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Germany: €9 a month for 3 months from June 1

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U-Bahnfreund

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On those in Saxony, sometimes monthly passes are valid on them, but not regular single tickets (for example on the Lößnitzgrundbahn).

On the Harz railways, normally no standard regional tickets are valid (except on the Nordhausen-Ilfeld line where also diesel trams into Nordhausen operate) but on this occasion, the 9€ tickets are accepted. The Harz narrow-gauge railways do receive subsidies from the state apart from the Brocken line, so I believe it has something to do with that https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sach...-euro-ticket-harzer-schmalspurbahnen-100.html
 
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Duisburg, Essen, Bochum, Dortmund have good transport systems. I would compare them to those of Liverpool, Bolton, Manchester which I would say are inferior.
Duisburg: Tram 901. Every second tram is cancelled due to a shortage of vehicles.
Main bus route only have a 30 minute interval. Many routes end early in the evening. Outer areas have either an hourly service or a taxi bus.
Not really good is it?
Essen and Dortmund are certainly better.

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Maybe interesting for some: the 9€ ticket will be valid on the Harz steam narrow-gauge railways (except the route between Drei Annen Hohne and Brocken mountain), on the Lößnitzgrundbahn and Weißeritztalbahn railways near Dresden, Zittau narrow-gauge railways, possibly on other Saxon steam narrow-gauge railways as well, and on the Bäderbahn Molli railway on the Baltic Sea.
there are conflicting reports on that in the German media.

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"... cheapen it for those poor souls ("Alte, Arbeitslose, Asoziale") who use it already......"

how about using less disrespectful language?
 
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Can't see why not. Regular VRR tickets are valid on it.
yes, you can even buy from the Schwebebahn operator WSW if passed by legislation. That should have happended by the end of this week.

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Ledlisgation has passed the Bundesrat. It is now offical and sales will begin next week.
 
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These routes are where IC/ICE/EC/RJ are considered as regional services as well: https://www.bahn.de/service/individuelle-reise/bahn_und_fahrrad/nahverkehrsfreigabe in all cases they are duplicated in journey planners. As an example, IC 2229 (Dortmund – Frankfurt) is duplicatedly shown as RE 52229 (RE34 Letmathe - Dillenburg) in journey planners, so that when you search a connection "only with regional trains", it still shows up. The 9€-Ticket will also be accepted on those trains.
Note that this has changed. The 9€ ticket will (as of what DB says now), without any logic, *NOT* be valid on IC and other long-distance services, that otherwise can be used with local tickets, like the IC between Letmathe and Dillenburg, between Bremen and Norddeich or between Stuttgart and Singen https://twitter.com/DB_Bahn/status/1527584120242585601

I hope the transport ministries will be able to convince DB Fernverkehr to accept the 9€ ticket as well. You can't even unallow those IC-RE trains in the journey planners, as they will show up even if you tick "only local trains". Will be very confusing
 

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As far as I can see, the €9 ticket has been approved and will be available from DB from Monday May 23.
Presumably you have to buy separate tickets for each of the 3 calendar months June, July, August.
DB's German site has been updated today but not the English page on the subject.
 

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I am on a long planned trip to Koln and Bamberg in June and will probably get this for our airport travel, trains to Wuppertal etc. And assuming I've read it right, valid on trams in the cities too.

I will report back on how busy things are, I am going to touristy areas so I suspect it will be noticeable which may make me actually do more walking round where we stay rather than taking days out. It seems a bit too cheap. Even something like 40 euros would have been incredible value.

Although our train down the Rhine and back to Frankfurt airport are IC/ICE so shouldn't impact on them.
 

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It will certainly be interesting to hear if things do grind to a halt or not !
 

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Tried to book one of these today for June, on the DB site.
All fine until the final payment stage was rejected.
Maybe their booking engine is a bit "busy"!
Offered as an e-ticket or pdf.

Edit: the booking actually went through.
Having arrived in Munich from Italy on an EC* service, I'll use it to reach the airport on the S-bahn (cheaper than the €14.10 MVV fare).
* though in fact the through DB Sparpreis fare to the airport is the same as to the Hbf...
 
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I don't get why so many people buy it online. I mean you can also just buy it on the day as a paper ticket, probably more interesting as a physical souvenir
 

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Just spoken to a German born friend who's returned from a visit home this morning. Some cynicism as to 1. how many will actually take it up and 2. if a lot do how can the public transport system cope?

Apparently they went on sale today for use from 1st June, see; https://www.newsendip.com/germany-w...for-all-local-public-transport-during-summer/

People across Germany will be able to use local and regional public transport such as bus, subway, tram, ferries, and suburban trains with an unlimited number of journeys during June, July, and August for 9 euros a month.

Germans who already have public transport subscriptions will see their prices reduced to 9 euros as well. Long-distance train tickets or travels from private companies like FlixTrain or FlixBus are excluded from the program.

Transportation companies have started to make the tickets for sale, which will be valid starting June 1.

And in the early hours of Monday morning, 50,000 tickets were already sold online by Deutsche Bahn, the national railway company of Germany, a spokeswoman said. On Friday, Berliner Verkehrsbetriebe, which manages public underground railway, tram, bus, and ferry networks of Berlin, sold 35,000 tickets in just 12 hours.

Overall, around 30 million users of the nine-euro ticket per month are expected.

The measure has been adopted by the Bundestag on May 19 as a “direct financial relief to citizens due to the sharply rising costs of electricity, food, heating and mobility. Part of the second relief package, the federal government also sees it as an incentive to switch to public transport and to save fuel.

The federated states will receive 3.7 billion euros from the federal government for the financing of local public transport as part of the regionalization law, among which 2.5 billion euros ($2.67 billion) are provisioned for the implementation of the nine-euro ticket from June to August this year. Each state will be responsible to implement it.

Another 1.2 billion euros are sent to help compensate financial losses caused by the COVID-19 pandemic as public transport lost 10 to 15% of its customers during the pandemic. The Hamburg Transport Association for instance counted 707 million trips for a revenue of 686 million euros ($731 million) in 2020 when it had more than a billion passengers and a turnover of 890 million euros (-23%) before COVID-19.

The Bundesrat, the Federal Council representing the sixteen Länder then approved the law last Friday as well as 11 others, including the introduction of a flat-rate energy price.

For Jens Hilgenberg from BUND, a German NGO dedicated to protecting nature and the environment, the measure may only be a “flash in the pan” if there is no investment of public transport infrastructures, arguing for instance the ticket would mostly benefit people who are already well connected.

And as the Association of German Transport Companies warns, “the short-term implementation of the 9-euro ticket poses major challenges for local public transport, especially with regard to the available capacity.” It advises to have flexible travel times during the period of summer holidays while most of local journeys are made with no reservations.

In Austria, a KlimaTicket, or Climate ticket, was released last October as a tool to curb carbon emissions. Priced at 1,095 euros for a year, people can use all scheduled services – public and private rail, city and public transport – across Austria.

Austria Minister of Climate action and Energy Leonore Gewessler said last Thursday that 160,000 climate tickets have been sold so far, more than the 120,000 the government foresaw. The ticket has now become more expensive but about 5,000 new customers are added each month. And it can create frustration from commuters who are also experiencing overcrowded public transport.
 

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Fifty extra trains are to be put in service for the duration. I hope some of the old IC compartment coaches will be running.
 

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As a tourist you always need to be able to show official ID if asked for-and your NAME must be written on ticket, as its personal. I really keep amazed why the brits have to be explained that so often..........
Also I really do not grasp why people even Q up for hrs to buy this ticket- can buy from about any machine or even most busdrivers/regional from 1/6.
NOTE; it will NOT be valid on last mile from last station till border-tariff-point, except to LUXembrg (where its free transit anyway).
 

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Fifty extra trains are to be put in service for the duration. I hope some of the old IC compartment coaches will be running.
Any details on where these extra trains are running?

Edit: looks to mostly be around Berlin and Brandenburg up to the coastline.
 
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The trains are going to be rammed full, 9 euro riders on local trains and half price inter rail on the inter cities. Might be a time to avoid if you want comfort
 

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As a tourist you always need to be able to show official ID if asked for-and your NAME must be written on ticket, as its personal. I really keep amazed why the brits have to be explained that so often..........
Also I really do not grasp why people even Q up for hrs to buy this ticket- can buy from about any machine or even most busdrivers/regional from 1/6.
NOTE; it will NOT be valid on last mile from last station till border-tariff-point, except to LUXembrg (where its free transit anyway).

Is there a list of where the 'border-tariff-points' are? For example, are you allowed to go to Venlo or to Basel Bad?
 

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In general it is only valid up until the last station on German soil.

However, some local transport association have decided to make exceptions, so in the specific case of Basel it is valid up until Basel SBB. It is also valid as far as Salzburg and Kufstein, but not to Venlo or Arnhem.
 

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Also it's not valid on IC(E) on routes where other regional tickets are valid.

On the Dutch forums, this exception in the AVV area is mentioned:
Ausnahme im AVV: Die ASEAG-Linien 24 nach Kelmis, 25 und 33 nach Vaals sowie 34 nach Kerkrade dürfen mit dem 9-Euro-Ticket genutzt werden, ebenso die Arriva-Linie 350 bis Vaals. Auch die Busline SB 3 der WestVerkehr nach Sittard darf genutzt werden, ebenso die fünf grenzüberschreitenden MultiBus-Linien bis zur (Verknüpfungs-)Haltestelle in den Niederlanden.
In most cases these are cross-border services that are the full responsibility of the foreign operator, Arriva route 350 is a bit of an outlier. And for some reason route 44 (Heerlen - Aachen) is not mentioned at all, though that's by far the most complex example of integrated cross border fares already.

But in general we're quite lucky in the Netherlands: Dutch fares are valid as far as Leer, Gronau, Kleve, Kaldenkirchen (by bus, not by train) and Aachen. So at most border crossings a ticket from the border to the first German station is not even needed. (Only at Oldenzaal - Bad Bentheim and Zevenaar - Emmerich-Elten you'll need a ticket from the border, although at the latter soon no more)
 
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As a conductor and passenger, I look at this with both enthusiasm and worry at the same time. On the RE96 (Go Ahead, Munich-Memmingen-Lindau) we have had trains leave people behind without this ticket offer on weekends. We can't add another set as platforms are too short after Memmingen. On the contrary, on weekdays there is still ample fresh air that could be filled. Only time will tell but it's definitely gotten people talking about public transport.
 

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As a tourist you always need to be able to show official ID if asked for-and your NAME must be written on ticket, as its personal. I really keep amazed why the brits have to be explained that so often..........

Because it's not a concept we have here - that's the simplest explaination.

Likewise we don't have ID cards or any general requirement to carry something to prove our identity.
 

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It's also valid to Schaffhausen in Switzerland, Świnoujście Centrum in Poland and on the line that goes from Germany through Reutte in Tirol in Austria back into Germany but not for a local journey within Austria.
 

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Note that this has changed. The 9€ ticket will (as of what DB says now), without any logic, *NOT* be valid on IC and other long-distance services, that otherwise can be used with local tickets, like the IC between Letmathe and Dillenburg, between Bremen and Norddeich or between Stuttgart and Singen https://twitter.com/DB_Bahn/status/1527584120242585601

I hope the transport ministries will be able to convince DB Fernverkehr to accept the 9€ ticket as well. You can't even unallow those IC-RE trains in the journey planners, as they will show up even if you tick "only local trains". Will be very confusing
This has changed again, as the state of Baden-Württemberg has secured an agreement with DB Fernverkehr, that the 9€ ticket *will* be valid on the code-shared IC-RE trains between Stuttgart and Singen (IC-RE87 Gäubahn) after all. No mention yet of other states following suit with such agreements

 

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I hope the transport ministries will be able to convince DB Fernverkehr to accept the 9€ ticket as well. You can't even unallow those IC-RE trains in the journey planners, as they will show up even if you tick "only local trains". Will be very confusing

It might actually be a good idea to exclude them. Here in Austria, the Klimaticket (a yearly rover ticket for all public transport in the whole of the country at a price of little over €1000), together with the end of Covid restrictions and an obvious desire to travel again, has led to a huge increase in passenger numbers. On long-distance trains (which in Austria, mostly, are actually more akin to German IC and RE trains, since the country is so small), passenger numbers are up by 10% compared to 2019(!).

This is certainly good, but it also results in very overcrowded trains.
 
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