Peterthegreat
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Like many places on the Northern network today there was no booked service on the CLC.
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Incredibly, TfW is the only TOC running from Manchester to Crewe today. The last train is at 17:30! The inward is running nearly an hour late and I believe it's a 150. Hopefully people checked the return times before heading to the shops.
Pathetic isn't it?
And I see that tomorrow there are lots of cancellations again, including the 0813 that I need to get from West Allerton to Lime Street so I can go to work!
Peterthegreat
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Totally agree. I wonder if Northern are testing the water for cuts in May.
CaptainHaddock
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How do Northern get away with it? Today's not a strike day yet they seem to be able to just decide they can't be bothered to run any trains on some lines and only provide a skeletal service on others.
Andy Pacer
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Would appear it didn't make it to Manchester
Realtime Trains | 1Z60 1357 Cardiff Central to Crewe | 27/12/2022
Real-time train running information for 1Z60 1357 departure from Cardiff Central to Crewe on 27/12/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Peterthegreat
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I really don't know. They have now taken to cancelling trains the day before and can't be bothered to tell people. Northern are an absolute disgrace.
Where is the so called "Rail Regulator"?
Dr Hoo
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Does the Office of Rail and Road actually 'regulate' individual passenger operators on this sort of late timetable change stuff? I thought that the operators (other than Open Access) were 'regulated' by the DfT although I have never understood how OLR TOCs might differ from the various other types of arrangement.
'Emergency timetables' are nothing particularly new. For example, for ongoing disruption such as after a landslip, flooding or an incident like the Carlisle Petteril Bridge derailment a new timetable could be uploaded before 2200 the day before. This has been going on for years.
Even back in BR days we had things like 'Black Days' during the leaf fall season with stations like Witley on the Portsmouth Direct line being 'non-stopped' on days when heavy rain or gales were forecast. This was obviously before modern methods of communication like the internet and social media.
I agree that the scale of such 'previous evening' changes has greatly increased though.
I have got into the habit of checking and re-checking my intended trains both the evening before and on the day ever since sites like RTT became a thing. Fortunately, being retired and having a car, I can often decide not to travel or drive instead. I realise that not everyone has those alternatives.
Killingworth
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They haven't a prayer of running a full service on a Bank Holiday in the current industrial relations climate when it relies so heavily on overtime to achieve it. I'm sure management are very bothered but for all the reasons set out in this and other threads will find it very expensive to resolve all the complex issues involved. For that their hands are tied.
That is more than unfortunate because Northern's revenue seems to be holding up better post-Covid than other TOCs.
matthewjohnson
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What are the chances of a service running on the 2nd? Looks OK at the moment but who knows in the current climate
No such thing as Bank Holidays on Northern they are just normal working days.. It's Management that has decided not to run trains today, all Drivers, Guards, Station Staff etc all reported for duty at their normal times.
Killingworth
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In that case it is totally ridiculous and needs a specific explanation. No Northern trains between Sheffield and Manchester and services by TPE and EMR very severely restricted.
Peterthegreat
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I will be asking my MP to get a detailed explanation from Northern. I have also been told from reliable sources the staff are coming in and getting paid normally. (as they should be). Given Northern are directly operated by the Government I can think of no valid reason to waste taxpayers money in this way!
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It's been stated previously that Northern's lack of service on the day following a NR strike is due to lack of planning resource to amend the schedules, as no signalling staff are available until after 6am, which affects a lot of ECS moves for the day's service.
Quite why Northern don't seem to have this planning capability, but other TOCs do, is unknown.
Presumably the amended diagrams from NR strikes during the May - December 2022 timetable period cannot be carried over.
Quite why Northern don't seem to have this planning capability, but other TOCs do, is unknown.
Presumably the amended diagrams from NR strikes during the May - December 2022 timetable period cannot be carried over.
They've given up on that part of the CLC. You have to use Merseyrail or get the bus. I fully expect the Lime Street-Warrington Central hourly trains to be gone altogether by May or next December because they never run them.
Vespa
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Quite a few services from Liverpool Lime Street were cancelled, according to RTT I've not seen any services to Wigan, St Helens or Prescot, some Manchester Airport service were cancelled, TPE and LNWR had a few cancellations of their own as well.
Merseyrail is running without any problems.
Not a good day if you are dependent on trains, in the greater Merseyside area at least Stagecoach and Arriva were able to plug the gaps to get people around, no good if you want to go much further you would have to swap buses from one area to another.
Merseyrail is running without any problems.
Not a good day if you are dependent on trains, in the greater Merseyside area at least Stagecoach and Arriva were able to plug the gaps to get people around, no good if you want to go much further you would have to swap buses from one area to another.
Surprised and disappointed Northern hasn’t bothered to run anything Leeds - Bradford - Halifax - Manchester (Calder Valley) on 27th given that it’s regarded as a lucrative and busy route. You’d think they could at least get a basic hourly service going by the afternoon. Same was the case on 24 Dec when you’d think they could have run something basic up to mid afternoon rather than nothing.
The only trains to serve Halifax were a couple of Grand Central Bradford Int to London services.
The only trains to serve Halifax were a couple of Grand Central Bradford Int to London services.
You've got TPE at Warrington.... Oh wait, yeah I see your point
Over an extended period there does seem to have been multiple issues which suggest an underlying lack of competence and attention to detail at Northern.
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Don't rely on much Northern before the 9th apart from today until Friday.
After then, hopefully much better.
After then, hopefully much better.
CHESHIRECAT
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No Northern services on Crewe line yesterday; fall out from strike?
TFW only had 2 or 3 car sets on the Piccadilly/ Shrewsbury service so everything rammed
No service to Wilmslow/Crewe between 1630 and 2230; the 2230 was replacement bus!
TFW only had 2 or 3 car sets on the Piccadilly/ Shrewsbury service so everything rammed
No service to Wilmslow/Crewe between 1630 and 2230; the 2230 was replacement bus!
My regular train on CLC still hasn't run once since the timetable change. I don't hold much hope for the 9th although the whole service is unusable until then.
CaptainHaddock
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Do you have inside information or is that just a hopeful aspiration? What will change after the 9th of January?
Its the end of the overtime ban I presume. Northern is unusable with that in place, strikes or no strikes.
D6130
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Only on the North-Western side. Things seem to be running fairly well here on the East side of the hill, looking at RTT. Different terms and conditions.
Iskra
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Think I’ll drive to the football today…
D6130
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Oh dear! We must be lucky here on the Calder Valley Line!
I wonder whether the cancellations on the Barnsley line might be connected with the NR signallers' overtime and rest day working ban?
I wonder whether the cancellations on the Barnsley line might be connected with the NR signallers' overtime and rest day working ban?
RMTs overtime ban ends on 2nd January. Strike action by RMT and ASLEF has been announced for 3rd to 7th January.
The biggest problems with Northerns reliability is driver shortages. This will continue past the 9th as ASLEF have no rest day agreement in place (effectively a rest day ban), although in the first few weeks of the year there is usually a lot less annual leave taken so things are likely to be a bit better than in the run up to Xmas.
The biggest problems with Northerns reliability is driver shortages. This will continue past the 9th as ASLEF have no rest day agreement in place (effectively a rest day ban), although in the first few weeks of the year there is usually a lot less annual leave taken so things are likely to be a bit better than in the run up to Xmas.
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