EMR Class 170 updates

[Liam L]

It’s only 501,505,506,507 & 516 left with WMT until May.

Ah cheers, I’ve been given the incorrect list

 

[Pippy1505]

Next 170 expected from TFW on 01/04/2023 with a further unit expected on 08/04/2023

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Next 170 expected from TFW on 01/04/2023 with a further unit expected on 08/04/2023

Many thanks for this. Have we any idea which specific ones at this stage?

 

[animationmilo]

Next 170 expected from TFW on 01/04/2023 with a further unit expected on 08/04/2023

Thanks. I thought TFW were trying to keep all 8 due to the shortage of 175s

 

[dk1]

Sorry to be pedantic but 170201-208 & 270-273 were in GA livery rather than TfW.

 

[170UTD]

Thanks. I thought TFW were trying to keep all 8 due to the shortage of 175s

They've probably not being able to keep all of them given that EMR also need them for the summer timetable. While I don't know anything, I can easily see a situation where EMR get 4 and TfW keep 4 for the time being.

 

[Jez]

They've probably not being able to keep all of them given that EMR also need them for the summer timetable. While I don't know anything, I can easily see a situation where EMR get 4 and TfW keep 4 for the time being.

If TFW are able to keep 4 at least they will be able to cover most of the Maesteg to Cheltenham's which are supposed to be 175s from May TT change.

 

[170UTD]

If TFW are able to keep 4 at least they will be able to cover most of the Maesteg to Cheltenham's which are supposed to be 175s from May TT change.

Seems like sensible scenario then, but given this is the DfT controlling this, who knows?

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This looks like it might be the path for the next TfW 170, strange that RTT only has it running to Derby though and that it's stopping at every station on the way. Unless it's an XC 170 on some kind of training run?

Realtime Trains | 5M60 1059 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Derby | 01/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 5M60 1059 departure from Cardiff Canton Sidings to Derby on 01/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Pippy1505]

Seems like sensible scenario then, but given this is the DfT controlling this, who knows?

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This looks like it might be the path for the next TfW 170, strange that RTT only has it running to Derby though and that it's stopping at every station on the way. Unless it's an XC 170 on some kind of training run?

Realtime Trains | 5M60 1059 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Derby | 01/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 5M60 1059 departure from Cardiff Canton Sidings to Derby on 01/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This is the move - ROG moving to Derby station only where EMR driver will take onto Etches Park

 

[170UTD]

This is the move - ROG moving to Derby station only where EMR driver will take onto Etches Park

Thanks

 

[animationmilo]

What set is going Out of 201 to 208

 

[Pippy1505]

suspicion unit is 170201 TBC

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Change of Plan unit will be 170205

 

[Caaardiff]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K05242/2023-04-01/detailed

170205 on its way.

 

[Liam L]

Saw it through at Northfield

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I’m assuming it will be able to begin service up there almost immediately?

 

[45076]

I’m assuming it will be able to begin service up there almost immediately?

A reliable source from the ROSCO told me it needs a raft change before it can work

 

[Skymonster]

A reliable source from the ROSCO told me it needs a raft change before it can work

… because of course a unit that was working in Wales one week can’t possibly be suitable to work in the East Midlands the following week… Sheesh, the MDTR really doesn’t help itself, does it!

 

[LowLevel]

… because of course a unit that was working in Wales one week can’t possibly be suitable to work in the East Midlands the following week… Sheesh, the MDTR really doesn’t help itself, does it!

Well, if it needs reps it needs reps, Wales has a unit shortage at the minute so they may as well send a knacker first - Etches Park can do the work and EMR aren't short of units until the timetable change starts.

 

[fgwrich]

Well, if it needs reps it needs reps, Wales has a unit shortage at the minute so they may as well send a knacker first - Etches Park can do the work and EMR aren't short of units until the timetable change starts.

It’s funny that this subject has come up - I ended up looking at a few YouTube videos of 205 yesterday (and combined with my experience of 205 in the past), one word came to mind. Gutless. So I wonder if any work prior to it entering traffic will include an overhaul of the mechanical side of things.

 

[170UTD]

It’s funny that this subject has come up - I ended up looking at a few YouTube videos of 205 yesterday (and combined with my experience of 205 in the past), one word came to mind. Gutless. So I wonder if any work prior to it entering traffic will include an overhaul of the mechanical side of things.

So have EMR got the worst TfW 3-car unit first then? Typical!

 

[fgwrich]

So have EMR got the worst TfW 3-car unit first then? Typical!

Possibly, I can only comment from my view as a passenger than from a staff point of view. But as Low Level mentions, while it may be a duff unit for Wales, a good overhaul by EMR could make it a good one. Certainly from videos on YouTube and a trip on it last year it seems to be a slow and somewhat wheezy accelerator, eg;

 

[43096]

Possibly, I can only comment from my view as a passenger than from a staff point of view. But as Low Level mentions, while it may be a duff unit for Wales, a good overhaul by EMR could make it a good one. Certainly from videos on YouTube and a trip on it last year it seems to be a slow and somewhat wheezy accelerator, eg;

All 170s are slow and wheezy accelerators!

 

[Anonymous10]

So have EMR got the worst TfW 3-car unit first then? Typical!

Consider tfw are chronically short of units right now they weren't going to send their best. Unless of course you want the network to grind to a halt like February.

 

[fgwrich]

Consider tfw are chronically short of units right now they weren't going to send their best. Unless of course you want the network to grind to a halt like February.

Also, come to think of it. It’s pretty standard procedure now isn’t it - the Southern units spent a little time in storage before they entered traffic, while some of the former TfW units also did too.

 

[170UTD]

Consider tfw are chronically short of units right now they weren't going to send their best. Unless of course you want the network to grind to a halt like February.

That's true I suppose, but if they're all coming over pretty quick, that'll happen anyway

 

[Anonymous10]

That's true I suppose, but if they're all coming over pretty quick, that'll happen anyway

There is of course the possibility the dft or emr and tfw have come to an arrangement in the meantime which of course wouldn't be made public let's wait and see

 

[170UTD]

There is of course the possibility the dft or emr and tfw have come to an arrangement in the meantime which of course wouldn't be made public let's wait and see

Yes, it would be nice to know exactly how many units are moving over before the May timetable change

 

[Anonymous10]

Yes, it would be nice to know exactly how many units are moving over before the May timetable change

It would I suspect it depends on the 175s and introduction of 197s

 

[Kite159]

It’s funny that this subject has come up - I ended up looking at a few YouTube videos of 205 yesterday (and combined with my experience of 205 in the past), one word came to mind. Gutless. So I wonder if any work prior to it entering traffic will include an overhaul of the mechanical side of things.

Gutless, like all the other 170s with the underpowered truck engines?

Or even worse like an engine isn't running properly

 

[45076]

… because of course a unit that was working in Wales one week can’t possibly be suitable to work in the East Midlands the following week… Sheesh, the MDTR really doesn’t help itself, does it!

It is due an exam and powertrain change and couldn't, for whatever reason, be done by TFW according to my contact