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If it had stayed I'm not sure why it makes sense to keep the rail operator responsible. Why not just let the airport deal with it? They already have a large bus operation for their car parks.
I suppose it's just a relic from how things were set up when Parkway opened.

It does have a minor benefit to rail staff travel facilities holders, as they can travel for free on the bus :lol:. Unfortunately I doubt that facility will be retained for the DART!
 
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I always find it amusing when you see personalised plates on old buses being used on poor services. It demonstrates nicely that the operator has their priorities utterly wrong.
Or, like Northern Ireland plates, it means the punters don't know how old it really is. Having said that they may have shot themselves in the foot with T1 FCC, which would first have been issued about 1979...
 

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Or, like Northern Ireland plates, it means the punters don't know how old it really is. Having said that they may have shot themselves in the foot with T1 FCC, which would first have been issued about 1979...
It would be from 1999. T at the end would be 1979. This stuck out to me because I learned to drive in an S-reg (1978) car.
 

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I always find it amusing when you see personalised plates on old buses being used on poor services. It demonstrates nicely that the operator has their priorities utterly wrong.



If it had stayed I'm not sure why it makes sense to keep the rail operator responsible. Why not just let the airport deal with it? They already have a large bus operation for their car parks.
The bus operation is done by Apcoa parking and not the airport. The parking company used to do the parkway bussing. As an aside , the car park shuttle side is seriously short of drivers.
 

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I used the airport and shuttle bus at the weekend. As I was taking an early morning flight I travelled there by train to Luton Airport Parkway on Friday evening and stayed in the Premier Inn (about 5-10 minutes walk from Luton Airport Parkway). I had a ticket to Luton Airport Parkway (not the airport).

My intention the next morning was to walk back to the station and take the shuttle bus from there to the airport, but since I needed to take an early bus (around 4 -4:30am) I wasn't sure if it would be running then or if I needed to make alternative arrangements (I.E. a taxi or walk). I couldn't fine a timetable online so assumed I'd fine one at the station. Going outside I there is a zig-zag queue (made up of blue "temporary" barriers, though I think they have been there for years) to form a queue for the bus. At the front of the queue I could see a bus stop flag with a timetable, but I could only get close enough to read it by following the queue system through the barriers. (Fortunately although there was a bus waiting at the time there was no queue). However having got there I found the timetable shown was for an entirely different route that didn't even go to the airport. Now to get out the only way out was to get onto the bus (which I didn't want) or walk back through the queue, getting in the way of those now trying to join the queue.

Then I tried in the station but couldn't find any timetable or leaflet for it there either. Eventually I asked in the ticket office and the man there was able to look up the times for me (though I had to push, as he initially told me they are every few mintues 24 hours a day and I wanted to check they are actually every few minutes at that time in the morning and it turned out once he did check that actually they aren't).

Anyway having found the time of the bus when I got there the next morning it was at least running at the times I was given and I didn't have a problem getting on board. The airport itself is better than it used to be (I've not used it in a about 2 1/2 years) in that for the first time I can remember it's not a building site inside. It still suffers from the same problem of insufficient seating airside unless you use one of the cafes (which I suspect is the reason why that's the case), but it was at least marginally better than before.

However I would also very much welcome the DART service so I don't have to put up with the buses. I would agree with others that it's poorly run and advertised and I do remember on past occasions you couldn't even join the queue for the bus without someone checking you had a ticket (even though they take contactless payment on board).
 

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I couldn't fine a timetable online so assumed I'd fine one at the station.

the timetable is available on Realtime trains.


buses run all night, and are scheduled to connect with trains. I caught one at 0400 a couple of weeks ago.
 

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Is there any progress towards an opening date for this ? I've a friend who wishes to travel with his 13 year old son from Belfast to Corby, and as he doesn't want to take the ferry and drive, I've advised flying to Luton and taking the train. It will be a whole load easier to say 'just get the people mover down the hill to the station' than 'go to Bay T and take the shuttle bus'.... Of course, in NI, there are neither 2.4km long people movers dropping 100+ feet nor electric trains that run at 100mph, so hoping to make a convert.. Is this DART '2022 opening date' looking like December rather than June ?
 

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Is there any progress towards an opening date for this ? I've a friend who wishes to travel with his 13 year old son from Belfast to Corby, and as he doesn't want to take the ferry and drive, I've advised flying to Luton and taking the train. It will be a whole load easier to say 'just get the people mover down the hill to the station' than 'go to Bay T and take the shuttle bus'.... Of course, in NI, there are neither 2.4km long people movers dropping 100+ feet nor electric trains that run at 100mph, so hoping to make a convert.. Is this DART '2022 opening date' looking like December rather than June ?
https://twitter.com/LutonRising/status/1527592552123318272 says:

Hello, The DART is due to open late summer however safety is our first priority and throughout the summer we will be continuing to comprehensively test the system.
 

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Thank you and much appreciated - I'll let him know. As an aside, I do wish all that if firms/organisations/agencies have websites that they keep those updated too rather than relying solely on Twitter. Just because all the PR people and journos live on it doesn't mean that all the customers do - grrr. IMHO it's just lazy...., but then dinosaurs are fossils now.
 
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I have no idea why the airport authorities have consistently failed to get a grip of the shuttle bus over the years. They might not even have needed the DART if they had put some effort into dealing with the disgrace that is First Bus. They should have sent them packing a long time ago and brought in an outfit that can run a very simple service without all the rude, grumpy, aggressive, inefficient nonsense that leaves you feeling like a a paying criminal rather than a valued passenger at a reasonably large international airport.

I so blacklist Luton because of that bloody shuttle bus as to most of my friends.

Mind you the terminal is not much better. The travel desk is useless, rude and pointless and the ticket machines totally lacking in explanation, and they try and sell you more expensive tickets than you need. There is also a total lack of staff to help in general around the place and the border hall is a disgrace.

I am surprised they went straight from the bad bus to a very expensive fixed shuttle rather than trying to fix the basics but I suspect it will make Luton a bit of a better prospect. Won’t sort out the nonsense in the terminal though.
The bus shuttle is run by Go Ahead London (commercial department) and has been since the franchise moved from First to GOVIA. I don't know what the gestation period has been for the DART system but that would preclude any serious investment in the bus shuttle knowing it would/should have had a relatively short shelf life. Newer buses were transferred in (ex Red Arrow Citaro's), partly to replace the unreliable and ageing bendy buses that First used.
 

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I used the airport and shuttle bus at the weekend. As I was taking an early morning flight I travelled there by train to Luton Airport Parkway on Friday evening and stayed in the Premier Inn (about 5-10 minutes walk from Luton Airport Parkway). I had a ticket to Luton Airport Parkway (not the airport).

My intention the next morning was to walk back to the station and take the shuttle bus from there to the airport, but since I needed to take an early bus (around 4 -4:30am) I wasn't sure if it would be running then or if I needed to make alternative arrangements (I.E. a taxi or walk). I couldn't fine a timetable online so assumed I'd fine one at the station. Going outside I there is a zig-zag queue (made up of blue "temporary" barriers, though I think they have been there for years) to form a queue for the bus. At the front of the queue I could see a bus stop flag with a timetable, but I could only get close enough to read it by following the queue system through the barriers. (Fortunately although there was a bus waiting at the time there was no queue). However having got there I found the timetable shown was for an entirely different route that didn't even go to the airport. Now to get out the only way out was to get onto the bus (which I didn't want) or walk back through the queue, getting in the way of those now trying to join the queue.

Then I tried in the station but couldn't find any timetable or leaflet for it there either. Eventually I asked in the ticket office and the man there was able to look up the times for me (though I had to push, as he initially told me they are every few mintues 24 hours a day and I wanted to check they are actually every few minutes at that time in the morning and it turned out once he did check that actually they aren't).

Anyway having found the time of the bus when I got there the next morning it was at least running at the times I was given and I didn't have a problem getting on board. The airport itself is better than it used to be (I've not used it in a about 2 1/2 years) in that for the first time I can remember it's not a building site inside. It still suffers from the same problem of insufficient seating airside unless you use one of the cafes (which I suspect is the reason why that's the case), but it was at least marginally better than before.

However I would also very much welcome the DART service so I don't have to put up with the buses. I would agree with others that it's poorly run and advertised and I do remember on past occasions you couldn't even join the queue for the bus without someone checking you had a ticket (even though they take contactless payment on board).

Timetable service number is actually 888 and buses trackable
 

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The bus shuttle is run by Go Ahead London (commercial department) and has been since the franchise moved from First to GOVIA. I don't know what the gestation period has been for the DART system but that would preclude any serious investment in the bus shuttle knowing it would/should have had a relatively short shelf life. Newer buses were transferred in (ex Red Arrow Citaro's), partly to replace the unreliable and ageing bendy buses that First used.

the bendy buses are still in service, indeed the very same buses that First used.

the DART was announced 6 years ago, but was under development a couple of years earlier and mooted for a long time before that.
 

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A short term issue, but having used Luton Airport parkway yesterday, I was surprised by how cramped the area was outside for the shuttle buses. Just 2 stops, one for departures, and one for arrivals, right next to each other, so that 2 bendys entirely fill up the space.

Especially as the area is shared with local buses (I was catching a local bus).
 

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A short term issue, but having used Luton Airport parkway yesterday, I was surprised by how cramped the area was outside for the shuttle buses. Just 2 stops, one for departures, and one for arrivals, right next to each other, so that 2 bendys entirely fill up the space.

Especially as the area is shared with local buses (I was catching a local bus).

The shuttle bus has always been grim. I always tended to use the Arriva bus from the other side of the station instead, cheaper too.
 

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(Not picking on @Bletchleyite specifically! Plenty of posters have made similar points)
Fundamentally the issue is that it is done on the cheap. One more vehicle in the circuit and it would be far less unpleasant.

Of course, being part of the GTR franchise, GTR are running the service as a management contract, retaining no revenue and instead being paid by the Department for Transport to manage the operations. After the FCC rail services transferred over, and bus service operations were transferred to Go-Ahead London (in 2015), the buses were 10 years old, and got a refurbishment and re-livery, as is common for a mid-life bus. Given that plans for the DART would already have been known about, I don't think increased investment in the shuttle bus would have got approval from the Department.

I think the challenge - as with rail services - has been matching the increased demand at the airport to increased public transport provision, particularly off-peak. The Sunday mentioned above was the first after the lifting of COVID restrictions into the UK, resulting than increased passenger arrivals into Luton. Any decision by GTR to pay for increased frequency would likely have had to be referred to DfT, and of course the short notice of the COVID restriction announcement would have made it especially difficult for Go-Ahead London to drum up drivers to run the service.

There is an argument to say it surely can't be that hard to drum up just one bus and send a driver out... but as you say, these things are being done on the cheap, and the cheap doesn't pay to have spare drivers sitting about on a Sunday.

Why not just let the airport deal with it?

That's exactly what's happening - @busesrusuk alluded to this - London Luton Airport Limited saw the opportunity years ago and is kicking in a decent chunk of the £225m for the DART, rather than spending money on new buses. The investment has taken time - the DART is key to the airport's multi-billion pound expansion plans, which have been in discussion for 2004. Trickling relatively small investment into the bus service wouldn't have made sense for an airport driving for massive expansion.

In truth, if you look at the web of discussion around the link at Luton, it really starts with the Network SouthEast development plans in 1989, following the runway improvements that year, that eventually led to the plans for the Dunstable busway. Those plans included the first proposal for a rail spur to the airport.

As ever, the simple problem of "this bus service isn't very good" is just one thread in a 30-odd year transport planning conversation. The bus link was perfectly fine (if not amazing) for 90% of running, but isn't up to the needs of an expanded Luton Airport, and would be approaching end-of-life very soon (in transport planning terms). Likewise, no-one has ever wanted to subsidise these buses' passengers, so it's always been darned expensive for what it is. The DART is a good solution, at a good price, and future-proofs the airport, the station, and the local transport network for growth.

I always tended to use the Arriva bus from the other side of the station instead, cheaper too.
Good commercial sense by the folks over at Arriva!
 

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So they covered the glass windows on the original footbridge to prevent accidents (caused by people running for their train with luggage if I remember correctly). And have now installed a second footbridge – with glass windows. How long until they are also covered?
 

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Please excuse the apparently ignorant question, but which bit of those pictures depicts the DART system?
The new Reading-esque footbridge was built to take customers from the current National Rail platforms to DART.
 

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Can't see those escalators on the fast line running for long. Would have made more sense to have a big lift like at Ikea. Escalators only make sense if the flow of people is constant.

After seeing videos on youtube of the DART operating I was gobsmacked it wasn't operational this week when I went to Gran Canaria via Luton. I couldn't even find the access point to get to it as I used the old bridge to exit.
 

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Anyone know if they have an opening date for this yet? I'll be needing to get from Parkway to the airport next month.

Interestingly certain TOCs already appear to allow booking tickets to "Luton Airport Parkway Dart" (code LPD), confusingly as well as "Luton Airport" (LUA), "Luton Airport Parkway" (LTN) and "Luton Bus" (LUB). National Rail only offers LUA or LTN though. Presumably LUA is the normal one as done at other airports with a shuttle bus where you show the rail ticket to the bus driver, and therefore the one I'll need if the DART is still not open?
 

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Anyone know if they have an opening date for this yet? I'll be needing to get from Parkway to the airport next month.

Interestingly certain TOCs already appear to allow booking tickets to "Luton Airport Parkway Dart" (code LPD), confusingly as well as "Luton Airport" (LUA), "Luton Airport Parkway" (LTN) and "Luton Bus" (LUB). National Rail only offers LUA or LTN though. Presumably LUA is the normal one as done at other airports with a shuttle bus where you show the rail ticket to the bus driver, and therefore the one I'll need if the DART is still not open?

It is yes, or you can just pay for the bus on the spot. Or even better, assuming it's now reopened (has it?), go out of the back of the station and catch the Arriva "Busway A" service from the stop on the far side of the road opposite the hotel. It's a far less grim experience and when I last did it was cheaper to boot (though may now have gone up). It runs every 10 minutes fairly reliably during the daytime.
 

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Walking between the airport and the railway station is an option if you aren't carrying heavy luggage and you want some exercise. Especially from the airport as it is downhill.
 

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Anyone know if they have an opening date for this yet? I'll be needing to get from Parkway to the airport next month.
It won't open next month.

The airport owners recently tweeted on the ongoing public realm works, saying they're expected to finish at the end of the summer. Which is basically the end of September.

In addition, Luton Council are inviting people to a business conference on 6 October. Their Eventbrite page includes this phrase (my bolding):
Be one of the first to take a ride on the pioneering new transport system linking London Luton Airport with Luton Airport Parkway mainline station
 

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I walked past Luton Airport Parkway. I saw the shuttles going back and forth. Testing is still in progress.
 

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They are posting regular progress updates on the Luton Rising LinkedIn account https://www.linkedin.com/company/lutonrising/

e.g. This from 2 days ago

We’re making great progress on the construction of Public Square at the Luton DART station.

These works are expected to finish end of the summer.

#LutonDART #DirectAir-RailTransit #LondonLutonAirport #AirportDevelopment #Luton

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