EMR Class 360's

[Old DMU]

A quick passing through Eastleigh on my way back from the South Coast this afternoon showed an almost complete looking pair (360113/116) poking outside the paint shop. Nothing on RTT yet to suggest when they’ll be returning or when their replacements will be heading down to the works.

10 done, 11 to go.

The diagonal edges much better than the original picture put out by EMR and so much better than the old tired blue utilitarian paintwork. See your image and the two comparative photos below.

 

[Skymonster]

The diagonal edges much better than the original picture put out by EMR and so much better than the old tired blue utilitarian paintwork. See your image and the two comparative photos below.

EMR’s attempt to make them look more modern than they really are? Shame the same sort of attention hasn’t been expended on the interiors. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, but EMR / Abellio seem to think new paint and new staff uniforms are far more important than things that really matter to passengers.

 

[QSK19]

EMR’s attempt to make them look more modern than they really are? Shame the same sort of attention hasn’t been expended on the interiors. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, but EMR / Abellio seem to think new paint and new staff uniforms are far more important than things that really matter to passengers.

I hope the reason for delaying the internal refurbishment is because EMR wants to see how the Aurora seating works in real life and sort any snagging issues before rolling the seats out across the 360s and 170s. If so, we’ll see whether the delay ultimately paid off.

On another note, does anybody know why the destination displays haven’t been upgraded to LED whilst at Eastleigh? Or will that be done as part of the internal refurbishment?

 

[Domh245]

I hope the reason for delaying the internal refurbishment is because EMR wants to see how the Aurora seating works in real life and sort any snagging issues before rolling the seats out across the 360s and 170s. If so, we’ll see whether the delay ultimately paid off.

Given the 810s position as 'halo-stock' - you'd have thought the exact opposite would be the case, and they'd want to do the snagging on a 'lesser fleet'

On another note, does anybody know why the destination displays haven’t been upgraded to LED whilst at Eastleigh? Or will that be done as part of the internal refurbishment?

The external or internal ones, and were those a committed upgrade? In either case, (if it is done) I would expect it to be done as a part of the main refurbishment - Eastleigh was exclusively doing paint if I remember right. But I don't think any of the original desiros that have been through recent refurbishments have had their dot-matrix equipment replaced, only supplemented (occasionally!) by LCD screens in the vehicle

 

[fgwrich]

The external or internal ones, and were those a committed upgrade? In either case, (if it is done) I would expect it to be done as a part of the main refurbishment - Eastleigh was exclusively doing paint if I remember right. But I don't think any of the original desiros that have been through recent refurbishments have had their dot-matrix equipment replaced, only supplemented (occasionally!) by LCD screens in the vehicle

Nope, none of the SWR ones have been replaced. No real need, they do the job effectively enough - the external facing ones are flip dot display, the internal ones are Dot Matrix LED.

 

[43066]

On another note, does anybody know why the destination displays haven’t been upgraded to LED whilst at Eastleigh? Or will that be done as part of the internal refurbishment?

LED destination displays would be fairly low on anyone’s priority list, I should have thought. What’s there now works perfectly adequately and it’s not as if the stopping patterns vary that much!

 

[The_Train]

Anybody know which unit came out of Eastleigh today please?

 

[fgwrich]

Anybody know which unit came out of Eastleigh today please?

If it was just the one unit, then it will be 47739 + 360116. 113 is was close to being finished when I saw it at the weekend.

 

[The_Train]

If it was just the one unit, then it will be 47739 + 360116. 113 is was close to being finished when I saw it at the weekend.

Appreciate that, thanks Rich

 

[3973EXL]

STP 23/05 5Q80 0930 Cricklewood - Eastleigh Works
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04440/2022-05-23/detailed

STP 23/05 5Q81 1558 Eastleigh Works - Cricklewood
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04441/2022-05-23/detailed

 

[DannyMich2018]

Had my first ever journey earlier- short hop from Kett to Wellingborough. Was 360118 and 119. I agree what people say about the interiors, the floor carpet was very stained and seats not great condition, however the worst thing I noticed was how loud the air con is!!

 

[43066]

however the worst thing I noticed was how loud the air con is!!

To be fair that’s standard for Desiros, so I’m afraid it won’t be changing, even following refurbishment!

 

[MML]

Some units are worse than others. In some the air con unit causes a very noisy vibration whereas others do not, so I think there is scope for remedial action if and when heavy maintenance is underway.

 

[43066]

Some units are worse than others. In some the air con unit causes a very noisy vibration whereas others do not, so I think there is scope for remedial action if and when heavy maintenance is underway.

If you’re sitting close to the cab the train is being driven from you might be able to hear the cab a/c compressor, which is very loud and causes terrible vibration.

 

[Mikw]

If you’re sitting close to the cab the train is being driven from you might be able to hear the cab a/c compressor, which is very loud and causes terrible vibration.

Isn't that where the declassified first class is?

I agree the air con is loud but it does work well. Always wondered why it switches off for 30 seconds or so every now and then? (Always relieved when it comes back on as i remember a trip on a Turbostar once when the air con packed in, it was awful

 

[swt_passenger]

Isn't that where the declassified first class is?

I agree the air con is loud but it does work well. Always wondered why it switches off for 30 seconds or so every now and then? (Always relieved when it comes back on as i remember a trip on a Turbostar once when the air con packed in, it was awful

I think from earlier discussions the air con goes off on AC Desiros for around 30 secs at each OHLE neutral section the train passes through.

 

[43066]

Isn't that where the declassified first class is?

That’s it.

I agree the air con is loud but it does work well. Always wondered why it switches off for 30 seconds or so every now and then? (Always relieved when it comes back on as i remember a trip on a Turbostar once when the air con packed in, it was awful

I think @swt_passenger is on the money here!

 

[fgwrich]

I think from earlier discussions the air con goes off on AC Desiros for around 30 secs at each OHLE neutral section the train passes through.

Likewise for the equivalent 3rd rail "gaps".

 

[Prestige15]

I thought that the 360s were able to do the "HST" speeds (just like the Meridians) because of their good acceleration and braking?

Though yes I am aware that the standard speed limit is 100.

But that begs the question: why go to the effort of doing the 110mph upgrades when BDM-STP (and STP-BDM) is limited to 100 (because of the wiring), KET-WEL is 90mph on the slows, and WEL-KET the 360s probably couldn't even reach 110 (even if they were allowed to do the HST speeds) because they have to slow down for a 30 when going from the Fasts to the Slows just south of KET?

Looks like its already doing 110 south of Bedford. Just look and listen to the motor sound on the second and last clip compared to the first one

 

[MML]

Today will see 50% yes 3 of the 6 units operating as 4-car iso 8-car. With the current levels of passenger loading, these services will be bursting with standing room only.

Truly awful performance from EMR who are still only able to provide 9 serviceable units from a fleet of 21.

 

[fgwrich]

Today will see 50% yes 3 of the 6 units operating as 4-car iso 8-car. With the current levels of passenger loading, these services will be bursting with standing room only.

Truly awful performance from EMR who are still only able to provide 9 serviceable units from a fleet of 21

And yet, after a quick look at RTT, I still don’t know where your getting your figures from. I could have looked for longer, but have counted at least 11 units out, with a minimum of 3 pairings.

 

[Hairy Bear]

Saturday only had 9 units available, this dropped to 8 after I found faults with the set and they decided to pull that one out.
Yes they really are that bad.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 23/05 5Q80 0930 Cricklewood - Eastleigh Works 47749 360108
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04440/2022-05-23/detailed

STP 23/05 5Q81 1558 Eastleigh Works - Cricklewood Caped
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04441/2022-05-23/detailed

VSTP 23/05 5Q81 1458 Eastleigh Works - Cricklewood Also Caped
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:41148/2022-05-23/detailed

 

[MML]

And yet, after a quick look at RTT, I still don’t know where your getting your figures from. I could have looked for longer, but have counted at least 11 units out, with a minimum of 3 pairings.

1Y00 8-car 360109 and 360105
1Y02 4-car 360121
1Y04 4-car 360119
1Y06 8-car 360117 and 360118
1Y08 4-car 360103
1Y10 8-car 360109 and 360105
1Y12 8-car 360106 and 360107
1Y14 4-car 360121
11 units but 50% of services into London this morning were 4-car units.
The 1617 service to Corby formed of 320121 was terminated at Luton Airport Parkway due to a fault.
The 1717 is formed of a single unit 360103 and so is the 1915.

 

[Nottingham59]

1Y00 8-car 360109 and 360105
1Y02 4-car 360121
1Y04 4-car 360119
1Y06 8-car 360117 and 360118
1Y08 4-car 360103
1Y10 8-car 360109 and 360105
1Y12 8-car 360106 and 360107
1Y14 4-car 360121

That list includes 109, 105, 121 twice. So three single units 121, 119, 103. And three pairs. 109/105; 117/118; 106/107. If I have understood correctly?

 

[MML]

That list includes 109, 105, 121 twice. So three single units 121, 119, 103. And three pairs. 109/105; 117/118; 106/107. If I have understood correctly?

Yes 50% of services running as 4-car and 50% as 8-car. Unless you were unfortunate enough to be dumped at Luton Airport Parkway this afternoon due to a fault with 360121.

 

[43096]

Saturday only had 9 units available, this dropped to 8 after I found faults with the set and they decided to pull that one out.
Yes they really are that bad.

Given that no other Desiro operator seems to have these problems with reliability/availability, that would point to the TOC being the problem rather than the train.

 

[Spartacus]

Yes 50% of services running as 4-car and 50% as 8-car. Unless you were unfortunate enough to be dumped at Luton Airport Parkway this afternoon due to a fault with 360121.

Is that what they said it was?

 

[43096]

The 1617 service to Corby formed of 320121 was terminated at Luton Airport Parkway due to a fault.

RTT says cancelled due to issue with train crew. It went empty to Corby and formed its booked working back to St. Pancras and is still out in service now, which does tend to suggest it wasn't a train fault. But that wouldn't support the 360 narrative, would it?

 

[43102EMR]

Given that no other Desiro operator seems to have these problems with reliability/availability, that would point to the TOC being the problem rather than the train.

The main contributor was Greater Anglia’s poor maintenance prior to them being released, which seems to have continued under EMR.