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me123

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What an eegit.

I've always noticed that some Scotrail staff on the longer-distance routes (and probably many more elsewhere) use a distinctive and personal mark when doing this on a ticket; something deliberate like their initials. The benefits of this are that they know it's them that's checked the ticket (if they forget; and I wouldn't blame them if they did!), and because it's a deliberate mark it's much harder to pull a scam like the one above. Much better than just circling the date or putting a faint line on the ticket.
 
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I sometimes use a punch or the Scotrail crimps i have. They imprint SCOTRAIL into the ticket making it very hard to use the same ticket again. Othertimes i just use the anti fraud pens we get issued
 

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Also what about going off the platform to visit the shop/buffet/cash machine/get something from your car ?
I had a situation like this at Surbiton last weekend. I'd arrived at the station having just missed the 17:30 departure and thus had plenty of time for a cigarette break. However I also needed to use the lavatories first, which at Surbiton are located on the platforms themselves and beyond the barriers.
Knowing that the barriers would flip the "used" byte on my ticket when presented (Meaning I would only be able to pass them once) I spoke to the gateline assistant and said that I wanted to use the station facilities, leave to have a smoke, then return to catch my train.

The assistant was very helpful and (After inspecting my ticket) gave me a manual through the wide gate so that I could nip onto the platform, then manual'd me out again. When I returned to actually catch my train, I presented the ticket to the barrier and validated it without trouble. :)

this has become the norm on London Midland certainly. They only now seem to mark the ticket on the last leg of the journey and then usually they write the date on.
I've found at least one LM Guard to be very helpful in this regard. I was travelling on the return portion of an OPR from Liverpool LS to Euston, but because I was also stopping at Derby for a few weeks I needed to make a long break of journey at Tamworth.

Obviously, the Guard needed to mark my ticket to show that I'd used the validity between Liverpool and TAM which I was concerned would make resuming my journey difficult...But when the Guard came along, I explained my travel plans and that I would be resuming my journey after a long stay. He then initialled my ticket and wrote a note next to it stating something like "Used Liverpool-Tamworth only, xx/xx/2010" and I had no trouble at all resuming my return journey a few weeks later! 8-)

By the by, does anyone know why we've seen a complete phasing-out of the traditional Guards clip? I know that barriers don't play well if the ticket's been clipped on the magnetic strip...But the handling gear in those gates can easily handle a ticket with a clip on the top/bottom edges (Their design takes that into account) and I'd always thought that was one of the main reasons for the top/bottom edges of tickets being prominently printed orange...So that Guards had an easy to spot "target" to aim their clips at without damaging the mag-stripe. :)

I know that ball-points do alright for showing a ticket as possibly having been used, but a passenger can always say "My kid did that" or explain it some other way. Guards clips are harder to explain because of their clean cut (I doubt "I caught it with a pair of scissors" would quite cut the mustard, excuse the pun!) and different shapes of clips can easily be allocated to specific trains, working patterns or messrooms.
Even better would be an inkless clip that embosses the ticket with date, departure time from origin, headcode, and Guard number...A proper embosser would leave an impression that couldn't easily be eliminated without the aid of a 10+ton press (Not a common find in many people's toolboxes) and having a shaped clip to the side of the embossing would secure the status of the ticket even further! <D
 

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By the by, does anyone know why we've seen a complete phasing-out of the traditional Guards clip?

They still seem to be going strong in Lincolnshire. Three Northern journeys there in the last two weeks have produced three different clips - christmas tree, star & crescent
 

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Clippers are frowned upon as they leave a lot of little bits of paper that the cleaners find difficult to shift.
 

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They still seem to be going strong in Lincolnshire. Three Northern journeys there in the last two weeks have produced three different clips - christmas tree, star & crescent
I did get "dog" and "star" clips on my tickets last time I travelled between Preston and Blackpool South, but everywhere else seems to be using biros now. The latter makes no sense when permanent markers cost little more than pens, and the ink from markers soaks underneath the "Rail Settlement Plan" print on the ticket, making it impossible to erase the mark that the Guard has made. :?:

Clippers are frowned upon as they leave a lot of little bits of paper that the cleaners find difficult to shift.
Didn't most types of BR clip retain the clippings in a small recess that the Guard could empty out into a carriage bin on passing? :)
 

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Didn't most types of BR clip retain the clippings in a small recess that the Guard could empty out into a carriage bin on passing? :)

yea, a bit of flappy plastic that usually falls off within a week (having flipped open and emptied the bits all over the carriage at least twice before that!)
 

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yea, a bit of flappy plastic that usually falls off within a week (having flipped open and emptied the bits all over the carriage at least twice before that!)

Those were the later post privatisation stationery shop ones.

I use some proper traditional ex BR clippers, which are un-sprung and punch a number 5.
 

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Clippers are frowned upon as they leave a lot of little bits of paper that the cleaners find difficult to shift.

Tell me about it - certain TTIs are given cleaning duties! (Only point at which I wish I was paid!)

Certain TTIs have also been known to empty the butts of the clippers out a droplight!
 

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Had mine punched this morning with a heart (and valentine's day isn't for another 3 weeks!).

I'm sure it's the same conductor on East Coast that's always uses a heart shaped punch. Always raises a few smiles with the passengers. If it is the same guy, I remember him being generally very friendly and helpful.
 

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Maybe it was a subtle pick-up attempt? :lol:
You wouldn't have suggested that if you'd met me ! ! ! !
I'm sure it's the same conductor on East Coast that's always uses a heart shaped punch. Always raises a few smiles with the passengers. If it is the same guy, I remember him being generally very friendly and helpful.
Yep, that'll be the chap, working NCL-KGX today.
 

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I'd say the majority of my journeys see my ticket clipped or marked.

I've noticed some EMT guards have round stamps, but the ink seems to be very slow drying and wipes off without much effort. For example, putting the ticket back into a railcard wallet can sometimes remove most of the stamp, and a wipe with a finger or coat sleeve can virtually remove it all together (though there is still a noticeable ink stain).

As for ticket clippers, my personal favourite was an amazingly detailed Dragonfly that a Northern conductor once used. I actually saved the ticket until recently. I also had a rather dubious one on an EMT service once. I think it was mean't to be a bone, but the guard punched it through right on the edge of the ticket and it looked a little more *ehem* ... questionable!
 
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