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Woking - Basingstoke (near Hook) landslip (15/01/23)

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Further issues this morning as "liquid mud" has flowed onto the line between Chertsey and Weybridge, been boiled by the 3rd rail, and caused a line block.
Did the liquid mud by any chance come from the adjacent sewage works, which may have been flooded due to the heavy rainfall? If so, it may be rather less pleasant than ordinary mud! However looking on the bright side, if that were the case and it has been boiled by the third rail, at least the germs will have been exterminated.
 
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Slewing the track was something I thought of as well.

Around 15 years ago the River Crane culvert under the line between Feltham and Feltham junction collapsed due to heavy rain and it only took about a week to slew both track across into the old marshalling yard (now Feltham depot), ie not even existing trackbed, so normal services could be resumed while a new culvert was built. It really was a most impressive effort.
Or, as NR choose to spell it (archaically) on many of their track-side notices; 'slueing'!
 

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I did something similar near Feltham when a a bridge over a river partly failed a decade or so ago albeit onto a redundant foration that used to run into the marshalling yard. If you can pick locations that are clear of signal sighting distances you wouldn't need to change anything on the track circuit and to keep limits of deviation down just stick a 20ESR over the affected area.

Its only worth doing if the earthworks solution is going to take longer than a week to sort as you would need 18-24hrs possession to implement it.
It sounds as if it might be useful, at next resignalling, to provide the arrangement that exists on the recently 4 tracked stretch of the Trent Valley line - make the fast lines bidirectional.
 

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It sounds as if it might be useful, at next resignalling, to provide the arrangement that exists on the recently 4 tracked stretch of the Trent Valley line - make the fast lines bidirectional.
Or go straight to ETCS and make all 4 bidi for a fraction of the cost.
 

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Spot on the industry is really letting itself down here when there are some obvious rail alternatives via Reading or via Portsmouth however extended at least shows an attempt to support passengers who need to get from A to B.
Absolutely - this is the latest example of poor information and the railway just giving up rather than working to provide alternative services over existing rail troutes. More fragmentation 'benefits'.
 

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I’m presuming that it’s only one train country bound on the UF between Farnborough and Basingstoke at any time so limiting to 2tph max.
Make that one train every two hours currently hopefully as the week progresses the box, pilotman and drivers will get into the swing of it so they can deliver 1tph at least.
 

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Surprised it hasn't blown something by now.

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Make that one train every two hours currently hopefully as the week progresses the box, pilotman and drivers will get into the swing of it so they can deliver 1tph at least.
I doubt if they'll bother given the excuse of 'Act of God'. That's today's railway mantra - 'if in doubt, give up'.
 

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It used to be the case that tickets to London from Southampton westwards were valid on every route going, such as via Havant and Guildford or even via Brighton. Add in via Basingstoke and Reading and you've got a marvellous range of (slow) choices. The problem might be the SWR services west of Southampton still being chaotic.
Line flooded, track circuits down Sway and Brockenhurst area
 

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Basingstoke stoppers are gone completely.
Southampton/Pompey via Winchester loose Fleet, Hook and Winchfield but retain Farnborough.
Weymouths look to remain on the Main as Pompey line said to be running normal service tomorrow.

So looks like an attempt at 4tph in each direction.

I don't know the area well, but I have a vague recollection that many years ago I was on a service disrupted by planned works which left Woking platform 2, and went wrong line down the up fast all the way to Basingstoke. I know its not signaled to do it but is it physically possible? or my memory playing tricks again!
Is there any particular reason why the eastbound ex-Soton/Pompey semi-fast trains can’t stop at Hook, Winchfield and Fleet if they’re on the unaffected up slow line? For passengers wanting to go west it could just be a case of doubling back at Farnborough (or changing at Basingstoke if heading from the London direction), much better than forcing them to seek alternative transport.
 

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Where do you think they can get spare buses and drivers from on a weekday? Bus services all around are being cancelled due to driver shortages, and even without that those drivers and buses/weren't sitting around doing nothing waiting for a handy train disruption to occur.
Fair enough if that's the genuine reason. However, even now, there are usually buses and drivers available (between school runs or private hire work) who can turn out at short notice. The issue may not be the severe shortage of drivers as such, more a reluctance by the railway to pay out for emergency bus availability.
 

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Is there any particular reason why the eastbound ex-Soton/Pompey semi-fast trains can’t stop at Hook, Winchfield and Fleet if they’re on the unaffected up slow line? For passengers wanting to go west it could just be a case of doubling back at Farnborough (or changing at Basingstoke if heading from the London direction), much better than forcing them to seek alternative transport.
Comments upthread suggest that the trains wouldn't have capacity - not to mention the delays into Waterloo on a rather busy route.
And until the Down service gets into some sort of order they would struggle to get back anyway.
 

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Really very few trains have got through the affected section. Possibly 1tph this afternoon. I may be deluding myself but there seems to be around 2tph between Basingstoke and Portsmouth Harbour this pm. Not much logic to the services running but with all the problems including flooding, it must be a massive organisational headache.
 

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They have been trying to run the xx05 Weymouth services via Farnborough. However due to the other weather related issues at Sway etc. there has been a lack of trains at Waterloo meaning a number have been cancelled north of Bournemouth.

The delay time on the trains through the affected section seem to be reducing. Delay times below are net delay between Woking and Basingstoke - most trains ran late to begin with and this has been ignored.

0630 43 First train, sat at Woking for 105 minutes!
0805 91
0905 69
1005 Canx
1105 Canx
1205 51
1305 Canx
1405 44
1505 Canx
1605 40 late and counting. Currently sat at Farnborough P1 waiting to go South.

There appears to be an issue though as 1W64 has been sent London bound on the UF, which 1W73 is waiting to use.
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If opentraintimes is correct 1W73 appears to have come country-bound down the US whilst two services have used the UF london-bound.
 

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It sounds as if it might be useful, at next resignalling, to provide the arrangement that exists on the recently 4 tracked stretch of the Trent Valley line - make the fast lines bidirectional.
That and the Rugby remodelling was an absolute godsend when it was done. Endless possibilities!
 

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If the DS was used, it would avoid the need for a final slow speed maneuver from Farnborough P1 to the DF. Would it then be possible to implement temporary block working - platform to platform on the DS to increase throughput?
 

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If opentraintimes is correct 1W73 appears to have come country-bound down the US whilst two services have used the UF london-bound.
it did three been sent on the UF in the last 45mins so hopefully have the stock/crew at Waterloo to get the hourly service back on track
 

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I was at Bournmouth this morning and there seemed to be no liason between SWR and NatExpress. SWR just telling people to go to NatExpress ticket office and buy a coach ticket. I would have thought that the least they could do would be to have an SWR person at the ticket office helping people. They did seem to be helping people with taxis though. NatExpress people were very helpful, managed to get me a spare seat on a coach to London so I could get my booked train at St Pancras.
 

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Bus companies are having to cancel their own scheduled services on a daily basis due to a shortage of drivers so very unlikely they’d be able to source buses - they don’t grow on a magic tree.
Yet Southeastern have managed to put on replacement buses between Swanley and Rochester today.
 

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Bus companies are having to cancel their own scheduled services on a daily basis due to a shortage of drivers so very unlikely they’d be able to source buses - they don’t grow on a magic tree.

Maybe if SWR contacted the local schools to ask which companies provided school transport, they could find a few coach companies who might be able to help them out for at least part of the day.
 

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Yet Southeastern have managed to put on replacement buses between Swanley and Rochester today.

The problems seem particularly critical with regard to bus drivers in the Surrey / Hants areas.

Just because buses are available in Kent doesn’t mean they will be available in Hampshire.
 

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Maybe if SWR contacted the local schools to ask which companies provided school transport, they could find a few coach companies who might be able to help them out for at least part of the day.
A lot of local schools that would need contacting, and most of these companies will be helping out with school runs.
 

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The problems seem particularly critical with regard to bus drivers in the Surrey / Hants areas.

Just because buses are available in Kent doesn’t mean they will be available in Hampshire.
There are driver shortages in Kent. I wonder if someone TOC's use it as an excuse not to bother?
 

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To me I'd serve the stations between Basingstoke and Woking in the Up Direction only and allow people to double back especially if there are bus shortages (which don't surprise me by the way) and run Down services via the Up Fast. A Half Hourly service wrong road (or maybe less) on the Up Fast is better than nothing, just make sure they are full length trains.
 

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Tuesday plan

Weymouth - Basingstoke
Portsmouth - Basingstoke
Exeter St Davids/Salisbury - Basingstoke
Basingstoke - Waterloo stoppers cancelled
Basingstoke - Woking shuttle calling at Farnborough Main and Brookwood
Hook, Winchfield or Fleet to remain closed
 

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Tuesday plan

Weymouth - Basingstoke
Portsmouth - Basingstoke
Exeter St Davids/Salisbury - Basingstoke
Basingstoke - Waterloo stoppers cancelled
Basingstoke - Woking shuttle calling at Farnborough Main and Brookwood
Hook, Winchfield or Fleet to remain closed
so through workings pulled? thus necessitating two changes to get to London with no connections of course
 

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so through workings pulled? thus necessitating two changes to get to London with no connections of course
Yes - no through services.

On Tuesday 17 January, there will be no through trains to London Waterloo from Exeter, Salisbury, Weymouth, Bournemouth, Southampton, Winchester or Portsmouth via Eastleigh (or stops on those lines)

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With weather related problems still arising this evening, I'm guessing rolling stock is not where it was meant to be. A day with a simple train plan gives them at least breathing space to regroup.

Hopefully the shuttle service should give them a chance to work out a better solution to 40+ min delay on each 'Farnborough shuffle'.

The Pompey and Alton's will have a nice clear run on the mainline east of Woking tomorrow.
 
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Tuesday plan

Weymouth - Basingstoke
Portsmouth - Basingstoke
Exeter St Davids/Salisbury - Basingstoke
Basingstoke - Waterloo stoppers cancelled
Basingstoke - Woking shuttle calling at Farnborough Main and Brookwood
Hook, Winchfield or Fleet to remain closed
It's amazing how these plans can be pulled together and resourced now, but it was impossible to do in a similar timeframe when strikes were cancelled...
 

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so through workings pulled? thus necessitating two changes to get to London with no connections of course
The delays were massive today so can understand the lack of through trains. Are the Salisbury line trains still going to Reading though?
 
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