Avanti - Trainee Train Drivers - Multiple Locations (28/02/23)

[User7]

The only thing ive received was an email Saturday just gone saying about a 28 day wait or something ?

Yeah I had that email to on Saturday mate

 

[wasaconductor]

Euston applicant here just received my email for next stage in watford also.
I honestly thought I couldve done better on vse I mean I know I couldve yet I'm still through so fingers crossed all.

 

[Chippychips]

If both a passes that’s going to be ok. But if you failed a CBI after passing the MMI would they still accept it?.

I personally doubt they'd accept after failing, hence why I said valid CBI and MMI.
But it's not impossible. Its discretionary. The TOC that accepts MMI can decide (as they don't use CBI but would have seen on record that you had passed an MMI previously) to accept your previously overwritten MMI pass. Its technically will still fall within the parameters as they are different tests. But I dont think (and this is just my opinion btw) they would accept as they are the same 'type' of test. (Structured Interview).

The reason why no-one (including the OPC) can give a definitive answer to this question is because theres a huge grey area involved. And that grey area is called "discretion".

 

[IW22]

Well ,did my VSE and M7SJT test on Wednesday last week for Liverpool and heard nowt as of yet.
They Certainly know how to keep you wondering if ..........

 

[kajojek3232]

Just thought I’d update everyone. I got invited to Watford for 13th of April! Applicant for Euston and did my tests last Friday.

 

[Spincity]

I personally doubt they'd accept after failing, hence why I said valid CBI and MMI.
But it's not impossible. Its discretionary. The TOC that accepts MMI can decide (as they don't use CBI but would have seen on record that you had passed an MMI previously) to accept your previously overwritten MMI pass. Its technically will still fall within the parameters as they are different tests. But I dont think (and this is just my opinion btw) they would accept as they are the same 'type' of test. (Structured Interview).

The reason why no-one (including the OPC) can give a definitive answer to this question is because theres a huge grey area involved. And that grey area is called "discretion".

It’s not a grey area..it’s for the individual TOCs policy. However I doubt many (if any) would accept an MMI if failed the CBI after. I think it’s candidates responsibility to confirm the impact and not blame TOCs/assessments centres not telling them. People wouldn’t go for a job at Tesco and expect Tesco to tell them about the recruitment process of Sainsbury’s…if they did it would’ve quickly followed by closing the door on the way out

 

[IW22]

Just thought I’d update everyone. I got invited to Watford for 13th of April! Applicant for Euston and did my tests last Friday.

Well done mate

 

[Spincity]

Thank you for the reply. I hope you succeed in your application.

I will if I am sifted question the process regardless of the situation. I applied for avanti before all else so that is the toc I would like to work for. Premium toc in the current climate, its more they are the highest paying toc compared to theirs. Yet I do understand some people just want to be a driver regardless of the company.

Have re read your post, you blame others for potentially not progressing through the process because your motivation is financial not the role. I wish you luck in your career, but you may well find the career is very long and tedious if you are chasing ££££.

 

[SGriffin]

Just thought I’d update everyone. I got invited to Watford for 13th of April! Applicant for Euston and did my tests last Friday.

Same here for Watford on the 13th. Good luck!

 

[Shinigami]

I personally doubt they'd accept after failing, hence why I said valid CBI and MMI.
But it's not impossible. Its discretionary. The TOC that accepts MMI can decide (as they don't use CBI but would have seen on record that you had passed an MMI previously) to accept your previously overwritten MMI pass. Its technically will still fall within the parameters as they are different tests. But I dont think (and this is just my opinion btw) they would accept as they are the same 'type' of test. (Structured Interview).

The reason why no-one (including the OPC) can give a definitive answer to this question is because theres a huge grey area involved. And that grey area is called "discretion".

I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but I asked OPC staff while I was there during my assessment and was explicitly told that you can’t have both simultaneous because they overwrite each other.

If you have a CBI pass and then take an MMI, you CBI now turns to a fail and it needs to be retaken and visa versa. It wasn’t clear if that was considered one of your “lives” if I’m honest. That part wasn’t elaborated on. But, it’s pretty clear that you can’t have both as they have constantly rejected applicants even when they have had a pass.

Maybe there is some form of discretion with certain TOCs or maybe some kind of “fine print” but honestly, it’s terrible advice to give to people. I personally wouldn’t advise people to risk their current passes on a potential for another Toc that they might not even want anyway.

My advice is to just see an application through and if it doesn’t work out or if you’ve been waiting for years like some people have, then sure, give it another go. Just don’t be to eager and focus on one application at a time, one step at a time and be patient. This process can take years, it’s not nice but that’s the reality

 

[jdm365sito]

Well ,did my VSE and M7SJT test on Wednesday last week for Liverpool and heard nowt as of yet.
They Certainly know how to keep you wondering if ..........

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Same here, both done last Wednesday still waiting. All we can do is wait. No way to guess a pattern as people wait and people get them 3 days later
Good luck!!

 

[IW22]

Same here, both done last Wednesday still waiting. All we can do is wait. No way to guess a pattern as people wait and people get them 3 days later
Good luck!!

Just wonder if its done in marking bands (95%+,90%+,80%+) ,but again who knows how they mark and what Avanti's actually criteria is?
Hopefully we'll hear either way soon , and good luck to you too buddy

 

[Gc85]

Looks like they are prioritising certain locations over others

 

[kajojek3232]

Well done mate

Thank you!

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Same here for Watford on the 13th. Good luck!

I will see you there. Good luck too!

 

[y4d344]

Just thought I’d update everyone. I got invited to Watford for 13th of April! Applicant for Euston and did my tests last Friday.

congratulations! how did you find the tests?

 

[Driver_Nik]

Congratulations to all so far who have progressed.

Does anybody know how old the psychometrics can be for avanti. Mine are 2.5 years old passed at advanced level. I don’t mind redoing them but I’d rather not (I understand I’ll have to re-do the interview).

Also, has anybody from Manchester managed to get passed the first stage?

 

[kajojek3232]

congratulations! how did you find the tests?

I hated the M7SJT with passion - it felt like some of the questions didn’t have an obvious least and most appropriate answer and if threw me of a few times.

The VSE I really enjoyed it was really well done and challenging yes, but certainly not impossible.

 

[Decentboi]

Just thought I’d sign up with a little update, as I’ve been touching in and out of this thread through my own application process.

Applied for Euston, did the initial sift and then my SJT and VSE last week.

Was CONVINCED I’d binned the VSE. Thought stage 1 was clearly too easy and must’ve missed something, definitely made 4-5 mistakes in part 2 and thought part 3 was an absolute car crash of missed errors in the loop and mistakes on the symbol matching.

Got invited to the next stage this afternoon. So I wouldn’t stress yourself too much until you hear back, as people have said. You really do appear to be in the running until you hear you’re not.

Well done, congrats mate. All the best for the next stage

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Just thought I’d sign up with a little update, as I’ve been touching in and out of this thread through my own application process.

Applied for Euston, did the initial sift and then my SJT and VSE last week.

Was CONVINCED I’d binned the VSE. Thought stage 1 was clearly too easy and must’ve missed something, definitely made 4-5 mistakes in part 2 and thought part 3 was an absolute car crash of missed errors in the loop and mistakes on the symbol matching.

Got invited to the next stage this afternoon. So I wouldn’t stress yourself too much until you hear back, as people have said. You really do appear to be in the running until you hear you’re not.

I hated the M7SJT with passion - it felt like some of the questions didn’t have an obvious least and most appropriate answer and if threw me of a few times.

The VSE I really enjoyed it was really well done and challenging yes, but certainly not impossible.

What are the next steps/stages left now? Any idea? I have applied for Euston done my 5 initial test in first week of March and did M7SJT and VSE on 26th March(Sunday) when deadline was today(29th March) but haven’t had any response. Fingers crossed

 

[Shinigami]

I’m removing myself from the convo as to not take away anymore from this thread

 

[Spincity]

(I’m removing myself from the convo as to not take away anymore from this thread)b

likewise. Good luck to everyone. It’s a tough long journey but worthwhile career. As can be seen the forums can be helpful, supportive but also confusing. Please don’t rely on the forum, speak to the TOC. Good night

 

[y4d344]

I hated the M7SJT with passion - it felt like some of the questions didn’t have an obvious least and most appropriate answer and if threw me of a few times.

The VSE I really enjoyed it was really well done and challenging yes, but certainly not impossible.

I found the VSE very challenging, but I remember recovering from a lot from the mistakes on part 3. part 1 and 2 was quite straight forward. Did you receive the 28day email after completing the assessments?

 

[GPR]

Yep, for Liverpool.

Good to hear people are still having the VSE and M7 tests then as I’d seen Liverpool applicants had deadlines for 24th.
OPC must still be sifting through applications.
Good luck

 

[Plob]

Have re read your post, you blame others for potentially not progressing through the process because your motivation is financial not the role. I wish you luck in your career, but you may well find the career is very long and tedious if you are chasing ££££.

I have never once said I'm chasing for financial gain. I responded to another user who said avanti were a premium toc, to which I replied they were in fact the highest paying train company to staff.
Not once have I said I wanted to join them for financial gain. Please don't take things out of context. And I'm not blaming others, I'm merely debating why through successfully passing testing I would be sifted based on 1 element of that testing and asking that I should be given the choice to sit the cbi even though I know it may affect my result.

 

[Spincity]

I have never once said I'm chasing for financial gain. I responded to another user who said avanti were a premium toc, to which I replied they were in fact the highest paying train company to staff.
Not once have I said I wanted to join them for financial gain. Please don't take things out of context. And I'm not blaming others, I'm merely debating why through successfully passing testing I would be sifted based on 1 element of that testing and asking that I should be given the choice to sit the cbi even though I know it may affect my result.

Ok. Going back to process. You cannot sit any part of the assessment paper/VTS/interview within 6 months. I’m afraid the choice is with the candidate not an assessor. This isn’t about choice it’s about process. Interesting complaint that you were successful for an application to a TOC and now you want to complain. I’m ending now.

 

[Plob]

Ok. Going back to process. You cannot sit any part of the assessment paper/VTS/interview within 6 months. I’m afraid the choice is with the candidate not an assessor. This isn’t about choice it’s about process. Interesting complaint that you were successful for an application to a TOC and now you want to complain. I’m ending now.

Thank you. I'm beginning to notice on this thread as with how people come across in text that people are taken out of context and almost come across as confrontational.

You are right I was successful and the role was withdrawn due to training and facilities issues. So all I've done since my original thread is question the mmi to cbi issue for people who have completed all the assessments. (Regardless of time frame of completion).

I know the moderators have stepped in on this thread as it seems to be getting out of hand with sniping and panicking. I regret asking the question because its seems to have such a far reaching reaction from some of the group. Like everyone else I wish you the best of luck with your journey into these vacancies.

 

[Penny]

Also, has anybody from Manchester managed to get passed the first stage?

Hi, as far as I'm aware nobody who applied to Manchester, at least on this forum got further than the initial 5 assessments, which I find interesting.

That said, I'm guessing that forum members only make up a small percentage of the overall Manc applicants so who knows?!

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I've been mulling over the whole application process and I actually think, and I'm being genuinely serious here by the way, that the toughest question to answer was why you want to work for Avanti.

Of course I made up some guff as I felt that "err no idea, because you're piss poor in literally every area aside from salary and traction" would have been frowned upon and I'm also pretty certain that " I want to drive 390's" wouldn't have cut the mustard either.

I personally would struggle if I was at interview stage and I had to sit there in front of the DTM's spouting a load of untruths, knowing that they are perfectly aware that I am indeed spouting untruths

Virgin would have been a different story as there were multiple reasons anyone would want to work for them. Not being embarrassed to wear the uniform for a start...

 

[Harvinder]

Guys on the Group Bourdon, I have managed to get 10 - 11 lines with 0 - 2 errors. Is this ok?

 

[Driver_Nik]

Hi, as far as I'm aware nobody who applied to Manchester, at least on this forum got further than the initial 5 assessments, which I find interesting.

That said, I'm guessing that forum members only make up a small percentage of the overall Manc applicants so who knows?!

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I've been mulling over the whole application process and I actually think, and I'm being genuinely serious here by the way, that the toughest question to answer was why you want to work for Avanti.

Of course I made up some guff as I felt that "err no idea, because you're piss poor in literally every area aside from salary and traction" would have been frowned upon and I'm also pretty certain that " I want to drive 390's" wouldn't have cut the mustard either.

I personally would struggle if I was at interview stage and I had to sit there in front of the DTM's spouting a load of untruths, knowing that they are perfectly aware that I am indeed spouting untruths

Virgin would have been a different story as there were multiple reasons anyone would want to work for them. Not being embarrassed to wear the uniform for a start...

Thank you for getting back to me.

I’m guessing the priority depots are being sorted first then they’ll move onto the ones that aren’t so desperate for staff.

I really struggled with that question also, especially due to it being an optional question.

I want to move away from my TOC and start afresh somewhere else driving different trains.

I hope all goes well for you!

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Guys on the Group Bourdon, I have managed to get 10 - 11 lines with 0 - 2 errors. Is this ok?

Are you doing it on paper rather than online.

10-11 lines is great and the errors are also really low. I remember thinking when I did mine how much easier their group bourdon was as it was so much clearer and really easy to spot the groups of 4, I think I remember there being 3 patterns of 4 and I just looked for them.

 

[Penny]

Thank you for getting back to me.

I’m guessing the priority depots are being sorted first then they’ll move onto the ones that aren’t so desperate for staff.

I really struggled with that question also, especially due to it being an optional question.

I want to move away from my TOC and start afresh somewhere else driving different trains.

I hope all goes well for you!

No problem and thank you!

All the best in your future career

 

[kajojek3232]

Guys on the Group Bourdon, I have managed to get 10 - 11 lines with 0 - 2 errors. Is this ok?

No one knows really.

Is that a practise run or the real test?