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[stevenedin]

Is that via the Greater Glasgow on the app? This is curiousity here (again and apologies), if I wanted to go the Kelpies too would that ticket be included too? The day I am planning out is roughly going briefly the Wheel/Kelpies then Falkirk itself to return to Glasgow? (if this helps solve the issue).

These routes are operated via First Scotland East so they will need to be bought via the Stirling and Falkirk section of the app. I’m not sure if the 3+ zones ticket covers First Glasgow buses within Glasgow zone G as well or if it just covers First Scotland East buses within zone G (X10, X10A, X35, X36 and X37). It will cover the whole of First Scotland East network though up to Edinburgh.

https://www.firstbus.co.uk/sites/default/files/public/maps/Scotland%20East%20Zones%20Network%20Map%20December%202020_0.pdf

 

[kez19]

These routes are operated via First Scotland East so they will need to be bought via the Stirling and Falkirk section of the app. I’m not sure if the 3+ zones ticket covers First Glasgow buses within Glasgow zone G as well or if it just covers First Scotland East buses within zone G (X10, X10A, X35, X36 and X37). It will cover the whole of First Scotland East network though up to Edinburgh.

thanks for additional info, just seems to me a bit of an odd setup to have an express bus service that uses Glasgow but that side doesn't have it available (as far as i can see).

Just for a bit of clearance: I am guessing the service I am looking at is ran by First Midlands than it is Glasgow? (i'm asking this as more of an outsider as I don't know some of the services in Glasgow hence the asking - not trying to divert off topic or anything).

 

[stevenedin]

thanks for additional info, just seems to me a bit of an odd setup to have an express bus service that uses Glasgow but that side doesn't have it available (as far as i can see).

Just for a bit of clearance: I am guessing the service I am looking at is ran by First Midlands than it is Glasgow? (i'm asking this as more of an outsider as I don't know some of the services in Glasgow hence the asking - not trying to divert off topic or anything).

Yeah they are operated by First Midland.

First Scotland East consists of First Midland and First West Lothian.

I don’t know why the app is made so complicated. It’s the same in Edinburgh if you want to go to certain places you have to go into either the West Lothian or Stirling and Falkirk sections and some buses cross both so it can be difficult to know which one to go to.

If I was First I would have the app designed to take you to the right ticket based on typing in the origin and the destination. It would make it much easier and it wouldn’t matter which division of First operates the route.

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These routes are operated via First Scotland East so they will need to be bought via the Stirling and Falkirk section of the app. I’m not sure if the 3+ zones ticket covers First Glasgow buses within Glasgow zone G as well or if it just covers First Scotland East buses within zone G (X10, X10A, X35, X36 and X37). It will cover the whole of First Scotland East network though up to Edinburgh.

Sorry not X35 just X10, X10A, X36 and X37. The X35 was withdrawn a while back.

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

Is that via the Greater Glasgow on the app? This is curiousity here (again and apologies), if I wanted to go the Kelpies too would that ticket be included too? The day I am planning out is roughly going briefly the Wheel/Kelpies then Falkirk itself to return to Glasgow? (if this helps solve the issue).

You need to find the Falkirk & Stirling section of the App mTickets.

 

[kez19]

You need to find the Falkirk & Stirling section of the App mTickets.

I was looking at that side, its complicated and especially the zones (as pointed out above), thanks to you also appreciated!

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Yeah they are operated by First Midland.

First Scotland East consists of First Midland and First West Lothian.

I don’t know why the app is made so complicated. It’s the same in Edinburgh if you want to go to certain places you have to go into either the West Lothian or Stirling and Falkirk sections and some buses cross both so it can be difficult to know which one to go to.

If I was First I would have the app designed to take you to the right ticket based on typing in the origin and the destination. It would make it much easier and it wouldn’t matter which division of First operates the route.

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Sorry not X35 just X10, X10A, X36 and X37. The X35 was withdrawn a while back.

Apologies on my end I quoted X35 as it was posted on their app - it may well end up being just using X37 for the day just go to the Wheel/Falkirk then back to Glasgow (I noticed trying to fit in Kelpies i'm hopping off onto the other sides services so be even more money spent!)

I remember Stagecoach did this initally for me in Dundee going to say St Andrews for a ticket I had to buy it in reverse but since they have made the app a bit simpler its easier (sorry I know different operator) to get it now.

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

I was looking at that side, its complicated and especially the zones (as pointed out above), thanks to you also appreciated!

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Apologies on my end I quoted X35 as it was posted on their app - it may well end up being just using X37 for the day just go to the Wheel/Falkirk then back to Glasgow (I noticed trying to fit in Kelpies i'm hopping off onto the other sides services so be even more money spent!)

And btw, First Scotland East Zone G tickets can be used on all First Glasgow Services.

Just in the same manner that a First Glasgow Local/Network ticket can be used on the x36/x37 from Cumbernauld to Glasgow.

And previously before it’s withdrawal, the x35.

 

[kez19]

And btw, First Scotland East Zone G tickets can be used on all First Glasgow Services.

Just in the same manner that a First Glasgow Local/Network ticket can be used on the x36/x37 from Cumbernauld to Glasgow.

And previously before it’s withdrawal, the x35.

How would a Glasgow Network ticket work on the X36/X37? If I boarded it in Glasgow would I have to have a separate ticket? Sorry if I am complicating things here?

I tried looking under Falkirk for Zone G but they only highlight Zones D and G? (seems there is more combinations than single zones?)

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Is it First’s intention to debrand the 240 branded E200MMCs and just leave the blue Lanarkshire connect vinyls instead?

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

How would a Glasgow Network ticket work on the X36/X37? If I boarded it in Glasgow would I have to have a separate ticket? Sorry if I am complicating things here?

I tried looking under Falkirk for Zone G but they only highlight Zones D and G? (seems there is more combinations than single zones?)

I think there’s alittle complication being made here.

Just for illustrative purposes I’m saying this, both the x36 & x37 drivers do sell a Glasgow Network Ticket which is basically the Zone G under another name, on board the x36/37, they always have sold a Glasgow Network ticket, even way back when the 24 & 27 through Kilsyth used to operate.

The attached zone map shows “Zone G” for Glasgow area, however, there is no actual individual “Zone G” on the App or ticket machines, as said above it’s sold on board the x36 & x37 as a “Glasgow Network Ticket”.

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Is it First’s intention to debrand the 240 branded E200MMCs and just leave the blue Lanarkshire connect vinyls instead?

They should remove the lot, it’s rather daft.

 

[stevenedin]

And btw, First Scotland East Zone G tickets can be used on all First Glasgow Services.

Just in the same manner that a First Glasgow Local/Network ticket can be used on the x36/x37 from Cumbernauld to Glasgow.

And previously before it’s withdrawal, the x35.

Thanks, in that case you need the 3+ zone day ticket for £12.60 which will cover you for all of Glasgow and within Falkirk as well for seeing the kelpies and Falkirk wheel. It will even cover you for travel to West Lothian and Edinburgh although I doubt you would have time to do all of that.

Hopefully this helps.

 

[mb3]

Thanks, in that case you need the 3+ zone day ticket for £12.60 which will cover you for all of Glasgow and within Falkirk as well for seeing the kelpies and Falkirk wheel. It will even cover you for travel to West Lothian and Edinburgh although I doubt you would have time to do all of that.

Hopefully this helps.

Again slightly off topic, but that ticket also covers you on the S60/160 route, the bi weekly service from Stirling to Tyndrum. Decent value for money that ticket since you can go from Tyndrum to Edinburgh in a day.

 

[kez19]

Thanks, in that case you need the 3+ zone day ticket for £12.60 which will cover you for all of Glasgow and within Falkirk as well for seeing the kelpies and Falkirk wheel. It will even cover you for travel to West Lothian and Edinburgh although I doubt you would have time to do all of that.

Hopefully this helps.

Found it thank you at least that’s the 2 ticket options I can use!

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

One thing that is a pain is that quite often First Glasgow tickets bought on board Midland services often don't scan on FIG ticket machines.

 

[PaulMc7]

Have the wage increase and the new overtime rate made any difference to the number of new starts at First? From my own experience I'd say it's helped but it'll take a few months to see the true effect.

I've noticed the training buses out quite early even on my way to work on occasion of late.

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

Have the wage increase and the new overtime rate made any difference to the number of new starts at First? From my own experience I'd say it's helped but it'll take a few months to see the true effect.

I've noticed the training buses out quite early even on my way to work on occasion of late.

No where near to the extent that would’ve previously have made.

To much has happened over the previous few years, people are much wiser in the industry, extra pay is only a bonus if you can stick the rest of the rubbish handed to you.

 

[kez19]

One thing that is a pain is that quite often First Glasgow tickets bought on board Midland services often don't scan on FIG ticket machines.

What happens in these sort of situations does the driver still allow you onboard?

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

What happens in these sort of situations does the driver still allow you onboard?

Yes, should do.

If not then it’s his problem, not yours.

 

[kez19]

Yes, should do.

If not then it’s his problem, not yours.

So if chucked off wait on next one

Another question (probably answered), I thought initially the 9/9a only went as far as Penilee (I remember First ran to Linwood) but was surprised that they go to Paisley has that always been the case or has there been a change? (this is me thinking back couple years ago)

 

[PaulMc7]

No where near to the extent that would’ve previously have made.

To much has happened over the previous few years, people are much wiser in the industry, extra pay is only a bonus if you can stick the rest of the rubbish handed to you.

On top of that, Covid and Brexit aren't just excuses like some believe either. Most public facing industries are screwed at the minute. I have had a lot of far more cheerful and pleasant drivers over the last week so the pay increases maybe will do enough long term.

 

[mb3]

So if chucked off wait on next one

Another question (probably answered), I thought initially the 9/9a only went as far as Penilee (I remember First ran to Linwood) but was surprised that they go to Paisley has that always been the case or has there been a change? (this is me thinking back couple years ago)

The 9 has been terminating in Paisley for years as has the 9A terminating in Braehead, with some services terminating in Penilee.

 

[kez19]

The 9 has been terminating in Paisley for years as has the 9A terminating in Braehead, with some services terminating in Penilee.

I had thought First pulled out of Paisley (must have been my imagination lol) but had only went as far as Penilee (didn’t know they terminated at Braehead either!)

 

[adrock1976]

So if chucked off wait on next one

Another question (probably answered), I thought initially the 9/9a only went as far as Penilee (I remember First ran to Linwood) but was surprised that they go to Paisley has that always been the case or has there been a change? (this is me thinking back couple years ago)

The 9 has been terminating in Paisley for years as has the 9A terminating in Braehead, with some services terminating in Penilee.

I had thought First pulled out of Paisley (must have been my imagination lol) but had only went as far as Penilee (didn’t know they terminated at Braehead either!)

During the first lockdown in March 2020, First Glasgow only ran the 9A to Penilee/Braehead Centre.

McGills still ran the 38 to Paisley/Johnstone/Kilbarchan/Spateston, with both operator specific tickets being accepted on each other's services.

Also, the First Glasgow 9 has normally been running to Paisley (previously Linwood) since the Overground concept in 1999. Before then, I think it may have been the 56 (the 55 was Hillington Ind Estate - later extended to Braehead Centre, and the 54 went to Penilee), with the 39 running from Craigend.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

The 9/9A is a disaster at the moment, well more so the 9A. Despite them being interworked the 9A always seems to have multiple consecutive missing buses.

 

[computerSaysNo]

I appreciate this isn't to do with the immediate topic being discussed so I'll apologize now.
Is there a list anywhere of all the Glasgow/Lanarkshire routes and which vehicles typically operate them, possibly along with the daytime frequencies of the route?
Thanks.
Edit: I'm about to draw up one for Lothian Buses in Edinburgh, if anyone wants to trade?

Lanarkshire wise the 240/241/242/254 are mainly Enviro 200 MMC, the odd Streetlite appears. the 266 is a mix of Enviro 200 MMC and Streetlites. The Caetano Nimbus can show up mainly on 244 if not a Solo, occasionally on the 242/242/266. Solos are 251 and 93/193 although if not its usually a 44xxx Enviro 200 MMC.

Thanks for the reply.
As promised, here's the list I made for Edinburgh.

 

[kez19]

During the first lockdown in March 2020, First Glasgow only ran the 9A to Penilee/Braehead Centre.

McGills still ran the 38 to Paisley/Johnstone/Kilbarchan/Spateston, with both operator specific tickets being accepted on each other's services.

Also, the First Glasgow 9 has normally been running to Paisley (previously Linwood) since the Overground concept in 1999. Before then, I think it may have been the 56 (the 55 was Hillington Ind Estate - later extended to Braehead Centre, and the 54 went to Penilee), with the 39 running from Craigend.

Thanks for the additional info (so it was really my imagination - saying this as an outsider) lol

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I see the number of B7RLEs has significantly reduced. Any sign as to when the E200MMCs will be reinstated and the remaining B7RLEs and B7TLs will be withdrawn?

 

[mb3]

I see the number of B7RLEs has significantly reduced. Any sign as to when the E200MMCs will be reinstated and the remaining B7RLEs and B7TLs will be withdrawn?

From looking at bus times, the only B7RLE’s left are the ones at Scotstoun

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I’ll be sad to see the B7RLEs go. I remember when they were new to Parkhead on the 61 and 62. They were always far better buses than the B7Ls which were just awful. It’ll be weird not to see them about Glasgow any longer.

 

[ScotRail158725]

I see the number of B7RLEs has significantly reduced. Any sign as to when the E200MMCs will be reinstated and the remaining B7RLEs and B7TLs will be withdrawn?

In the coming weeks

 

[route101]

I’ll be sad to see the B7RLEs go. I remember when they were new to Parkhead on the 61 and 62. They were always far better buses than the B7Ls which were just awful. It’ll be weird not to see them about Glasgow any longer.

Yes, I remember new on the 18 as well.