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EMR Class 360's

D_MTrains

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And that they’re more than happy to keep paying Intercity-level fares for the pleasure :lol:

To be honest, despite being one of the biggest complainers on RF about the possibility of the 360s retaining 3+2 seating, I’m getting to the point where I just want to see them refurbished and cleaned to a decent standard with comfortable seating regardless of 2+2 or 3+2. The trains are a disgrace to the East Midlands (and the national network at that) and fundamentals need to be sorted ahead of seating. That’s quite something coming from me!
I travel out of Kettering quite a lot and I prefer the Connect service for the extra space when the units are coupled when compared to a 5-car meridian on a Nottingham stopper. Honestly, I am at the point where all I want is a deep clean of the units and that will be good for me, maybe some new purple seat covers. I give up on ever having hope of a new interior. EMR seems not to want to do so with any of their trains so why would it change? They have recently committed to a refurbishment at some point (who knows what year that will be!) but I can't see them doing more than as previously said, new seat covers and a deep cleaning most likely.
 
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I travel out of Kettering quite a lot and I prefer the Connect service for the extra space when the units are coupled when compared to a 5-car meridian on a Nottingham stopper. Honestly, I am at the point where all I want is a deep clean of the units and that will be good for me, maybe some new purple seat covers. I give up on ever having hope of a new interior. EMR seems not to want to do so with any of their trains so why would it change? They have recently committed to a refurbishment at some point (who knows what year that will be!) but I can't see them doing more than as previously said, new seat covers and a deep cleaning most likely.
I think the other reason for not refurbishing them is that the Connect service would probably attract the same number of people regardless of interior condition; so a refurbishment would be money spent with little or no resulting financial gain.

Also, in terms of the commitment to 360 refurbishment (I think Will Rogers said something to Modern Railways along the lines of “it’s not if, it’s when”), I refuse to believe a thing until I actually see it or at the very least we know a firm contract has been signed. Since EMR was born, promise after promise has been reneged on (admittedly, quite often due to factors out of their control) and I doubt a 360 refurbishment will now take place - as things stand, loco-hauled 360 services to Nottingham are looking more likely than a refurbishment! :lol:

There have been good things about EMR, don’t get me wrong - they generally do well at actually running services (think to Avanti and TPE for comparison!), marketing is very good & efficient and what we have seen of the 810s thus far is living up to expectations - however the future of the East Midlands rail network, especially on the non-IC side, isn’t looking good from a passenger experience, comfort and convenience point of view.
 

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Are there any updates on the refurbishment or are they going to keep the interior as it is?
None in the public domain apart from Will Rogers saying to Modern Railways that it’s a case of when, not if, the refurb takes place and that funding has proved a massive issue. Unless any EMR insiders* confirm otherwise, don’t expect any update soon.

I would hazard a guess that the interior would remain as is, a deep clean and replacement seat covers being what the “refurbishment” consists of due to DfT cost-cutting. I stand corrected by EMR insiders* or anybody else in the know.

* Obviously, insiders won’t be allowed to say much in the public domain.
 

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More short formations today! This time it is the 07.13 from WEL to COR.
How do they not have 12 out of 21 serviceable units... not a big ask! Methinks they should have also bought the 360/2s as well, rather than let them go to scrap!
 

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Methinks they should have also bought the 360/2s as well, rather than let them go to scrap!
Two of the 360/2s went for scrap, the other three still exist. But it would make no difference: if you can’t get trains through maintenance/repair quickly enough then having another five trains just means you’ll have five more broken trains.
 

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More short formations today! This time it is the 07.13 from WEL to COR.
How do they not have 12 out of 21 serviceable units... not a big ask! Methinks they should have also bought the 360/2s as well, rather than let them go to scrap!
Even if they had double the number of 360s units, they'd eventually run out of working ones...
 

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Saw a 360 running through Kentish Town this morning, on the Railcam diagram it showed it as a headcode 5Z07. This was evidently unplanned. Did a unit fail?
 

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4-car unit on the 20.15 from London St Pancras to Corby this evening. Completely full and standing with not a free seat until Bedford. Carpets are filthy but the disgrace is they can't keep at least 12 serviceable units from a fleet of 21. Shocking maintenance standards.
 

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Yes this really does need to be answered for.
It's happening again! 07.13 from Wellingborough to Corby. Formed of 360116 only.

HOW THE HELL HAVE EMR NOT GOT 12 OUT OF 21 OPERATIONAL UNITS!!! Buy the 360/2s NOW I say, at least having a fleet of 24 means there's more likelihood of 12 operational units.
 

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It's happening again! 07.13 from Wellingborough to Corby. Formed of 360116 only.

HOW THE HELL HAVE EMR NOT GOT 12 OUT OF 21 OPERATIONAL UNITS!!! Buy the 360/2s NOW I say, at least having a fleet of 24 means there's more likelihood of 12 operational units.
As explained before more than once, it doesn’t - it would just mean another three sets out of traffic awaiting repair.
 

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A cynic might wonder whether the 360 operation is more about ORCATS - raiding Thameslink than providing a service to Northamptonshire stations.
After all, they still get ORCATS revenue if no-one can board them because they're short formed and full, let alone unkempt.
 

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It's happening again! 07.13 from Wellingborough to Corby. Formed of 360116 only.

HOW THE HELL HAVE EMR NOT GOT 12 OUT OF 21 OPERATIONAL UNITS!!! Buy the 360/2s NOW I say, at least having a fleet of 24 means there's more likelihood of 12 operational units.
If you think the Treasury are going to approve that, you don’t understand the current political situation with the railways.

A cynic might wonder whether the 360 operation is more about ORCATS - raiding Thameslink than providing a service to Northamptonshire stations.
After all, they still get ORCATS revenue if no-one can board them because they're short formed and full, let alone unkempt.
Given franchising is long dead, ORCATS raiding ‘sort of’ (open access aside) died with it. All revenue goes to the Treasury no matter how it’s split up.
 

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None in the public domain apart from Will Rogers saying to Modern Railways that it’s a case of when, not if, the refurb takes place and that funding has proved a massive issue. Unless any EMR insiders* confirm otherwise, don’t expect any update soon.

I would hazard a guess that the interior would remain as is, a deep clean and replacement seat covers being what the “refurbishment” consists of due to DfT cost-cutting. I stand corrected by EMR insiders* or anybody else in the know.

* Obviously, insiders won’t be allowed to say much in the public domain.

It does sound like there might be a positive announcement on this sooner rather than later…. :)
 

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EMR connect in melt down this morning.

First southbound to run is the 0809 ex Corby currently 20 late.

Reason is train faults. Damage caused by snow and ice apparently.

Most likely something else (frozen points/ OHLE issues, pans or batteries) but that's the reason given.

Trains seem to be coming out for next workings from Kettering.
 

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EMR connect in melt down this morning.

First southbound to run is the 0809 ex Corby currently 20 late.

Reason is train faults. Damage caused by snow and ice apparently.

Most likely something else (frozen points/ OHLE issues, pans or batteries) but that's the reason given.

Trains seem to be coming out for next workings from Kettering.
Well I have no clue what happened because I couldn't get the train to work today! Had to have a lift via the automobile because 07.13 from Wellingborough was canceled and I would have been late to work otherwise.

The future is exciting, but not if I continue to commute on the trains.
 

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Frozen equipment at Cricklewood (fuel line) affecting Intercity services, and other frozen kit affecting things like screenwash supplies messing up the 360s, apparently - together with engineering overruns between Kettering and Leicester and Dronfield causing diversions and delays.
 

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Frozen equipment at Cricklewood (fuel line) affecting Intercity services, and other frozen kit affecting things like screenwash supplies messing up the 360s,

Oh well, given that there's absolutely no way that cold weather can be predicted, the issue of equipment being unprepared for cold weather can in no way be interpreted as a sign of incompetence.
 

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Frozen equipment at Cricklewood (fuel line) affecting Intercity services, and other frozen kit affecting things like screenwash supplies messing up the 360s, apparently - together with engineering overruns between Kettering and Leicester and Dronfield causing diversions and delays.
How on earth can screenwash supplies stop the whole fleet.
 

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Oh well, given that there's absolutely no way that cold weather can be predicted, the issue of equipment being unprepared for cold weather can in no way be interpreted as a sign of incompetence.
Is this sarcasm?
If not, winter is predictable. It happens every year about this time. As predictable as leaf fall in Autumn
 

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How on earth can screenwash supplies stop the whole fleet.

Quite easily if they’ve used the wrong type and it doesn’t have enough antifreeze in it. :lol:

I don’t think the entire fleet was stopped, but a big enough proportion to cause chaos. The situation improved steadily throughout the day.
 

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Today 3 out of the 6 diagrams are now operating as 4-car units yet again. The services are full and standing, absolutely rammed solid.

9 serviceable units out of a fleet of 21 is an appalling level of performance.

Is it time for EMR to abandon all hope of using these units as intended? Are the promises of 12-car operation in the peak ever to be fulfilled?
Or is it the case that the fleet is quite simply not being satisfactorily maintained? And a thorough overhaul of the maintenance regime would resolve these repeated short formed services?

Is it time for EMR to replace 360s with 350s or more modern stock? Or is it not the stock but the poor fleet maintenance which is at fault?
9 serviceable units out of a fleet of 21 is atrocious performance. Something needs to be done. The repeated failures and insufficient standby units is seriously affecting the standard of service.
 
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Is it time for EMR to replace 360s with 350s or more modern stock? Or is it not the stock but the poor fleet maintenance which is at fault?
Given that the 350s are pretty much identical to a 360 (bar the front-end gangway) and the 350s are very reliable trains, what do you think?
 

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Today 3 out of the 6 diagrams are now operating as 4-car units yet again. The services are full and standing, absolutely rammed solid.

9 serviceable units out of a fleet of 21 is an appalling level of performance.

Is it time for EMR to abandon all hope of using these units as intended? Are the promises of 12-car operation in the peak ever to be fulfilled?
Or is it the case that the fleet is quite simply not being satisfactorily maintained? And a thorough overhaul of the maintenance regime would resolve these repeated short formed services?

Is it time for EMR to replace 360s with 350s or more modern stock? Or is it not the stock but the poor fleet maintenance which is at fault?
9 serviceable units out of a fleet of 21 is atrocious performance. Something needs to be done. The repeated failures and insufficient standby units is seriously affecting the standard of service.
I imagine that if they were given 350s, they'd go to pot within a couple of years...
 

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