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170UTD
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Are TfW keeping 4 until December? I thought all 8 were due near enough together? I suppose with new stock being introduced in Wales plans are quite flexible.
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172s are due to be all 5 cars and some 4 car from May on Snow Hill, No more 6 car services.
50002Superb
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Do you know which four and when they are scheduled to move?
170UTD
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Has 170512 entered service with EMR yet? 502 arrived after it and it's in service, so something must be up with it.
Liam L
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512 went to Barrow after arriving in the East Midlands. Not sure if it still there or not.
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Does anybody know which four ?
tomm
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Depending on where it was it might of been 170 203 or 204. One was showing to be cancelled at Cross Keys i think it 2F38 as then ran 5F38 from Cross Keys to Cardiff Canton. If that is the unit in question I AM NOT saying it is but if it was that service the 5F38 shows it obviously damaged enough to warrant being taken out.. you find with trees and trains its the windows that go first with a massive crack or a shattered but not broken. Just confirming which one my best guess it was 204 yesterday which hit a tree by Crosskeys as went fully out of service after 11am.
Anonymous10
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Sorry I'm a little confused the relation of this to emr and what your information is based on the Crosskeys line has been shut for a week due to lack of 175s and stock moving to compensate
tomm
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170 203 or 204 one was showing to be cancelled at Cross Keys i think it 2F38 as then ran 5F38 from Cross Keys to Cardiff Canton. 5F38 shows it obviously damaged enough to warrant being taken out Monday 13th March.
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170UTD
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Quoted from another thread, but it looks like there's going to be more delays in getting the TfW 170s to EMR given the problems with the 175s.
Yes read this in Todays Railways magazine. There was an article about both TFW class 197s and 231s. They did say they are in talks at the moment so nothing is set in stone. But if the 175s aren't likely to be back in service anytime soon it would make sense they keep the 170s longer if they possibly can.
The plans have always been very liquid but certainly a month or two ago the intent was for TfW to release some of the 3 cars for May and hold on to the rest for a while longer.
The 175 fleet collapsing will not help matters but equally the EMR summer plan relies on having more 3 car trains available than is currently the case - 8 units isn't enough to deliver the planned timetable.
The 175 fleet collapsing will not help matters but equally the EMR summer plan relies on having more 3 car trains available than is currently the case - 8 units isn't enough to deliver the planned timetable.
170UTD
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Do you know how many at a minimum EMR need to run the summer timetable. If they only need another three 3-car units for instance. I can see a scenario where TfW release 3 but keep 5 for a while.
Anonymous10
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Also worth noting tfw have limited service on valleys lines, no service milford Haven/ Fishguard-Carmarthen (bus replacement.
No service cross keys to Newport (bus replacement), no service Chester-Liverpool ( bus replacement), no service wrexham-bidston (bus replacement) and no service to Ffestiniog (bus replacement). All to release units to cover the 175s which were supposed to cover for 170s to leave
tomm
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Luckily 170204 was back In service the day after it hit tree working the 12:38 Ebbw Vale Town to Cardiff Central near Crosskeys 13th March so they are not short of the 8 170s with TFW.
Speaking of 170204 any further confirmation if it was definitely thus one which hit tree near crosskeys or was it 203.
Speaking of 170204 any further confirmation if it was definitely thus one which hit tree near crosskeys or was it 203.
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william.martin
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Anybody know how many and the identity of the remaining 170's awaiting hand over from WMR.
Liam L
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170501/502/505/506/507/516
tomm
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I think 170502 has already gone from WMR.
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It’s only 501,505,506,507 & 516 left with WMT until May.
QSK19
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Not 502 - it was sat at Nottingham station yesterday at the back of a rather interesting 8-car 170-170-170-158 formation.
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class397tpe
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Seems to be double 170s on Nottingham to Liverpool today! Showing 170271+170502.
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Realtime Trains | 1R54 1142 Nottingham to Liverpool Lime Street | 19/03/2023
Real-time train running information for 1R54 1142 departure from Nottingham to Liverpool Lime Street on 19/03/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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There were a couple of pairs and a 3 car last Sunday.Seems to be double 170s on Nottingham to Liverpool today! Showing 170271+170502.
Realtime Trains | 1R54 1142 Nottingham to Liverpool Lime Street | 19/03/2023
Real-time train running information for 1R54 1142 departure from Nottingham to Liverpool Lime Street on 19/03/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
They tend to venture up there most often on a Sunday.
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Seems to be double 170s on Nottingham to Liverpool today! Showing 170271+170502.
Realtime Trains | 1R54 1142 Nottingham to Liverpool Lime Street | 19/03/2023
Real-time train running information for 1R54 1142 departure from Nottingham to Liverpool Lime Street on 19/03/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
...along with a couple of single 2 car sets to Norwich last Sunday.
TT-ONR-NRN
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What a catch! Would love to see if you have any more pictures of that. Assuming it wasn’t in service?
It happens every day, you get long lash ups taking units up to the station from the shed with combinations of 156, 158 and 170. They're then split at the station to form their services.
QSK19
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It was on Platform 1 and wasn’t on the departure board; so I would guess it wasn’t in service. I would defer to LowLevel’s answer on this.
I think the 170 units were 502, 271 and 504 (no idea what the 158 unit number was); but what I can definitely confirm is that the class-subclass order was as follows:
- 158 (EMT colours)
- 170/5 (EMR colours)
- 170/2 (TfW colours)
- 170/5 (EMR colours)
Explains why 271 and 502 were the two units at the back of the 8-car 158/170 formation.
Got this picture which is clearer in terms of the order of trains. You’ll have to excuse my rushed use of the panoramic photo setting - was half having to keep an eye on a 6 and a 4 year old!
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TT-ONR-NRN
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Very nice.
502 and 271 did eventually split as only 271 went onto Norwich beyond Nottingham.