This. I get a bus 3-4 times a month and I don't know the fair. I used to get the bus more but ULEZ has slowed the buses so much that when visiting the next suburb I run or walk (yay) or drive (not yay)
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The 2024 London Mayoral Election
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jon81uk
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How has ULEZ, which if anything would have taken cars off the road caused buses to slow down?
That might have been the theory but in practice our local ULEZ has moved cars onto the main roads which are bus routes...
Are you confusing ULEZ with LTNs?
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Or 20 mph zones?
I think Boris winning the Mayoralty in 2008 was a case of good timing and things falling in his favour. Ken Livingstone was unpopular and piled on the press and Labour was in decline as well. Susan Hall in comparison has the Tories at an all time low and also Sadiq is well regarded, combine that with car crash interviews and very little charisma and you can see why many don't give her much hope.
I do think Sadiq Khan is not resting on his laurels which he easily could have done.
I do think Sadiq Khan is not resting on his laurels which he easily could have done.
jon81uk
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ULEZ applies to all roads within the zones, it won't move cars to other roads.
You might be thinking of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods which are designed to stop cars speeding through smaller roads not designed for that use (rat runs) and were meant to move cars to the roads designed as main roads, keeping pedestrians, cyclists and children safer on the small roads outside their homes.
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As far as I know Galloway will be standing, or should I say rabblerousing, but I don't see many who might have voted for Khan supporting him, with his latest nonsense that Russia and China aren't the enemy but the Conservatives and ''the main opposition party'' are. He even pronounces Russia and China in a Trump-like way, maybe a tribute act from one megalomaniac to another.
Corbyn standing might take some votes from Khan, but it is FPTP now so no chance of getting an alliance between him and Galloway on second choices, not that that would make any difference to the result.
Galloway is sailing very close to the wind now, but craves what he'd see as martyrdom: perhaps it will come under a Labour government.
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Thats pretty standard view for the left wing of the left
deltic
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Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone when he stood as an independent shows that if you are a known personality then you have a chance of getting some traction. The Tories having picked completely unknowns for the last few elections have shot themselves in the foot.
The Mayors a bit of a interesting one. In general I support devolution but it does leave these situations where nobody is really accountable. Is the Mayor really accountable for knife crime in the capital? Partly so sure as he has some responsibility along with national government for the Met (Let's not forget that Cressida Dick would still be commissioner if it was solely up to the Home Secretary). But how much responsible? 10%? 50%
Central government have announced 6 times now they are banning 'zombie knifes' so why would Londoners think that Susan Hall would be able to change that?
Housing - again there is the constant blame game of whose fault the housing shortage is between the Mayors office and central government.
Transport - The only real thing the Mayor has responsibility for and he's kneecapped to what he can and can't do by central government funding stipulations (X money can only be used for X purpose) and has very limited powers to do much else as local councils have a lot of power to block things they don't agree with (Speed limits, cycle lanes, bus lanes etc) Not like most of major metropolitan areas such as Paris where the mayor can make huge sweeping decisions
All in all the mayor doesn't really matter that much. If Hall wins then she will spend the vast majority of her term blaming the incoming labour government for anything bad
Central government have announced 6 times now they are banning 'zombie knifes' so why would Londoners think that Susan Hall would be able to change that?
Housing - again there is the constant blame game of whose fault the housing shortage is between the Mayors office and central government.
Transport - The only real thing the Mayor has responsibility for and he's kneecapped to what he can and can't do by central government funding stipulations (X money can only be used for X purpose) and has very limited powers to do much else as local councils have a lot of power to block things they don't agree with (Speed limits, cycle lanes, bus lanes etc) Not like most of major metropolitan areas such as Paris where the mayor can make huge sweeping decisions
All in all the mayor doesn't really matter that much. If Hall wins then she will spend the vast majority of her term blaming the incoming labour government for anything bad
I think if Susan Hall wins and there is a Labour Government then I can’t see the Government being like the current the one and depriving TfL of funding or not supporting London.
Hall would have to be less confrontational as Mayor as well
Hall would have to be less confrontational as Mayor as well
Perhaps but I'm sure they would put attach their own strings to any funding
Re ULEZ bus times - surely, if anything, ULEZ would speed main roads up as these are where the vast majority of the cameras are
Yes! Sorry. It's the LTNs that have messed up the busses!
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Maybe so, but the point I was making was his inclusion of Labour alongside the Tories, and they were obviously his main target for opprobrium.
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They are generally a matter for the Boroughs and not the Mayor
I suspect any funding by a Labour Government would include keeping ULEZ as it is.
London cannot be used as a political football especially when it comes to transport. If Hall is serious about being Mayor, she has to prepared to work with a Labour Government in order to get the necessary funds.
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Having the Met Commissioner responsible to the Home Secretary and the Mayor is daft - cant serve two masters especially when they have very different agendas. Commissioner should report only to the Mayor.
On Transport the Mayor can do what he wants on the Red Route network which carries the majority of London's traffic in terms of vehicle kilometres. Mayors have introduced congestion charging and ULEZ which are large sweeping decisions, they have driven forward the London Underground, Northern Line extension and the Elizabeth Line with the latter mainly funded by London. He has freedom to set fares, service levels etc. There may not be a revenue stream that Paris can utilise (its payroll tax) but each Mayor has made some sweeping decisions when it comes to transport.
I do think that Corbyn is fundamentally a decent person and - even though he's not on good terms with the Labour leadership - would not want to do anything to increase the Tories' chances in this election.
The problem with that is the Metropolitan Police is responsible for various matters of national importance, which is the Home Secretary’s remit. Unless somehow you could split those off, it has to be under central government oversight.
Sad Sprinter
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What are the parts of national importance?
Anti-terrorism; protection for royalty, diplomats, and other high-profile people or buildings. There may be others, but those came to mind first.
jon81uk
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They probably should do that anyway, split off the national policing such as anti-terrorism (even if it is mainly about London).
Personally speaking I'm not sure that those should be under the Met's remit and we probably would benefit from having a separate national force for things like anti-terrorism, royal protection and whatnot. Perhaps a revamped and rebadged National Crime Agency? Which then means that the Met can be brought wholly under the remit of the Mayor of London improving the accountability of the force as well as the accountability of the Mayor themselves for the failings of the force! The present split seems like that worst of all worlds really.
DarloRich
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However, we don't have a UK "FBI" - which is what you would have to create to build this structure. It is quite a difficult task as it would cut across the powers and responsibilities of the existing territorial forces. At present with the Met leading on these roles the operation is "cooperative" rather than a turf war.
Sadiq Khan holds 25 point lead over Susan Hall:
www.standard.co.uk
While a shock victory for Susan Hall can't be ruled out, I think that the Tories overall unpopularity is hurting their chances in London.
Sadiq Khan opens up 25-point poll lead over Susan Hall in mayor race
EXCLUSIVE: The Labour candidate is on 49% and his Tory rival 24%, according to the YouGov survey for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London
www.standard.co.uk
While a shock victory for Susan Hall can't be ruled out, I think that the Tories overall unpopularity is hurting their chances in London.
jon81uk
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Also the fact that Susan is even more clueless than the rest of the party.Sadiq Khan holds 25 point lead over Susan Hall:
Sadiq Khan opens up 25-point poll lead over Susan Hall in mayor race
EXCLUSIVE: The Labour candidate is on 49% and his Tory rival 24%, according to the YouGov survey for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London
While a shock victory for Susan Hall can't be ruled out, I think that the Tories overall unpopularity is hurting their chances in London.
brad465
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This is something those against Khan haven't necessarily understood: Khan has never been a hugely popular mayor, but his opposition has always been worse, which has helped his standing. Goldsmith smearing him in 2016 didn't help himself, Shaun Bailey said a lot of controversial stuff, and later transpired was strongly implicated in Partygate, and now Susan Hall is similarly poor, if not worse. Third party candidates maybe more competent, but then they don't have the advantage of a strong party banner and its prominence and source of campaign funding.
I think what the Tories really needed was the London equivalent of Andy Street. You can see why Paul Scully was annoyed about not be selected because he probably would have been better.
Personally, I think they need to accept they aren't likely won't win this election and focus on 2028.
telstarbox
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All three Mayors so far already had a certain amount of profile (Khan maybe less but he was in the shadow cabinet) - I doubt that most Londoners have heard of Hall before.
Also the current Tory membership have moved a long way culturally from rich, internationalist, socially liberal Londoners who would need to vote them in. I suspect the most hardcore Tories are also those most likely to relocate or retire outside London so they won't get a vote.
Also the current Tory membership have moved a long way culturally from rich, internationalist, socially liberal Londoners who would need to vote them in. I suspect the most hardcore Tories are also those most likely to relocate or retire outside London so they won't get a vote.