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Chalford, the state of the down line

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Crossing the road bridge at Chalford, Gloucestershire, yesterday I took this picture of the state of the down line. As it is the main line between Swindon and Gloucester I wonder why it has been allowed to get into this state. Is it safe? It is on a downward incline. Historically trains were banked up to Sapperton.
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Crossing the road bridge at Chalford, Gloucestershire, yesterday I took this picture of the state of the down line. As it is the main line between Swindon and Gloucester I wonder why it has been allowed to get into this state. Is it safe? It is on a downward incline. Historically trains were banked up to Sapperton.
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It's been like that for at least 8 years. The line speed it only about 40 in that area IIRC as it's so wiggly so probably not a massive problem. Not a lot of freight either. As long as it's not moving the track it'll be safe. Drainage isn't a problem either as it's on a massive hill. It's probably caused because the track and ballast hasn't been renewed for many years and the forest on the hill above showers the track with all kind of seeds (obviously these don't grow fully as trains run up and down every hour!).
 

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It's been like that for at least 8 years. The line speed it only about 40 in that area IIRC as it's so wiggly so probably not a massive problem. Not a lot of freight either. As long as it's not moving the track it'll be safe. Drainage isn't a problem either as it's on a massive hill. It's probably caused because the track and ballast hasn't been renewed for many years and the forest on the hill above showers the track with all kind of seeds (obviously these don't grow fully as trains run up and down every hour!).
Thanks for that, I have never seen any main line in the UK so bad. I have been on a few branch single lines in Poland in the 1990s that were bad, but not that bad. Is this the shape (or shapps) of things to come? I hope not. I also notice that the Network Rail buddleia society has been doing well on the viaducts, especially over Merrywalks in Stroud. Silver Guilt prize this year.
 

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I have never seen any main line in the UK so bad. I have been on a few branch single lines in Poland in the 1990s that were bad, but not that bad.
The substantial junction west of Lewisham station, apparently regarded as a "key point" in the London network infrastructure, has looked the same for some time.
 

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The substantial junction west of Lewisham station, apparently regarded as a "key point" in the London network infrastructure, has looked the same for some time.
You are quite right, I forgot about that one. When I used to travel to Woolwich via Blackheath that cross junction was always bad, yet it did not have woods or trees near. I just presume the weed killing train switched off over the junction. So one question more, is Chalford the worst kept main line in the country?
 

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Crossing the road bridge at Chalford, Gloucestershire, yesterday I took this picture of the state of the down line. As it is the main line between Swindon and Gloucester I wonder why it has been allowed to get into this state. Is it safe? It is on a downward incline. Historically trains were banked up to Sapperton.
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There is a natural water course under the railway line at Chalford, and Network Rail aren’t aren’t allowed to use a weedkilling train on this section as they do on others. Hence the overgrown nature.
 

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So one question more, is Chalford the worst kept main line in the country?
Answering with a further question; does the presence of greenery automatically mean poorly-kept? There are plenty of lines around the world (admittedly, many are tram ways) where grass is actively grown in the 'four foot'.
 

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I raise your Chalford with Bromley Cross on the Bolton - Blackburn line :D. Thanks to Darren JB for the original photo. This was a bit ago but nothing has changed so far as I know.

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Not so much of a main line (Chalford sees hourly IETs and South Wales diversions on a regular basis), but I agree that's an impressive alternative. Looks more like a railtour over a disused line.
 

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There are lots of springs that make their way under the railway from as soon as it leaves Stroud. These either feed the Thames and Severn Canal (once owned by the original GWR) or the river Frome which ends up feeding into the Severn.

Some parts of the line are better than others, maybe this part is particularly damp?
 

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Here is a photo of the line at Chalford in 1997, not a weed on the tracks. Now any under-line springs have likely been there since the line was built, so it appears the greenery has somehow only developed since Railtrack/Network Rail came along.


Some of the items in the current photo are pretty substantial. This is not just this year's growth. In the six foot small trees are starting to form. Is nobody in the per-way capable nowadays of coming along with a strimmer and dealing with them? I wonder what the front gardens of their houses look like.
 

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Here is a photo of the line at Chalford in 1997, not a weed on the tracks. Now any under-line springs have likely been there since the line was built, so it appears the greenery has somehow only developed since Railtrack/Network Rail came along.
It still looks remarkably green, hardly 'not a weed on the tracks'.
Some of the items in the current photo are pretty substantial. This is not just this year's growth. In the six foot small trees are starting to form. Is nobody in the per-way capable nowadays of coming along with a strimmer and dealing with them? I wonder what the front gardens of their houses look like.
Nothing in the 6ft looks beyond 2nd year growth, which would fit with this being a COVID backlog issue rather than something 5- or 10-years in the making. Also worth noting that policies towards accessing the line have changed, and in 1997 I would guess that getting access to the lineside was rather more easy to do than today.
 

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That's a good range of excuses for inaction, but possibly before introducing different access policies somebody should have actually worked out how they were going to do maintenance.

It's a bit like the enormous mass of rail offcuts seen all round the system nowadays, there are apparently plenty of justifications why it couldn't be picked up at the end of any works, and is just left there to rot.
 

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Here is a photo of the line at Chalford in 1997, not a weed on the tracks. Now any under-line springs have likely been there since the line was built, so it appears the greenery has somehow only developed since Railtrack/Network Rail came along.


Some of the items in the current photo are pretty substantial. This is not just this year's growth. In the six foot small trees are starting to form. Is nobody in the per-way capable nowadays of coming along with a strimmer and dealing with them? I wonder what the front gardens of their houses look like.

in what month was that photo taken?

id be willing to bet Chalfont looked similar in February this year too…
 

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That's a good range of excuses for inaction, but possibly before introducing different access policies somebody should have actually worked out how they were going to do maintenance.

It's a bit like the enormous mass of rail offcuts seen all round the system nowadays, there are apparently plenty of justifications why it couldn't be picked up at the end of any works, and is just left there to rot.
I wonder whether the River Ravensbourne, and possibly the River Quaggy, are the excuses for the Lewisham situation? I have lived in houses which were backed onto by each river.
 

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Whilst trees are needed for the environment, weeds on the other hand just make the railway look so gross
 

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in what month was that photo taken?

id be willing to bet Chalford looked similar in February this year too…
I think the state of the vegetation on the deciduous trees outside the fence may be a bit of a clue ... :)
 

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Whilst trees are needed for the environment, weeds on the other hand just make the railway look so gross
Weeds also needed for the environment, pollinators are needed, not just for the natural world but also for farmers and our food supply.
 

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Does anyone know when it’s due for renewal? Perhaps they’re leaving it until then, and maybe they’ll cut back all the vegetation properly during the possession ?
 
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The substantial junction west of Lewisham station, apparently regarded as a "key point" in the London network infrastructure, has looked the same for some time.

Yes, I've noticed that the weed-killer train seems to miss out the spur from the fast lines to the Hayes line.
 

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NR seem to be playing Russian Roulette with infrastructure in general. P-way, bridges, stations, vegetation. Didn't Northwich station partly collapse due to greenery infiltration? Nothing has been chopped at Salisbury Tunnel Junction, despite what happened. Are they really going to wait until there is public loss of life and the backlash before finally taking on their responsibilities?
 

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NR seem to be playing Russian Roulette with infrastructure in general. P-way, bridges, stations, vegetation. Didn't Northwich station partly collapse due to greenery infiltration? Nothing has been chopped at Salisbury Tunnel Junction, despite what happened. Are they really going to wait until there is public loss of life and the backlash before finally taking on their responsibilities?
Isn't it more likely this is because of a lack of resources, either financial or labour, or both, rather than deliberately not doing this sort of maintenance?
 

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Talking of weeds, here is a recent photo of Capel Mill viaduct, just as you leave Stroud and head for Chalford.

In some places you can see the brickwork has been pushed up by the vegetation.

(Picture shows vegetation growing out of a viaducts brickwork)
 

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Talking of weeds, here is a recent photo of Capel Mill viaduct, just as you leave Stroud and head for Chalford.

In some places you can see the brickwork has been pushed up by the vegetation.

(Picture shows vegetation growing out of a viaducts brickwork)
You can see that sort of vegetation sprouting out of railway infrastructure all over the country. It must be weakening brickwork and the consequential future repair cost is likely to be enormous.
 

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As Network Rail revenue last year went up from £8.1bn to £9.6bn, you wonder what on earth are they spending it on. Keeping the infrastructure clear of vegetation is pretty basic stuff.
 

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I'd suggest that the compensation being paid to ROSCO's for damage to rolling stock is by far outweighing the cost of vegetation management, but that probably comes out of another budget, such is the crazy way these things are funded?
 

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I'd suggest that the compensation being paid to ROSCO's for damage to rolling stock is by far outweighing the cost of vegetation management, but that probably comes out of another budget, such is the crazy way these things are funded?

it’s all from the Regions budgets, and compensation for damage to rolling stock is a tiny, tiny fraction of the vegetation budget.
 

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Talking of weeds, here is a recent photo of Capel Mill viaduct, just as you leave Stroud and head for Chalford.

In some places you can see the brickwork has been pushed up by the vegetation.

(Picture shows vegetation growing out of a viaducts brickwork)
Thanks Pete. Here is a picture taken Along Dr Newtons Way in Stroud of the same viaduct this afternoon 2 August 2022. You can not tell me that this is safe. People can walk under this. I have heard bus drivers say that it is only time before bricks will fall onto cars from the Merrywalks viaduct. Come on railtrack do your job and maintain what used to be OUR railways.
 

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