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MML Electrification: progress updates

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Flying Phil said:
Looking back on this thread, the work of MML electrification started from Bedford to Kettering to Corby around 2017. Kettering to Market Harborough around 2019 and MH to Wigston 2021 so the team should be able to do Leicester to Sheffield in the next 6-7 years. Especially, given today's HS2 news, they will be very keen to be seen to get this job done so it will get a much higher profile I expect.
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Yes. I was wondering whether a rolling program of electrification might be the reward for not going totally wrong budget wise (compared to HS2). However, with North Wales coast now promised where might that jump in the queue ?.
 
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Yes. I was wondering whether a rolling program of electrification might be the reward for not going totally wrong budget wise (compared to HS2). However, with North Wales coast now promised where might that jump in the queue ?.
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I would assume the North Wales electrification would be well down the line when compared to the rest of the MML scheme, as little preparatory work will have been done on it.
 
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Mikey C said:
I would assume the North Wales electrification would be well down the line when compared to the rest of the MML scheme, as little preparatory work will have been done on it.
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I would assume so. But perhaps our glorious leaders think we should stop the spades in the ground and start preparatory work straight away - I doubt they understand the different skill sets etc required !.
 
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According to the "not HS2" document

Upgrading links between Newark and Nottingham. We will extend the existing London-Leicester-Nottingham trains to Yorkshire and the North East, cut direct journey times from Nottingham to Leeds by around an hour and enable the quadrupling of direct seats from Nottingham to Leeds. Alongside this, the investment will enable up to 600 seats each hour between Leicester and Nottingham.
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Which might throw a cat amongst the pigeons in terms of rolling stock requirements and scope of electrification!
 
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DDB said:
According to the "not HS2" document



Which might throw a cat amongst the pigeons in terms of rolling stock requirements and scope of electrification!
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Does this mean introducing an West to North junction at Newark?
 
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Nicholas Lewis said:
Pressing onto Leeds now must infer that we will hear an announcement that North of Leicester will start soon
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I imagine that they'll use each extension of the MML electrification programme as an excuse for another launch announcement, and PR event...
 
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Flying Phil said:
Looking back on this thread, the work of MML electrification started from Bedford to Kettering to Corby around 2017. Kettering to Market Harborough around 2019 and MH to Wigston 2021 so the team should be able to do Leicester to Sheffield in the next 6-7 years. Especially, given today's HS2 news, they will be very keen to be seen to get this job done so it will get a much higher profile I expect.
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On the basis that Wigston-Dore might be behind in queue (still not announced), teams could probably move to the section around Sheffield quite quickly.

43b is Sheffield-Leeds electrification
43c is Sheffield - Hope Valley - Manchester electrification
52 is Sheffield-Stocksbridge (reopening, but might be diesel)

Lets hope teams are not dispanded and moved for continuity even if gets done in rather odd order initially (whatever can be started quickly), possibly could be serious wiring in Sheffield area in 2-4 years

 
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Snow1964 said:
On the basis that Wigston-Dore might be behind in queue (still not announced), teams could probably move to the section around Sheffield quite quickly.

43b is Sheffield-Leeds electrification
43c is Sheffield - Hope Valley - Manchester electrification
52 is Sheffield-Stocksbridge (reopening, but might be diesel)
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Reality check time.

A lot of work has gone on in terms of design / prep work for the MML electrification north of Wigston.

There has been almost no work done on the three projects you mention above.

Which do you think would be most suitable for the electrification teams to move on to next?
 
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Mikey C said:
I imagine that they'll use each extension of the MML electrification programme as an excuse for another launch announcement, and PR event...
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Some recent electrifications have been started almost in secret. Stalybridge, Church Fenton, Market Harborough. But it may need to be different after today.
 
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Snow1964 said:
On the basis that Wigston-Dore might be behind in queue (still not announced), teams could probably move to the section around Sheffield quite quickly.

43b is Sheffield-Leeds electrification
43c is Sheffield - Hope Valley - Manchester electrification
52 is Sheffield-Stocksbridge (reopening, but might be diesel)

Lets hope teams are not dispanded and moved for continuity even if gets done in rather odd order initially (whatever can be started quickly), possibly could be serious wiring in Sheffield area in 2-4 years

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You left out Nottingham-Newark (though it doesn’t say electrified….) and Sheffield to Hull (would that be via Doncaster and Goole, or Doncaster and Selby?)
The MML team might well have a lot of work to look forward to!
 
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You left out Nottingham-Newark (though it doesn’t say electrified….) and Sheffield to Hull (would that be via Doncaster and Goole, or Doncaster and Selby?)
The MML team might well have a lot of work to look forward to!
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Broad brush desperate approach. Pull out a spread of doable schemes that are far from spade ready and leave it to future governments to explain why they still aren't fully planned, let alone built, by 2035-40.

There'll be a lot more pot holes to fill along the way.
 
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Flying Phil said:
Looking back on this thread, the work of MML electrification started from Bedford to Kettering to Corby around 2017. Kettering to Market Harborough around 2019 and MH to Wigston 2021 so the team should be able to do Leicester to Sheffield in the next 6-7 years. Especially, given today's HS2 news, they will be very keen to be seen to get this job done so it will get a much higher profile I expect.
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Sorry for asking, is the Wigston to Leicester electrification ongoing now? Or pending DfT giving go-ahead permission?
 
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MarkLong said:
Sorry for asking, is the Wigston to Leicester electrification ongoing now? Or pending DfT giving go-ahead permission?
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Nothing north of Wigston is confirmed.

There was an item in this thread a week or two ago about work slightly nearer Leicester, but it turned out to be merely signalling immunisation, consequential on the authorised electrification.
 
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As Bald Rick has said, a lot of design prep work has been done North of Wigston. North of Leicester several road overbridges have been raised/rebuilt to accommodate OHLE. It should be remembered that this project has been started, paused, stopped and restarted over the past several years!
Indeed, the new (2018), Great Central Railway bridge over the MML was built quite quickly because the wires to Loughborough would have made it much more expensive to build any later....if at all.
 
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Bald Rick said:
There has been almost no work done on the three projects you mention above.
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In fact a lot of work (many years) has been done on Sheffield to Leeds, Sheffield to Hull, Leeds to Hull. Effectively viewed as too expensive when IRP was announced, and on hold since. All behind a non-disclosure ;)
 
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In fact a lot of work (many years) has been done on Sheffield to Leeds, Sheffield to Hull, Leeds to Hull. Effectively viewed as too expensive when IRP was announced, and on hold since. All behind a non-disclosure ;)
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Realistically all those will have to be done before the Net Zero deadline of 2050, the only question being when...
 
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Snow1964 said:
On the basis that Wigston-Dore might be behind in queue (still not announced), teams could probably move to the section around Sheffield quite quickly.

43b is Sheffield-Leeds electrification
43c is Sheffield - Hope Valley - Manchester electrification
52 is Sheffield-Stocksbridge (reopening, but might be diesel)

Lets hope teams are not dispanded and moved for continuity even if gets done in rather odd order initially (whatever can be started quickly), possibly could be serious wiring in Sheffield area in 2-4 years

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thing is with Network North, is that it seems to be a random selection of projects that were somewhere in funding and proposal process, and some projects that already exist. It's not at all a serious commitment to anything and 24hrs later the first of the pledges is unravelling to be non-existent (Leamside Line and a vague promise to put money into something in Bristol).
 
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A reminder hat this thread is for the provision of MML Electrification progress updates i.e. updates to the actual project as it is at the moment.

There are plenty of other threads discussing the other projects emanating from the Prime Ministers HS2 announcement yesterday.

thanks :)
 
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NR issued a contract notice for the MMLE Partnership Framework today, in relation to MML3:

Network Rail Eastern Midland Main Line Electrification Partnership Framework - Find a Tender

www.find-tender.service.gov.uk www.find-tender.service.gov.uk


Plenty of material to examine, though I'll quote a few key paragraphs (from the Part 6: Instructions to Participants PDF):
3.3.3. Subject to paragraph 3.3.4, the Framework will deliver the design and construction of the rail systems (which includes all rail works associated with the delivery of an OLE (Overhead Line Equipment) production line such as OLE, P&D (Plant & Distribution), Signalling, Telecoms and SCADA (Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition) as well as route clearance/ enabling works (which includes activities such as Bridge Reconstructions, Bridge Jacking (including Elevarch), Track Lowers, Parapet works and Utilities diversions) for route sections 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8.

However, to enable an immediate production line approach under the Framework, NR has commenced the Approval in Principle (AIP) design (ES4) stage and some route clearance activities for route sections 2 and 3 via existing routes to market. The option to progress the AIP design and other route clearance activities for the remaining route sections through other routes to market is also currently being reviewed by NR. This will be confirmed by NR at the ITT stage.

3.3.4 NR is currently in the process of securing funding for CP7 year 1. The intention is to progress a staged approach to the Final Business Case, with the first submission planned for spring 2024 and second for autumn 2025. Therefore, as the programme is still subject to funding, and depending on performance of the Framework, NR reserves the right to use other routes to market for the route sections and/ or discipline requirements.
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Also, RS2 is now split into RS2a (Wigston South-Leicester North) and RS2b (Leicester North-Syston).
 
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It's on page 5 - the summary blob still refers to Section 2 but it's marked as 2a/2b on the line diagram.

(You have to zoom in and the diagram is of low resolution, so not easy to find.)
 
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Edvid said:
NR issued a contract notice for the MMLE Partnership Framework today, in relation to MML3:

Network Rail Eastern Midland Main Line Electrification Partnership Framework - Find a Tender

www.find-tender.service.gov.uk www.find-tender.service.gov.uk


Plenty of material to examine, though I'll quote a few key paragraphs (from the Part 6: Instructions to Participants PDF):


Also, RS2 is now split into RS2a (Wigston South-Leicester North) and RS2b (Leicester North-Syston).
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Suppose good to hear but will this allow team continuity to be maintained given the current section is to close to being completed
 
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To see the wires physically go through Leicester station will be a massive achievement in the MML electrification itself.
 
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