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West Somerset Railway cancels Autumn Steam Gala

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I couldn't see this posted elsewhere. Unfortunate news:

The West Somerset Railway has decided with regret to cancel this year’s Autumn Steam Gala, which would have taken place from 29th September to 2nd October. There are two main reasons. It has proved particularly difficult this year to arrange visits from suitable steam locomotives from other heritage railways. Secondly, advanced special ticket sales are significantly down - in our view partly reflecting the present economic situation.
The good news is that on Thursday 29th, Saturday 1st and Sunday 2nd October, there will be the normal service of West Somerset Railway steam trains, with tickets at standard prices. We hope that our “home fleet” of locos will be augmented that weekend by new resident pannier tank locomotive, No 9466. 9466 has been receiving attention at the Williton Works for the last few months and work is coming towards completion. Our full service of trains will be operating throughout the weekend.
Trains will continue on the West Somerset Railway through October on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays before we prepare for our Christmas season.
West Somerset Railway PLC Chairman, Jonathan Jones-Pratt said: “Whilst we are very sorry to take the decision to cancel the Autumn Gala, it reflects also our absolute determination to ensure that the railway continues to operate on a solid financial basis for the long-term future, through these difficult times. The logic by summary is due to:
• Rising energy costs
• 100% increase in coal costs
• Increased transport costs
• Current economic situation
• Lack of suitable visiting engines
We wish to confirm commitment from the railway for our 2023 Spring Steam Gala, which has already got an exciting format confirmed. Plans are well advanced for services and special events in 2023, and there will be many opportunities to see – and travel behind – interesting and exciting locomotives in the future. And it should be remembered that we have an outstanding home fleet of locomotives! I also wish to thank the team who work hard to put these events together. This business decision is made to protect capital reserves and continue the sustainability of the railway.

 
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I couldn't see this posted elsewhere. Unfortunate news:



One wonders just how viable this year‘s much reduced WSR TT has proved to be, with the exceptional long spell of fine ’Beach’ weather this Summer causing a reduction in passenger numbers, the Webcams at several stations along the line have often shown some poorly loaded trains and some very lightly used intermediate stations.

Added to this has been on occasions some unsatisfactory late running causing word of mouth experiences to
put off some potential passengers and the WSR has no such ‘sweetener as ‘delay repay’.

The paid Management structure of the WSR and some other Heritage Railways, would seem to be ripe for review and rationalisation/ cost savings with a possible sharing of some roles.
 

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I think many heritage railways are going to find the staycation boom ends with a huge bang.
 

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One wonders just how viable this year‘s much reduced WSR TT has proved to be, with the exceptional long spell of fine ’Beach’ weather this Summer causing a reduction in passenger numbers, the Webcams at several stations along the line have often shown some poorly loaded trains and some very lightly used intermediate stations.

Added to this has been on occasions some unsatisfactory late running causing word of mouth experiences to
put off some potential passengers and the WSR has no such ‘sweetener as ‘delay repay’.

The paid Management structure of the WSR and some other Heritage Railways, would seem to be ripe for review and rationalisation/ cost savings with a possible sharing of some roles.

I have watched many WSR trains via the railcams with the first up from Minehead usually poorly patronised but the first down ex Bishops Lydeard sometimes well used.

I just observed the 1000 up and 1015 down crossing at Williton on Tuesday 6 September. The up with the tank loco was early, arriving prior to 1050 hours. The down was unusually late, with loco WSR 'modified' 9351 and six cars arriving at 1112 and departing at 1114. The up then quickly departed at about 1115, 25 minutes late. From the visible side, at least 28 bays in the saloon cars were occupied, indicating good patronage as lots of 'table arrangements' would have two or even more passengers. The car sets had been seven but in the past few days they've been cut to six.

The second trains of the day on the four train timetable seem reasonable, with the down sometimes also well used. But it's highly variable and yes, I've seen plenty of trains with only 10-20 passengers visible. The railcams don't show each side of the centre aisle ex-BR cars so there may be some users that can't be observed.

Better weather days appear to have higher numbers not fewer.

Many seem to use Blue Anchor station with sometimes a dozen boarding or on the down, more than half a dozen alighting but again, it changes widely from day to day.

From Melbourne in Australia, the nine hour time difference means I don't observe the third and fourth trains on a four train day.

The occasional five train days have seen a lightly loaded 1100 down to Minehead.

Running trains must be expensive with labour costs. Are they paying more for coal yet?

I agree if finances are tight, it may be necessary to reduce hours or even sack some administrative staff, difficult as this decision must be to make. Some staff may leave if reduced to part time. Maintenance staff ought be retained if at all possible. How much per annum is the MD/CEO on?

It's a little unfair to compare a heritage line with 500 plus volunteers to 'the real railway' as passengers on the former usually have a more sanguine attitude towards operational problems such as late running. I have not seen much of this although there were problems during the extensive Spring Steam Gala on the Saturday with the Caledonian Railway blue loco resulting in a greatly altered timetable and delayed services on the Saturday.

I hope some forum viewers will patronise WSR and/or donate to its GBP3 million shareholder fund, which doesn't pay a dividend.

On a forthcoming visit to UK shortly, this line is my #1 priority of the heritage operators to experience.
 

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All the more reason for such lines to embrace TOC's running daily services with modern stock, alongside the vintage trains, not instead of. The increasingly green agenda, which promotes rail as environmentally friendly works in heritage lines favour. Not the obstructive take-over attitude of the local council re. the ELR but a cooperative and co-ordinated approach whereby the two complement each other. More lines are going to experience financial hardship, just as other businesses are, so a shared line should be a positive way forward.

There are also too many of the smaller minor lines that adopt an insular attitude. Taking years to build a half mile extension and generally getting nowhere fast. They are in danger of fading away as their mostly elderly workforce die out. A public service operated by TOC's and funded nationally could be the way out of their impasse, if done in a spirit of unity, not an aggressive take over of the line and everything on it.
 

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All the more reason for such lines to embrace TOC's running daily services with modern stock, alongside the vintage trains, not instead of. The increasingly green agenda, which promotes rail as environmentally friendly works in heritage lines favour. Not the obstructive take-over attitude of the local council re. the ELR but a cooperative and co-ordinated approach whereby the two complement each other. More lines are going to experience financial hardship, just as other businesses are, so a shared line should be a positive way forward.

Good idea, but this would need higher speed limits than 40kmh. Regulators such as your ORR would presumably insist on modern safeworking systems, threatening the 'heritage' nature of existing signalling and there'd be many safety hoops, plus a probable need for upgrades to the tracks.
 

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The WSR used to get a lot of coach parties, with one or even two carriages booked out. I bet that market is a lot weaker post-covid

I live in Somerset and my experience is that this summer has been much quieter than was normal i.e. 2019 and before. A friend went to the Lake District in August and got cheap accommodation and said it was quiet everywhere there too. I suspect people have either gone abroad or are worried about the cost of living/can't afford it at all and have stayed at home.
 

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I have watched many WSR trains via the railcams with the first up from Minehead usually poorly patronised but the first down ex Bishops Lydeard sometimes well used.

I just observed the 1000 up and 1015 down crossing at Williton on Tuesday 6 September. The up with the tank loco was early, arriving prior to 1050 hours. The down was unusually late, with loco WSR 'modified' 9351 and six cars arriving at 1112 and departing at 1114. The up then quickly departed at about 1115, 25 minutes late. From the visible side, at least 28 bays in the saloon cars were occupied, indicating good patronage as lots of 'table arrangements' would have two or even more passengers. The car sets had been seven but in the past few days they've been cut to six.

The second trains of the day on the four train timetable seem reasonable, with the down sometimes also well used. But it's highly variable and yes, I've seen plenty of trains with only 10-20 passengers visible. The railcams don't show each side of the centre aisle ex-BR cars so there may be some users that can't be observed.

Better weather days appear to have higher numbers not fewer.

Many seem to use Blue Anchor station with sometimes a dozen boarding or on the down, more than half a dozen alighting but again, it changes widely from day to day.

From Melbourne in Australia, the nine hour time difference means I don't observe the third and fourth trains on a four train day.

The occasional five train days have seen a lightly loaded 1100 down to Minehead.

Running trains must be expensive with labour costs. Are they paying more for coal yet?

I agree if finances are tight, it may be necessary to reduce hours or even sack some administrative staff, difficult as this decision must be to make. Some staff may leave if reduced to part time. Maintenance staff ought be retained if at all possible. How much per annum is the MD/CEO on?

It's a little unfair to compare a heritage line with 500 plus volunteers to 'the real railway' as passengers on the former usually have a more sanguine attitude towards operational problems such as late running. I have not seen much of this although there were problems during the extensive Spring Steam Gala on the Saturday with the Caledonian Railway blue loco resulting in a greatly altered timetable and delayed services on the Saturday.

I hope some forum viewers will patronise WSR and/or donate to its GBP3 million shareholder fund, which doesn't pay a dividend.

On a forthcoming visit to UK shortly, this line is my #1 priority of the heritage operators to experience.
The history of the WSR over the last few years has been acrimonious to say the least, with most of the supporting groups, as well the PLC being involved in litigation or threats thereof. It appears that appeals have not been as successful as hoped.
 

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The WSR used to get a lot of coach parties, with one or even two carriages booked out. I bet that market is a lot weaker post-covid

I live in Somerset and my experience is that this summer has been much quieter than was normal i.e. 2019 and before. A friend went to the Lake District in August and got cheap accommodation and said it was quiet everywhere there too. I suspect people have either gone abroad or are worried about the cost of living/can't afford it at all and have stayed at home.

This summer definitely hasn’t been as manic as the last one. We had a lot of issues getting hotels at short notice last year, but this wasn’t an issue at all this year. Likewise attractions generally not packed.

I suspect it’s absolutely right that it’s a combination of foreign holidays back on and people paring budgets back.

If preserved railways think they are going to be able to continuing selling single journeys at eye-watering prices then they are going to have another think coming. We were thinking of visiting a preserved railway this weekend just gone, but were put off by the heavy emphasis on pre-booking. They were selling compartments (none of which seemed to be sold), however we decided on principle that we were not going to patronise this practice, so decided not to bother at all.
 

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I'm off to the Pontypool & Blaenavon and Brecon Mountain Railways next weekend so will report back.
 

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Then first down (1015 hours ex Bishops Lydeard) just arrived three minutes early at 1303 hours, and looks to be well patronised with 31 bays on the side one could see occupied. Pleasing as it's mid week, and into your autumn.

Rain commenced at 1304 (probably some earlier) while ten minutes ago at Blue Anchor it also looked to have recently rained. The variability in passenger numbers continues, and must be unpredictable if many are walk-ups, not having booked online nor part of road coach parties.

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One wonders just how viable this year‘s much reduced WSR TT has proved to be, with the exceptional long spell of fine ’Beach’ weather this Summer causing a reduction in passenger numbers, the Webcams at several stations along the line have often shown some poorly loaded trains and some very lightly used intermediate stations.

Yesterday was a wet day, but quite good passenger numbers are apparent for WSR in this good video at about 2:20 and on the up at 13:00. Worth watching:

 
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