
Well, none are timetabled to depart at 00:00. Of course, the "midnight train" might be one that arrives at 00:00.But that's the point, no trains anywhere in the UK leave at 00.00!
I was in Japan during the last World Cup, and the bar I was in advertised fixtures as, e.g. Tuesday 27:00 rather than Wednesday 03:00. Makes perfect sense in the same way since like a 1am train, patrons are far more likely to be "still up" than "getting up".In TPS we plan up to 23:59 and then if the train runs over midnight it becomes +1 00:00½ or +1 00:13:00 etc. I've seen 25:01:00 used on TfL systems.
I once had to spend most of the night on Wolverhampton station after having missed a connecting service, so I couldn't agree more!Nothing romantic about Wolverhampton
It's the older legacy systems that are the problem, not the newer ones.For many years the York Mail used to leave Crewe at 00.01 and - curiously - for some time the Down West Coast Postal was booked to leave at midnight (in pre high tech days this may have been less important). Though since the York Mail tended to use either 1B or 2B and the Postal used 2 there will have been a conflict at North Junction!
I wish I could remember which was which, but one of the three Paddington-Penzance trains (Postal, News and sleeper) was the Waker and another the Owl.
The Paddington - Penzance overnight has departed at various times over the years, but was always known (amongst the cranky bashers at least) as the "Down Midnight".
The corresponding Up service had / has a departure time from Plymouth (rather than origin time from Penzance) of shortly after midnight too, so that became the "Up Midnight".
Are these terms still used for these trains?
It is confusing for passengers as post-midnight trains are (or were) listed at the start of the timetable. I remember a sense of panic at Bradford Interchange a few years back thinking I was stranded when I couldn’t find the last train back to Leeds.In railway terms it would be one of the last trains of the day.
I've seen many caught out with say a Weds Only 00:02:00 freight departure from origin retimed to leave at 23:55:00 and forgetting it will now become a Tues Only service.
2225 was the TPO; 0030 was the Newspaper Train and the 0005 was the passenger/sleeper. I never heard the last referred to as the "Down Midnight" in the nine years I worked at Paddn. Some staff referred to it as the "Big Sleeper", a term transferred from the 0055 all-sleeping car train that ceased to run in the early 1970s (I think).I wish I could remember which was which, but one of the three Paddington-Penzance trains (Postal, News and sleeper) was the Waker and another the Owl.
If a train was booked to arrive WTT at 00:00:00 you would always go later to 00:01:00. This is splitting hairs really. If you really wanted to argue the point to the second then there are systems that would show you exact arrival.Are there any trains which, based on the previous hour's train's timetable, should arrive at 00.00? If it is scheduled to arrive at 23.59, but arrives late, say at 01.00, then there is a Delay Repay of over an hour. If the train is retimed to arrive at 00.01, then the same train would qualify for less Delay Repay
I can't remember that level of detail in TrainPlan. It took some memory to remember how you locked a reference time in, TPS uses a lock. TrainPlan you put the actual time in and it locked it at a given location. You could also put ?|23:50 and it would calculate your dwell up to 23:50 if you had another reference time. I miss that. "/" in the column was just a passing time.If I remember right TrainPlan used to change it for you, as long as it wouldn't lead to an impossible combination of days, such as an SX becoming SUNFSX. That used to confuse people when their say SO freight kept switching to a FO one because they were backtiming it. The FOCs would sometimes query it on their offer too, not having released what had happened. I can't remember what protim used to do.
The Cook's Continental Timetable used to say explicitly (when the BR timetable was silent on the subject) "Midnight arrivals are shown as 2400 [of the previous day] while departures are shown as 0000."The central line working timetable has trains arriving/departing at 2359, 2400 and 2401
Page 52 for example, Westbound M-Th
Depart Epping platform 2 at 23:45.5
Buckhurst Hill at 23:57.25
Woodford platform 2 at 24:00
Leytonstone arrival at 00:07.5
Metropolitan has a 24:00 departure from Chesham too
Page 95 on a Saturday
Page 93 has a 00:00 1/2 depature from Preston Road, Page 59 00:00 1/2 from Moor Park
It might, strictly speaking, be a nonsense however it is a generally accepted convention that 12am is midnight and 12pm is noon. If you want to split hairs like that then the clock should really run from 0 to 11.It's a nonsense and not helpful in any way. 12 am and pm can only be midnight, as it is both before and after noon.
Surpsied to see this hasn't been corrected on this forum, but the railway actually uses 28 hour overlapping days from 00:00 to 04:29. So it's quite legitimate to purchase a day return for tavel on the 00:01 and return in the afternoon. In fact it wouldn't be possible to purchase a ticket for the previous day after midnight, I've done this a couple of times.Indeed @najaB , as Day Return ticketing runs from approx 4am until 4am the following day ! So in that sense, it's (pendantically) the last train of the day.
Spending most of the night on Widnes* station didn't do Paul Simon any harm.I once had to spend most of the night on Wolverhampton station after having missed a connecting service, so I couldn't agree more!
The last time I saw a Manchester Metrolink working timetable it referred to post-midnight times as 24.xx, 25.xx, and 26.xx.In TPS we plan up to 23:59 and then if the train runs over midnight it becomes +1 00:00½ or +1 00:13:00 etc. I've seen 25:01:00 used on TfL systems.