Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

[SuperLuke2334]

HD01: 12225. 10325. 11323. 12454. 82226
HD02: 12219. 10328. 11324. 12447. 82229
HD03: 12217. 10312. 11325. 12446. 82216

The above are arranged as TSOE, RSB, FOD, TSO, DVT. TSODs 12304, 12315 and 12324 will be inserted at a future date to make them up to 6 vehicles per set, rearranged to the same formation as the ex-GC sets as listed below:

HD04: 12211. 12434. 12310. 10318. 11319. 82201
HD05: 12224. 12477. 12326. 10321. 11320. 82200
HD06: 12222. 12461. 12323. 10330 11321. 82227
HD07: 12210. 12452. 12316. 10301. 11322 82230

The above are arranged as TSOE, TSO, TSOD, RSB, FOD, DVT and were GC sets 1 - 4 respectively.

A spare set is to be made up of randomly selected ex-LNER vehicles, formed in the same way:

HD08: 12215. 12526. 12308. 10305. 11316. 82204

TSOE 12229, RSB 10307 and DVT 82206 were also purchased to be spare parts donor vehicles.

There is also a spare DVT - 82220.

Thanks for the highly comprehensive list, much appreciated.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 13/09 ROG 5Q79 1433 Doncaster Works - Landore TMD
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K33489/2022-09-13/detailed

 

[43102EMR]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned on here yet, but I passed Crewe TMD a few weeks back and saw one of the ex-GC sets. It’s now completely debranded including the removal of the orange stripe.

 

[sd0733]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned on here yet, but I passed Crewe TMD a few weeks back and saw one of the ex-GC sets. It’s now completely debranded including the removal of the orange stripe.

It has, That set has been like that for a few months so is probably buried quite a few pages back.
It is however supposed to be having a coach removed today ready for a test run out on Monday, 10:30ish path Crewe to Hereford. If it passes it should then enter the service pool ready to enable one of HD01-03 shipped off for sdo mods.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

It has, That set has been like that for a few months so is probably buried quite a few pages back.
It is however supposed to be having a coach removed today ready for a test run out on Monday, 10:30ish path Crewe to Hereford. If it passes it should then enter the service pool ready to enable one of HD01-03 shipped off for sdo mods.

That is excellent news! Hopefully I may be able to see it. Will it come via Chester from crewe or via the Crewe to Shrewsbury line?

 

[sd0733]

That is excellent news! Hopefully I may be able to see it. Will it come via Chester from crewe or via the Crewe to Shrewsbury line?

Realtime Trains | 3V78 1024 Crewe C.S. to Hereford | 12/09/2022

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Should be that. Still not cleared via Whitchurch so no option but to follow the route via Chester.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Realtime Trains | 3V78 1024 Crewe C.S. to Hereford | 12/09/2022

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Should be that. Still not cleared via Whitchurch so no option but to follow the route via Chester.

Great thanks. Hopefully clearance work will be underway and complete soon enough. Any ideas on the loco it might be with?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Thanks as always for your helpful information @sd0733

 

[SuperLuke2334]

It has, That set has been like that for a few months so is probably buried quite a few pages back.
It is however supposed to be having a coach removed today ready for a test run out on Monday, 10:30ish path Crewe to Hereford. If it passes it should then enter the service pool ready to enable one of HD01-03 shipped off for sdo mods.

Path has been cancelled for today. Any ideas when it will run now?

 

[sd0733]

Path has been cancelled for today. Any ideas when it will run now?

The set wasnt ready. Worth keeping an eye on RTT but should be one day this week.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

The set wasnt ready. Worth keeping an eye on RTT but should be one day this week.

Thanks for the info. Will keep an eye out seeing as I can get down there any day! Except Wednesday so I hope it doesn't run then!

 

[sd0733]

Thanks for the info. Will keep an eye out seeing as I can get down there any day! Except Wednesday so I hope it doesn't run then!

Afraid looks like it wont be happening now this week now.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Afraid looks like it wont be happening now this week now.

Ah thats a shame. I'm always around the area at the time on weekdays so just keep us posted!

 

[adrock1976]

Picking up on a couple of points:

It has, That set has been like that for a few months so is probably buried quite a few pages back.
It is however supposed to be having a coach removed today ready for a test run out on Monday, 10:30ish path Crewe to Hereford. If it passes it should then enter the service pool ready to enable one of HD01-03 shipped off for sdo mods.

Does the code HD refer to the Mk IV having their "home" depot at Holyhead?

Realtime Trains | 3V78 1024 Crewe C.S. to Hereford | 12/09/2022

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Should be that. Still not cleared via Whitchurch so no option but to follow the route via Chester.

Also, regarding the non clearance for via Whitchurch (Shrops), is this simply a paperwork issue or is it due to the structures along the route?

 

[sd0733]

Picking up on a couple of points:



Does the code HD refer to the Mk IV having their "home" depot at Holyhead?



Also, regarding the non clearance for via Whitchurch (Shrops), is this simply a paperwork issue or is it due to the structures along the route?

Yes, on paper they are all allocated to Holyhead.

Its mostly paperwork i believe but there are a couple of minor alterations to some platforms that need to happen, nothing particularly major.

 

[adrock1976]

Yes, on paper they are all allocated to Holyhead.

Its mostly paperwork i believe but there are a couple of minor alterations to some platforms that need to happen, nothing particularly major.

Many thanks.

 

[craigybagel]

Picking up on a couple of points:



Does the code HD refer to the Mk IV having their "home" depot at Holyhead?

It's really more honourific than anything - the sets are maintained at Canton and Crewe rather than Holyhead, and on internal systems they're allocated to Cardiff diagram numbers

Also, regarding the non clearance for via Whitchurch (Shrops), is this simply a paperwork issue or is it due to the structures along the route?

Yes, on paper they are all allocated to Holyhead.

Its mostly paperwork i believe but there are a couple of minor alterations to some platforms that need to happen, nothing particularly major.

Allegedly the one time a set did go that way it picked up a few scrapes. It should be sorted by next month though ready for proving runs.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 13/09 ROG 5Q79 1433 Doncaster Works - Landore TMD
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K33489/2022-09-13/detailed

37884 82204 11316 12308 12526 10307 12229

Failed Camden Road.

VSTP 14/09 0H72 37510 1204 Derby - Wembley
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:77850/2022-09-14/detailed

VSTP 14/09 5Q79 1758 Wembley Recep 1-7 - Landore TMD
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:77882/2022-09-14/detailed
37510 5 Mk4s 82204 37884 dep 16 early.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Hi all I've just seen today's Landore to Crewe move with 67029 and an ex GC Mk4 set. Does anyone know which set it was please? Numbers of carriages and DVT appreciated.

Also I noticed it was only 4 car, is the 5th being kept at Landore for now?

 

[CaergwrleKen]

Hi all I've just seen today's Landore to Crewe move with 67029 and an ex GC Mk4 set. Does anyone know which set it was please? Numbers of carriages and DVT appreciated.

Also I noticed it was only 4 car, is the 5th being kept at Landore for now?

A photo online shows DVT 82227 so assume HD06?

57L ex Hereford awaiting driver

 

[craigybagel]

Hi all I've just seen today's Landore to Crewe move with 67029 and an ex GC Mk4 set. Does anyone know which set it was please? Numbers of carriages and DVT appreciated.

Also I noticed it was only 4 car, is the 5th being kept at Landore for now?

5 car sets won't be entering service for a while as nobody has been trained on SDO yet so might as well send it up as a 4.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

5 car sets won't be entering service for a while as nobody has been trained on SDO yet so might as well send it up as a 4.

I did think that that might be the case. Is this one also for entering the service pool or is it going up for a different reason?

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A photo online shows DVT 82227 so assume HD06?

57L ex Hereford awaiting driver

Thanks very much, glad it was late so I could catch it!

 

[sd0733]

5 car sets won't be entering service for a while as nobody has been trained on SDO yet so might as well send it up as a 4.

The 4 car sets at Landore have got SDO fitted.
The 5 car sets need a new safety case as 67+5xmk4+dvt isnt a formation used in service so all sets will run as 4coaches to begin with with TOs removed. This will allow them to stop at Abergavenny without the second guard.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

The 4 car sets at Landore have got SDO fitted.
The 5 car sets need a new safety case as 67+5xmk4+dvt isnt a formation used in service so all sets will run as 4coaches to begin with with TOs removed. This will allow them to stop at Abergavenny without the second guard.

Thanks for the explanation, any ideas why this set was sent up to Crewe today?

 

[GWVillager]

Hi all I've just seen today's Landore to Crewe move with 67029 and an ex GC Mk4 set. Does anyone know which set it was please? Numbers of carriages and DVT appreciated.

Also I noticed it was only 4 car, is the 5th being kept at Landore for now?

Oh no, did I miss it? Did it have the orange band removed like the Crewe set?

 

[Caaardiff]

The 4 car sets at Landore have got SDO fitted.
The 5 car sets need a new safety case as 67+5xmk4+dvt isnt a formation used in service so all sets will run as 4coaches to begin with with TOs removed. This will allow them to stop at Abergavenny without the second guard.

The current sets have 4 cars and a second guard. If SDO isn't being used, what's the difference with the new sets that doesn't require a 2nd?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Oh no, did I miss it? Did it have the orange band removed like the Crewe set?

Unfortunately yes, it was only a VSTP. I only happened on it by chance! The orange band was still present, so whether it was heading to Crewe to have it removed or not I don't know.

 

[sd0733]

5 car sets won't be entering service for a while as nobody has been trained on SDO yet so might as well send it up as a 4.

The 4 car sets at Landore have got SDO fitted.
The 5 car sets need a new safety case as 67+5xmk4+dvt isnt a formation used in service so all sets will run as 4coaches to begin with with TOs removed. This will allow them to stop at Abergavenny without the second guard.

The current sets have 4 cars and a second guard. If SDO isn't being used, what's the difference with the new sets that doesn't require a 2nd?

The SDO will be used come December, there wouldnt be enough Guards to have a second one on every other train.

HD06 will likely be used for SDO training for Crewe, Shrewsbury and at a push Holyhead guards.

 

[craigybagel]

The current sets have 4 cars and a second guard. If SDO isn't being used, what's the difference with the new sets that doesn't require a 2nd?

The 4 car sets at Landore have got SDO fitted.
The 5 car sets need a new safety case as 67+5xmk4+dvt isnt a formation used in service so all sets will run as 4coaches to begin with with TOs removed. This will allow them to stop at Abergavenny without the second guard.

The SDO will be used come December, there wouldnt be enough Guards to have a second one on every other train.

HD06 will likely be used for SDO training for Crewe, Shrewsbury and at a push Holyhead guards.

Especially as from December there will be other stations that are too short for a 4 car MKIV set that will be served, and not just the current twice a day Abergavenny calls. Nantwich, Whitchurch, Wem and Leominster are all too short in at least one if not both directions and all are booked to be served.

 

[_toommm_]

The SDO will be used come December, there wouldnt be enough Guards to have a second one on every other train.

HD06 will likely be used for SDO training for Crewe, Shrewsbury and at a push Holyhead guards.

Out of curiosity what type of SDO will it be please? Will it be beacon-based, GPS-based, or a door forward/door in rear type release?

Also what's with the two guards currently needed?