victormildrew
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The vast majority are built, some aren't still, almost all 3 cars without Standard Plus are in service, minus 102 which is still waiting for entry despite being on test recently for millage accumulation. Supposedly 102 and 113 would be next if I were to guess, just me thoughWhat is the current situation regarding 3 cars, are they all built etc.
102 got to the front of the queue months ago. Many of them have had numerous faults identified on testing/acceptance which is why they suddenly dissappear so its very difficult to know which is which. Some sail through and others take months on end to get to pass their mileage accumulation and accepted.Supposedly 102 and 113 would be next if I were to guess, just me though
I see, certainly a problem when you want a 197 to enter service as soon as possible, just to be delayed endlessly without any way of knowing when it will join the fleet. Unfortunately the truth102 got to the front of the queue months ago. Many of them have had numerous faults identified on testing/acceptance which is why they suddenly dissappear so its very difficult to know which is which. Some sail through and others take months on end to get to pass their mileage accumulation and accepted.
Who pays the costs of staffing the testing and mileage accumulation? Is it tfw staff reimbursed by CAF? I assume CAF pay for rectification of all found faults etc? Cheers102 got to the front of the queue months ago. Many of them have had numerous faults identified on testing/acceptance which is why they suddenly dissappear so its very difficult to know which is which. Some sail through and others take months on end to get to pass their mileage accumulation and accepted.
Until they're accepted they're not crewed or operated by tfw at all as they aren't part of the fleet.Who pays the costs of staffing the testing and mileage accumulation? Is it tfw staff reimbursed by CAF? I assume CAF pay for rectification of all found faults etc? Cheers
Ultimately the costs will all be paid by TfW via the leasing charges.Until they're accepted they're not crewed or operated by tfw at all as they aren't part of the fleet.
I believe they use Rail operations group drivers for the mileage accumulation plus CAF technicians.
If it's not accepted by TFW then surely it's still CAFs responsibility?Ultimately the costs will all be paid by TfW via the leasing charges.
I wonder if there's a penalty payable by CAF in those circumstances?If it's not accepted by TFW then surely it's still CAFs responsibility?
I wouldn't pay for a new car that was in a condition to drive.
Also hearing from some train crews that several 197s are having engine issues. 3 cars with only 2 engines running and 2 cars having to be run attached with other 2 cars because of having an engine out.
It's showing internally as being paired with 153913 for the entire journey, unsure which one is right!1W60 today is a single car 153 through to Manchester, very annoyingly so with 2 197/1s on Maestegs and more, plenty to be swapped off at the cost of a bit of lateness.Realtime Trains | 1W60 1101 Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly | 13/04/2024
Real-time train running information for 1W60 1101 departure from Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly on 13/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
I noticed that too. At first I thought it was odd they added an extra carriage at Carmarthen only to remove it at Swansea. Then realised it was the same 153 down twice.No doubt TfW has some genius excuse like the diagram software cant cope with the fact that a 153 does not have 5 carriages. Similar bull we got about how it was not possible to write an IF statement into the code to prevent Northern 150s being allocated to a Manchester.
We have to assume that this is a RTT error and that there is actually another unit on it. I note that where it shows 2 car between Carmarthen and Swansea on the way to Manchester both 153s carry the same number.
Thank you.153913 is paired with 153325.
I am doing more driving instead now.I noticed that too. At first I thought it was odd they added an extra carriage at Carmarthen only to remove it at Swansea. Then realised it was the same 153 down twice.
I really think its bad that 153s and 150s are still turning up on 197 diagrams to Manchester and Holyhead I realise they will probably come up with excuses such as its that or a cancelled train but it really isnt good enough in my opinion. 12 months on from when we were told Sprinters would be gone from the Manchesters before Dec 2023.
Certainly paired with another unit as saw it whilst walking the dog this morning.No doubt TfW has some genius excuse like the diagram software cant cope with the fact that a 153 does not have 5 carriages. Similar bull we got about how it was not possible to write an IF statement into the code to prevent Northern 150s being allocated to a Manchester.
We have to assume that this is a RTT error and that there is actually another unit on it. I note that where it shows 2 car between Carmarthen and Swansea on the way to Manchester both 153s carry the same number.
Weird thing for a train to doCertainly paired with another unit as saw it walking the dog this morning.
Oops I think my cider had gotten to me before I had even drank it... it didn't half scare her when she was in the field and it went past sounding the horn.Weird thing for a train to do
I was on the Northbound service. That is incorrect, it was in fact 153321 paired with 153325 on that working. The PIS at Cardiff also showed 1 coach.153913 is paired with 153325.
Won't let me upload the video, but I can confirm the 21:30 MAN-SHR on 31/05/23 was a single 153.A single 153 will never go from Cardiff to Manchester or anywhere along the marches for that matter, except Heart of Wales of course. It simply wouldn't be allowed. Must be an error somewhere.
it does happen very occasionally and I believe the 2155 Cardiff-Crewe and a similar journey from Shrewsbury to Cardiff is booked for a single 153 which is sufficient capacity at that time of day.I was on the Northbound service. That is incorrect, it was in fact 153321 paired with 153325 on that working. The PIS at Cardiff also showed 1 coach.
As for "a single 153 would never reach Manchester"...
Bear with me on that!
Won't let me upload the video, but I can confirm the 21:30 MAN-SHR on 31/05/23 was a single 153.
I've found out recently that the 21:55 CDF-CRE is booked a single 153.it does happen very occasionally and I believe the 2155 Cardiff-Crewe and a similar journey from Shrewsbury to Cardiff is booked for a single 153 which is sufficient capacity at that time of day.
Manchester Shrewsbury at 2130 on a Wednesday night is not Cardiff Manchester though which is what I said.I was on the Northbound service. That is incorrect, it was in fact 153321 paired with 153325 on that working. The PIS at Cardiff also showed 1 coach.
As for "a single 153 would never reach Manchester"...
Bear with me on that!
Won't let me upload the video, but I can confirm the 21:30 MAN-SHR on 31/05/23 was a single 153.
I believe it was December the first 197s ran to Fishguard in passenger service the same day as to Milford Haven.3 car 197 with Standard Plus on the Fishguard boat train.
When was the first 197 to Fishguard?
Does the 2130 form from a previous arrival splitting? I think it might? RTT shows 2 x 2 car 197s on the 21:15 arrival on Wednesday (for example): https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P64627/2024-04-10/detailed#allox_id=3Manchester Shrewsbury at 2130 on a Wednesday night is not Cardiff Manchester though which is what I said.
The 2155 Cardiff Crewe is booked a 153 because it can cope with the capacity required at that time of day.