Goldfish62
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As of today, after the AM peak it looks like Reading services are down to just 1 pair of 458s, with 2 pairs of 450s and 4 pairs of 455s.
What an absolute disgrace this is.As of today, after the AM peak it looks like Reading services are down to just 1 pair of 458s, with 2 pairs of 450s and 4 pairs of 455s.
As of today, after the AM peak it looks like Reading services are down to just 1 pair of 458s, with 2 pairs of 450s and 4 pairs of 455s.
Looking at Journey Check it says for some services thatAs of today, after the AM peak it looks like Reading services are down to just 1 pair of 458s, with 2 pairs of 450s and 4 pairs of 455s.
Disabled toilet facilities are reduced.
You have just answers by question.If journeycheck is to be believed then that arrangement could be for today only with a pair of 455s vice a pair of 458s
05:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 07:11
07:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 09:07
09:20 London Waterloo to Reading due 10:43
11:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 12:35
12:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:13
14:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:07
16:20 London Waterloo to Reading due 17:42
18:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 19:34
19:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:13
21:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:07
23:30 London Waterloo to Kingston due 00:15
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
This diagram only reverted from 2*455 back to 2*458 last week, and these temporary changes have a habit of becoming permanent so you may be correct.
Not from my experience. If the diagrammed train has no toilets then there's nothing to be reduced.Looking at Journey Check it says fit some services that
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Will that solely be on the 458 and 450 services or will it be or include the 455 services which have no loos at all?
No. They never have.Would they make extra allowances for this with a stop somewhere on route?
That diagram is booked 455 in the long term plan, but 458 in the short term plan this week, and I assume last. So yes, it is likely to become permanent at some point.If journeycheck is to be believed then that arrangement could be for today only with a pair of 455s vice a pair of 458s
05:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 07:11
07:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 09:07
09:20 London Waterloo to Reading due 10:43
11:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 12:35
12:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 14:13
14:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 16:07
16:20 London Waterloo to Reading due 17:42
18:09 Reading to London Waterloo due 19:34
19:50 London Waterloo to Reading due 21:13
21:39 Reading to London Waterloo due 23:07
23:30 London Waterloo to Kingston due 00:15
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
This diagram only reverted from 2*455 back to 2*458 last week, and these temporary changes have a habit of becoming permanent so you may be correct.
Yes, from the unlimited supply of 455s that SWR seem to have!Let's not forget the evening 455 diagram though, which would increase the total number of 455s on the line to 5
Yes, from the unlimited supply of 455s that SWR seem to have!
I was thinking more from trains being switched from diagrams with loos to those without but I realise now that in this case it is trains without loos going to ones with loos. I.E. 455s to 458s.Not from my experience. If the diagrammed train has no toilets then there's nothing to be reduced.
Anyway, the info I got is from RTT, not Journey Check.
Perhaps some of the ex Southern 455s have returned in disguiseYes, from the unlimited supply of 455s that SWR seem to have!
Any idea what these might be?I’m hearing that the 458/4s now have a whole range of route and gauge restrictions and must only go on the dedicated diagrams that will be created for them.
Any idea what these might be?
ThanksNot off the top of my head I’m afraid, but it’s Woking - Waterloo area.
And maybe building up to tell the world how it makes it all too difficult to introduce the 458/4s in the short term to cover for the lack of 701s. How very convenient!I’m hearing that the 458/4s now have a whole range of route and gauge restrictions and must only go on the dedicated diagrams that will be created for them. I don’t know if it’s just a paperwork exercise or whether something substantial has changed with the physics of the units. It would explain why the moves to and from Wembley run as X-paths yet the C4 move (5B39) runs without any such restrictions. The moves of the barrier coaches run as Q-paths which suggest the out of gauge vehicles are the 458/4 themselves.
How do they differ from the 458/0s? In original form the 458/0 fleet ran on that route.Not off the top of my head I’m afraid, but it’s Woking - Waterloo area.
And maybe building up to tell the world how it makes it all too difficult to introduce the 458/4s in the short term to cover for the lack of 701s. How very convenient!
At the risk of asking a stupid question... why?The 458/4s will only go on a series of set diagrams on Weybridge and Windsor services, they won’t be able to do mainline suburban or Readings from what I understand.
Yes, because 12 carriages is more capacious than 10…At the risk of asking a stupid question... why?
They are going back to 4 car units (that's progress for you), they haven't received any significant ride height modifications or anything AFAIK, so what is the problem?
These units are now (apparently) replacing 10 carriage trains on Weybridge and Windsor services. There won't be any 12 carriage formations.Yes, because 12 carriages is more capacious than 10…
The only thing I can see is that the yaw dampers have been refitted as maximum speed is back to 100mph. But they were present on the 458/0s.At the risk of asking a stupid question... why?
They are going back to 4 car units (that's progress for you), they haven't received any significant ride height modifications or anything AFAIK, so what is the problem?
At the risk of asking a stupid question... why?
Very good plenty of life left in them yet and pretty prescient of Stagecoach to retraction themIndeed. This mornings peak is the first that SWR have had 70 455s in passenger use from the fleet of 80(+2). SWR must be about hitting the buffer stops of how many 458 diagrams can be absorbed by the 40 year old 455s.
Which is down to the failed introduction of 701s, meaning these trains, converted with the original intent to operate as 12 carriages on mainline services, are deputising as a stopgap.These units are now (apparently) replacing 10 carriage trains on Weybridge and Windsor services. There won't be any 12 carriage formations.
Even though in previous 4 car format they were literally the only units on Reading services for several years.The 458/4s will only go on a series of set diagrams on Weybridge and Windsor services, they won’t be able to do mainline suburban or Readings from what I understand.
458420 was released from conversion on 26 February. 458428 came out on 7 November last year.My records have 458520 & 458528 as being at Widnes still - is this still the case please?
My records have 458520 & 458528 as being at Widnes still - is this still the case please?