ULEZ - Plans (and would you have to pay?)

[Energy]

I think that is a misunderstanding of the actual situation. We won't of course know what effect it has had on the electorate in next year's Mayoral election, but recent reports have said that a majority of those living in the extended ULEZ zone are supportive of the scherme and its benefits. Once the rebel Conservative LAs failed in their court action, the whole thing became a done deal.

I suspect the vast majority of people will have heard of it, looked up their car, found that it was compliant and now don't care.

A lot of the "outcry" is from the media, I've heard a few with the misconception that they'd have to go electric rather than any modern petrol car complying.

Most of the complaints are people disgruntled that they'd have to change their car, though with the scrappage scheme and grants its gone quiet, and others who didn't like Sadiq Khan anyway.

 

[jon0844]

It seems to have gone quiet after people have published the letters between the DfT/Grant Shapps and the Mayor, right up to the letter that has the DfT telling the Mayor to expand the congestion zone also. The Tories were loving using ULEZ as a way to attack Khan, but now perhaps they're attempting to move on as people see through it.

 

[renegademaster]

It seems to have gone quiet after people have published the letters between the DfT/Grant Shapps and the Mayor, right up to the letter that has the DfT telling the Mayor to expand the congestion zone also. The Tories were loving using ULEZ as a way to attack Khan, but now perhaps they're attempting to move on as people see through it.

The one people keep posting was about the south circular expansion, and I find "Grant Shapps pressured me" a hardly endearing line anway

 

[jon0844]

There's far more to it than that if you read the letters. The DfT is a lot less confrontational and acknowledges the need to do what TfL has done so far, even saying that the rest of the country should try and copy many aspects of what the capital has achieved.

The Tories look even more silly for attacking the Mayor as a result, but we obviously know why with elections coming up. I have no doubt they'll still do it during the campaigning but expect them to be a lot quieter now.

I'm not a big fan of the Mayor and his obvious ego (but, come on, look at Boris too) but every candidate must have an ego that needs massaging. I think the fares freeze was crazy, for example. However I don't have the level of hate for him as some clearly do.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I suspect the vast majority of people will have heard of it, looked up their car, found that it was compliant and now don't care.

A lot of the "outcry" is from the media, I've heard a few with the misconception that they'd have to go electric rather than any modern petrol car complying.

Most of the complaints are people disgruntled that they'd have to change their car, though with the scrappage scheme and grants its gone quiet, and others who didn't like Sadiq Khan anyway.

I don't think the scrappage scheme will help many. If you are well enough off to run a car then the means testing will preclude you getting any money for scrapping the car.

 

[stuu]

I don't think the scrappage scheme will help many. If you are well enough off to run a car then the means testing will preclude you getting any money for scrapping the car.

There isn't any means testing, you just need to have a non-compliant car (now, previously there was)

 

[Peter Sarf]

There isn't any means testing, you just need to have a non-compliant car (now, previously there was)

Ah, thanks.

 

[jfollows]

There isn't any means testing, you just need to have a non-compliant car (now, previously there was)

Until the £110 £160 million set aside runs out, that’s to say it’s a first come, first served scheme now (an extra £50m was dredged from TfL reserves to fund the expansion of the scheme to all).

 

[AM9]

Ah, thanks.

What it might do is encourage scrappers to keep the cash and start travelling by public transport, £2000 would buy quite a lot of daily tickets or season tickets for travel in the extended ULEZ.

 

[Dai Corner]

What it might do is encourage scrappers to keep the cash and start travelling by public transport, £2000 would buy quite a lot of daily tickets or season tickets for travel in the extended ULEZ.

7 months Zone 1- 6 Travelcard, for example.

 

[renegademaster]

What it might do is encourage scrappers to keep the cash and start travelling by public transport, £2000 would buy quite a lot of daily tickets or season tickets for travel in the extended ULEZ.

The bulk of scrappers will probably be van owners, so doubtful, unless they are giving up their jobs and transitioning to white collar ones

 

[341o2]

I suspect the vast majority of people will have heard of it, looked up their car, found that it was compliant and now don't care.

Exactly so, apart from Ulez being championed by anti car individuals.
Now the Telegraph has got hold of a story that the Lancet has found no evidence regarding Ulez and children's health, rather than denouncing it, requests have been made to rewrite it.

A lot of the "outcry" is from the media, I've heard a few with the misconception that they'd have to go electric rather than any modern petrol car complying.

The media are also responsible for misinformation that 2030 means the end of the road for ICE cars

 

[stuu]

The media are also responsible for misinformation that 2030 means the end of the road for ICE cars

Is it? I have never seen anything other than the ban of the sale, not the ban of the use in any article

 

[341o2]

Is it? I have never seen anything other than the ban of the sale, not the ban of the use in any article

It is. Here are the top questions on the subject on Google. I have also watched a BBC documentary on the subject, showing a classic Rolls Royce being driven into a garage with the inevitable statement "End of the road for this car"

People also ask


Can you still drive petrol cars after 2030 UK?



How long can I drive my petrol car after 2030?



What is the government plan for car use by 2030?



Can you still drive petrol cars after 2040?

 

[jfollows]

Is it? I have never seen anything other than the ban of the sale, not the ban of the use in any article

I agree, although that may be because I don't tend to read or listen to a lot of media, it's more likely "social media" that's responsible for the nonsense. I'm buying a petrol car next year and I have every intention of driving it well past 2030, my body permitting.

 

[jon81uk]

It is. Here are the top questions on the subject on Google. I have also watched a BBC documentary on the subject, showing a classic Rolls Royce being driven into a garage with the inevitable statement "End of the road for this car"

The fact that people make stupid Google searches doesn't mean the newspapers are writing stupid articles.

 

[stuu]

It is. Here are the top questions on the subject on Google. I have also watched a BBC documentary on the subject, showing a classic Rolls Royce being driven into a garage with the inevitable statement "End of the road for this car"

The answers to which are all "yes", with the answers coming from media websites, so I don't see what that proves at all. The fact is some people have reading comprehension problems, and others willfully spread disinformation

 

[DustyBin]

The fact that people make stupid Google searches doesn't mean the newspapers are writing stupid articles.

"Is Game of Thrones based on true events?" was my favourite!

Now admittedly, the dragons hadn't hatched at this point, but even so....

 

[JamesT]

"Is Game of Thrones based on true events?" was my favourite!

Now admittedly, the dragons hadn't hatched at this point, but even so....

It's not an entirely stupid question. Various bits of the plot are based on the wars of the roses.

 

[DustyBin]

It's not an entirely stupid question. Various bits of the plot are based on the wars of the roses.

Well yes, and the "red wedding" is based on events that actually took place in Scotland, but I'm not convinced that's why people were googling it!

 

[MasterSpenny]

The expansion goes into force tomorrow. As a Labour Party hater, I really hope Sadiq Khan loses the election next year (thats a poll for another thread) and Conservative wins and gets rid of ULEZ entirely when TfL have enough money as we know they don’t have much. Can easily put fares up on their services to help counter the problem of their money.

 

[Mawkie]

The expansion goes into force tomorrow. As a Labour Party hater, I really hope Sadiq Khan loses the election next year (thats a poll for another thread) and Conservative wins and gets rid of ULEZ entirely when TfL have enough money as we know they don’t have much. Can easily put fares up on their services to help counter the problem of their money.

Lol. You do know the ULEZ was a policy announced by Boris in 2015 when he was (tory) Mayor?

There is no chance of the tories getting back in London with Susan (who?) Hall, and even if by some miracle they did, they won't kill the ULEZ.

Mayor confirms world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone.

Mayor confirms world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone, and welcomes more money for cleaner taxis.

www.london.gov.uk

 

[MasterSpenny]

Lol. You do know the ULEZ was a policy announced by Boris in 2015 when he was (tory) Mayor?

There is no chance of the tories getting back in London with Susan (who?) Hall, and even if by some miracle they did, they won't kill the ULEZ.

Mayor confirms world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone.

Mayor confirms world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone, and welcomes more money for cleaner taxis.

www.london.gov.uk

I know Boris announced it, but if I was the mayor I would not do it in the first place. Which I’m not.
Honestly I except all the cameras for it broken

 

[AM9]

I know Boris announced it, but if I was the mayor I would not do it in the first place. Which I’m not.
Honestly I except all the cameras for it broken

I think that a considerable proportion of the London electorate prefer a a leader who has the commitment to improve the health of the population. Probably a majority of the drivers commuting into the full ULEZ will appreciate that as well especially as they spend far too long in an unhealthy atmosphere.
The ranting of a minority of petrolheads will die down by Chistmas and those who persist in committing criminal damage to public property (including cameras) will be dealt with by the courts.
So by the second week of May next year, Sadiq Khan can then move on to the next stage of cleaning up London.

 

[renegademaster]

I think that a considerable proportion of the London electorate prefer a a leader who has the commitment to improve the health of the population. Probably a majority of the drivers commuting into the full ULEZ will appreciate that as well especially as they spend far too long in an unhealthy atmosphere.
The ranting of a minority of petrolheads will die down by Chistmas and those who persist in committing criminal damage to public property (including cameras) will be dealt with by the courts.
So by the second week of May next year, Sadiq Khan can then move on to the next stage of cleaning up London.

If he was so confident he could have put it to a postal referendum like other places have for congestion charges, but they tend to have get voted down, like in Manchester and Edinburgh , and they are hardly Tory gammon central, despite what this forum thinks all people opposed to ULEZ are.

 

[Thirteen]

Lol. You do know the ULEZ was a policy announced by Boris in 2015 when he was (tory) Mayor?

There is no chance of the tories getting back in London with Susan (who?) Hall, and even if by some miracle they did, they won't kill the ULEZ.

Mayor confirms world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone.

Mayor confirms world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone, and welcomes more money for cleaner taxis.

www.london.gov.uk

Susan Hall has already said she would only scrap the expansion, ULEZ would still remain in place in the areas it was already in place like Central London.

 

[greyman42]

I think that a considerable proportion of the London electorate prefer a a leader who has the commitment to improve the health of the population. Probably a majority of the drivers commuting into the full ULEZ will appreciate that as well especially as they spend far too long in an unhealthy atmosphere.
The ranting of a minority of petrolheads will die down by Chistmas and those who persist in committing criminal damage to public property (including cameras) will be dealt with by the courts.
So by the second week of May next year, Sadiq Khan can then move on to the next stage of cleaning up London.

So if cleaning up London is Khans aim, why doesn't he ban the non compliant cars all together?

 

[MasterSpenny]

So if cleaning up London is Khans aim, why doesn't he ban the non compliant cars all together?

Probably because TfL doesn’t have much money

 

[jon81uk]

So if cleaning up London is Khans aim, why doesn't he ban the non compliant cars all together?

Have you seen the amount of fuss the pro-car people have made about a £12.50 charge, imagine the uproar if it’s a full ban with a £500 fine. I expect the charge will go up and up over time so it does effectively become a ban.

 

[greyman42]

Have you seen the amount of fuss the pro-car people have made about a £12.50 charge, imagine the uproar if it’s a full ban with a £500 fine. I expect the charge will go up and up over time so it does effectively become a ban.

I don't know where the £500 fine comes in, but if there was such a fine it would not go to TfL so Khan prefers a £12-50 charge.