stantheman
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Couple of questions
How long have 351 to 400 left in service ?
When does North Bridge reopen ?
How long have 351 to 400 left in service ?
When does North Bridge reopen ?
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FlybeDash8Q400
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No plans to replace any of the 11 plate Gemini2’s yet.
North Bridge will be a few years away. I’ve heard 2025 before it’s totally finished.
stevenedin
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Judging by the previous age of vehicles being withdrawn it could be anything between 2 and 4 years before they are withdrawn but it depends on how they use them. They may use a few of them in future for the 3 bridges tour
TheEastCoaster
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I get that but why would you have the timetables updated to indicate Leith Walks reopening?
Well let’s hope the 10 remains as it currently is via Bonnington! The 36 is a good route with lots of resources out to it but it does need an alternative! Especially to Leith Walk, can’t comment on the 13 as I’ve never used it.
What I also don’t understand is how they aren’t mentioning the cuts to the express services? the passengers of the X44 heading Tranent bound will be in for a surprise come the 20th if Lothian don’t mention anything.
Theproinsider
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There's no change to the X44.I get that but why would you have the timetables updated to indicate Leith Walks reopening?
Well let’s hope the 10 remains as it currently is via Bonnington! The 36 is a good route with lots of resources out to it but it does need an alternative! Especially to Leith Walk, can’t comment on the 13 as I’ve never used it.
What I also don’t understand is how they aren’t mentioning the cuts to the express services? the passengers of the X44 heading Tranent bound will be in for a surprise come the 20th if Lothian don’t mention anything.
FlybeDash8Q400
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If that is the case there’s a mistake with the national feed then, which while possible is very unusual.
Auld reekie
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2025.
They should’ve just built a new bridge.
FlybeDash8Q400
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If only that were allowed. It would have been faster!
It’s years of neglect that’s meant it’s in such a bad condition. The current work should’ve been done in stages years ago.
Auld reekie
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Absolutely.
computerSaysNo
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I can see the same sort of closures and repair work being needed on South Bridge in the future too.
FlybeDash8Q400
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South Bridge probably isn’t as bad as the bridge itself is much much shorter. The Road name admittedly is somewhat longer than the structure.I can see the same sort of closures and repair work being needed on South Bridge in the future too.
GusB
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Once again we're drifting off-topic. I understand that bus services are affected by the state of the bridges, but it's not the main subject of the thread. Anyone who does wish to discuss it in depth can do so in a separate thread in the Other Transport section of the forum.
Recently reupholstered (minus a handful), repainted, Euro 6 upgraded. End of bus funding last month from Scotgov, only 11 years old.... can't see them going anywhere for a while. We're in different times post covid.
I would have thought that it very sensible not to go public on the Leith Walk changes until the reopening is finally confirmed. There could be slippage and it would be awkward to announce the bus route changes and then have to row back at the last minute.
stevenedin
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It could be that the buses are returned but there could be a temporary traffic light at the bottom of Leith Walk and that they mean that those will be gone and the works are completed by 19th December
ScotRail158725
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They were all done in 2019/20, 351-365 were done in the old style which i think is what you’re mistaking here
Hence "recently", it's not as though they're carrying 11 year old seat fabric and original paint jobs.
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As far as I'm aware they are limited to 50mph. This is both the speed limit for buses on a single carriageway road and the limit for buses not fitted with seatbelts on any road.
Presumably the limiter could be modified to operate at 62mph as per seatbelt-fitted coaches, were a B5TL to be produced with seatbelts, but as far as I'm aware this hasn't happened yet. The manufacturer (in this case Volvo) will also have a hard limit on the chassis as it will only have been designed to operate up to a given speed.
Disclaimer: not a driver, not an engineer.
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, I might be wrong on the limit for buses without seatbelts as I'm sure I remember travelling on a B8RLE at faster than 50mph with no seatbelts. I'd have to look it up to confirm got definite though.
alexf380
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The East Coast B8RLEs are limited to (and can easily achieve) 60mph, so there's a good chance you were going faster than 50 if you were on a dual carriageway.
LothianBusesPh
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50 mph.
66-95 are limited to 57mph
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The EastCoast B8RLEs are limited to 90kph (56mph). The B7RLEs look to also go up to 56mph if I recall correctly, correct me if inaccurate. From what it looks like, all newer deckers (bar 291-294, 45mph) are limited to 50mph. 926-950 at 56mph. Perhaps LC ex Londons at 56 too?
80kph is 50mph.
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And they stroll along doing their limit without a care in the world, only to be slowly passed by Borders' belted E200 MMCs doing 60/62?mph whilst screaming for their lives.
Typo.
Some are 50, others 45.
computerSaysNo
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That sounds about right, based on my experience with other members of the ex-City vehicles.
It all seems very inconsistent, based on the quoted comments below.
I suppose electric vehicles might be limited for energy use purposes, but with only four in the fleet I'm surprised they're not just set to 50mph for consistency.
Really?
That must be fun!
Why are they set higher?Again just seems a bit inconsistent
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ScotRail158725
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The Ex London B9s are 50mph at most some 45
AFAIK 291-294 (and all other E400EVs) have a top speed of about 45
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Bear in mind the Ex London stock has spent time in slow urban environments so were probably set to 50 in their time down south. Not that Lothians native ones are any different all i’m saying is it could’ve been preferance of different operatorsReally?
That must be fun!
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Id be intrigued to know the speed they’d be able to get up to without a limiter, same with all bus types. I know theres some unlimited B7s with First Glasgow which were capable of 80mph
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JumpinTrainz
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Can I ask what the purpose of limiting buses speed is for?