June 2024 Timetable Change

[30907]

But you could just make them leave later

If you mean the Clactons, you would be back to needing 3 units for Colchester Town.

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

If you mean the Clactons, you would be back to needing 3 units for Colchester Town.

You make the Clactons leave later to meet their geml paths and you then have the Waltons to Colchester, calling at Colchester town. And then have no Colchester to Colchester town shuttle. This would require 2 units, one more than currently

 

[30907]

You make the Clactons leave later to meet their geml paths and you then have the Waltons to Colchester, calling at Colchester town. And then have no Colchester to Colchester town shuttle. This would require 2 units, one more than currently

Yes, that would be fine, assuming that the principal demand is from the Tendring direction not the main line.

 

[Llandudno]

Yeah then probably do a Colchester to Colchester town shuttle

Surely it would be easier and cheaper to run a free bus using one vehicle every 20 minutes from North Station to the City Centre/Town Station?

 

[greaterangrier]

Here's an extract from the TSR3 of the old 2016 franchise which promised services to Colchester Town on Sundays.

This also promised direct to London 3tph to Southend, 1tph to Braintree and 2tph to Norwich (3tph to Ipswich).

If the stops between the Ipswich stopper and Clacton stopper were balanced - perhaps the opening of Beaulieu Park would do this - it is possible to have 2tph to Colchester Town connecting to both London services.

You make the Clactons leave later to meet their geml paths and you then have the Waltons to Colchester, calling at Colchester town. And then have no Colchester to Colchester town shuttle. This would require 2 units, one more than currently

Marks Tey would then get a 15/45 separation between services. Chelmsford would then get 20/40, as on Sundays it only receives 2tph. This also requires 3 units, but they could be used to provide a second train per hour to Colchester Town during the long turnaround time to combat this.

Exchanging Hythe, Alresford and Great Bentley stops for Ingatestone, Hatfield Peverel and Kelvedon stops for the Clacton services would cause the 30 minute gap between Up/Dn services at Colchester to become the required 15 minutes separation between Up/Dn as on the weekdays. Extending the Walton stopper would then give intermediate stations between Clacton and Colchester a 2 unit service at exactly 30 minutes opposite to weekdays.

This would also stop the Norwich service catching up the Ipswich stopper so a 2tph service London-Ipswich runs 5 minutes apart.

Anglia really has a poor Sunday timetable, which is absolutely not limited by engineering work but by questionable timetabling to which I cannot see why certain decisions have been made.

Realistically, none of the simple ideas above will ever happen and even a barebones 4tph total service to London will continue to find itself running at minimum headway, 3 minutes apart for years to come.

 

[dk1]

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Here's an extract from the TSR3 of the old 2016 franchise which promised services to Colchester Town on Sundays.

This also promised direct to London 3tph to Southend, 1tph to Braintree and 2tph to Norwich (3tph to Ipswich).

If the stops between the Ipswich stopper and Clacton stopper were balanced - perhaps the opening of Beaulieu Park would do this - it is possible to have 2tph to Colchester Town connecting to both London services.

Ah the famous regular through services from the Sudbury branch that where never going to be permitted on any day of the week. You’d think they would have proof read first for spelling mistakes

 

[Alfie1014]

Well that started a lively debate, as others have said mirroring the weekday/Saturday timetable on a Sunday works in one direction but not the other without a significant rewrite of the GEML so back to the drawing board!

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

View attachment 158482

Here's an extract from the TSR3 of the old 2016 franchise which promised services to Colchester Town on Sundays.

This also promised direct to London 3tph to Southend, 1tph to Braintree and 2tph to Norwich (3tph to Ipswich).

If the stops between the Ipswich stopper and Clacton stopper were balanced - perhaps the opening of Beaulieu Park would do this - it is possible to have 2tph to Colchester Town connecting to both London services.

Everything there makes a lot of sense except for through Sudbury services

 

[dk1]

Although Norwich-Liverpool St gets a faster service Mondays-Fridays 08:00up/17:00dn taking 98 & 99 minutes respectively calling Diss, Stowmarket, Ipswich & Stratford the fastest trains (and closest to Norwich in 90) will be on Saturdays where the 08:57up/19:00dn will complete the 115 miles in 93mins calling at Diss & Ipswich only both ways. Quickest Liv St-Ipswich is 56min (SO) 58min (SX).

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

Although Norwich-Liverpool St gets a faster service Mondays-Fridays 08:00up/17:00dn taking 98 & 99 minutes respectively calling Diss, Stowmarket, Ipswich & Stratford the fastest trains (and closest to Norwich in 90) will be on Saturdays where the 08:57up/19:00dn will complete the 115 miles in 93mins calling at Diss & Ipswich only both ways. Quickest Liv St-Ipswich is 56min (SO) 58min (SX).

No stowmarket or stratford calls on Saturday. I suppose the weekday up one is Norwich in 90 (to Stratford)

 

[dk1]

No stowmarket or stratford calls on Saturday. I suppose the weekday up one is Norwich in 90 (to Stratford)

Norwich crews booked to work the up weekday & down Saturday services too

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

Norwich crews booked to work the up weekday & down Saturday services too

Bet that'll be fun not really having to slow down except for the Braintree at witham

 

[Adrian1980uk]

Bet that'll be fun not really having to slow down except for the Braintree at witham

That's the thing though, to speed up the Liverpool Street to Norwich isn't about missing stops, it's about getting clear tracks. Between London and Colchester most times I travel (17:50 or 18:30 mostly) 8 to 10 minutes early at Witham then queue to Colchester

 

[dk1]

Bet that'll be fun not really having to slow down except for the Braintree at witham

Looks like it’s been retimed 2 minutes earlier so as not to get on my nerves.

 

[jammmmmsssssss]

Looks like it’s been retimed 2 minutes earlier so as not to get on my nerves.

Yeah but the InterCitys often run early, and there's only a gap of 2 minutes

 

[dk1]

Yeah but the InterCitys often run early, and there's only a gap of 2 minutes

Soon make that up no problem with our rocketing Stadler fleet.

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Gives me something to get my teeth into.

 

[NorthStaffs]

The DfT. Those trains don't make money. Not running them is a cost saving on paper.

Same with Nottingham to Crewe, where despite the trains being far busier than they ever were previously carrying a reasonable amount of long distance traffic and having had an hourly service all day for decades the DfT is of the view that parking a unit up during the day and creating randomly gaps in a reliable hourly service is a worthwhile cost saving, with the prospectus for the next few years showing the potential restoration of the hourly service as an actual improvement to be delivered, despite the fact that the trains and crews required are already within the business.

Yes EMR/DFT seem to have favoured routes and the Newark/Nottingham to Crewe one alas is not. Despite being one of the relatively few east to west routes the section, particularly between Derby and Stoke is grossly underused. What's frustrating is the seeming lack of interest by the local councils in pressing EMR to reinstate the precovid hourly Monday to Saturday service or the promised earlier start than 3pm on a Sunday. Yet there's no issue with improving the parallel A50 dual carriageway.
That frustration is made worse by the MP's representing constituencies served by the line (almost all Conservative) not pressing their Government and DFT. The announcement of the General Election might see some binding promises made. We can but hope.

 

[frodshamfella]

TfW don't serve towns between Runcorn and Crewe though.

No they don't, but I use them to Frodsham, which is close by.

 

[PurplesTrains]

Ah ok.

Can see the 1015 diverts, and takes 8 extra minutes.

Presumably some kind of one-off clash at Woking Junction but wonder why, as it's well into the off-peak?

Freight working?

No, its SWR, if you check RTT thats what it shows!

 

[nw1]

No, its SWR, if you check RTT thats what it shows!

What I meant was: is the reason why it's been diverted due to a conflict with a one-off freight working?

But the question has been answered in any case.

 

[David Turner]

Just noticed that the new Network Rail timetable from the 2nd June is available for downloading from:

Electronic national rail timetable - Network Rail

David Turner, Adelaide, South Australia

 

[rich.davies]

I've spotted the below on RTT, not seen it before so I'm curious as to why a bus service from Barmouth to Wrexham, has now appeared in the planner from June.

It's showing return workings from the 10th of June, is TFW integrating the TrawsCymru bus service into the planners now for combined ticketing?

Realtime Trains | Departures from Llangollen Parade Street all day on 03/06/2024

Train information at Llangollen Parade Street all day on 03/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I've spotted the below on RTT, not seen it before so I'm curious as to why a bus service from Barmouth to Wrexham, has now appeared in the planner from June.

It's showing return workings from the 10th of June, is TFW integrating the TrawsCymru bus service into the planners now for combined ticketing?

Realtime Trains | Departures from Llangollen Parade Street all day on 03/06/2024

Train information at Llangollen Parade Street all day on 03/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Looks like it, Dolgellau Eldon Square (and other bus-only locations) has a three letter code now.
I can find the T2, T3 and T3A all in RTT

Realtime Trains | Departures from Sgwar Eldon Sq all day on 03/06/2024

Train information at Sgwar Eldon Sq all day on 03/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[mangyiscute]

Looks like it, Dolgellau Eldon Square (and other bus-only locations) has a three letter code now.
I can find the T2, T3 and T3A all in RTT

I guess they've just forgotten to put in the Wrexham to Barmouth services, as currently it only has Barmouth to Wrexham services.
I also think it's odd that they've got the buses terminating at Wrexham General, when they in fact terminate at the bus station which is a 10 min walk away and the closest stop is about a 5 min walk from the station, but the buses call right outside Ruabon station which isn't even included as a stop in RTT - considering most of the trains from Wrexham also call at Ruabon, that is the place most people would choose to change onto the train at (especially as you can sometimes make an earlier train too).

They've also got some of the T10 (Bangor to Corwen services) in the timetable, but this one has been done even more poorly since it only shows service towards Capel Curig and has them all terminate there, with zero intermediate stops (even at Betws-y-Coed), which is very odd: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...24-06-03/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

It's good to see them trying to integrate the Traws Cymru into train timetables, as presumably these will show up in journey planners and offer some people faster routes that they didn't know existed, but it needs to be done much more consistently than this.

 

[185]

'Llangollen Bus' was a destination for some time on fare systems but rarely loaded up with any fares. Should dispose with the bus or add-on nonsense and add all Trawscymru/Trawscambria as permanent, ordinary TfW destinations for rail ticketing / routing. Also agree Ruabon is a primary interchange point which should be loaded onto systems.

 

[wls1]

c2c timetable PDF has been released now for June timetable, in AM peak 720 usage increases to 10/12 units and PM increases to 9/10 units, this is up from 8/12 AM and 6/12 PM peak.

There are also 720s running Fenchurch - Shoeburyness services throughout morning and afternoon + units on Fenchurch - Grays in the late evenings. Hopefully this releases 357s for the refurbishment programme over the next few years.

As well as this and the return to 4 TPH off peak, the following peak time changes are:

Additional Services:

• 07:08 Leigh-on-Sea to London Fenchurch Street service will call at all stations to Basildon, then West Ham, Limehouse and Fenchurch Street
• 07:45 Shoeburyness to London Fenchurch Street will call at all stations to Chalkwell, then Basildon, West Horndon, Upminster, West Ham, Limehouse and Fenchurch Street

Service Changes:

• 06:45 Shoeburyness to London Fenchurch Street will depart at 06:48, and no longer call at Pitsea, Basildon, West Ham or Limehouse
• 08:03 Leigh-on-Sea to Fenchurch Street will depart at 08:04, and no longer call at West Horndon

Reminder: 190 Extra Weekly Services for c2c Customers from June 2 | Trains to/from London, Southend & Essex with c2c Rail

For trains to and from London, Southend and elsewhere in Essex, plus timetables, ticket sales, information and events and offers, visit c2c-online.co.uk

www.c2c-online.co.uk

https://www.c2c-online.co.uk/app/uploads/2024/05/6655b351d3b4b-6655b351d3b4c5362_Working_TT_Booklet_Digital_Landscape.pdf.pdf

 

[Baji]

Obviously on Saturdays, services on routes between London Victoria and Epsom/Dorking/Horsham route will be increased to run with 8 or 10 coaches on Saturdays from June 2024. But were there any trade offs to make those changes. Like for example London Victoria to West Croydon or London Bridge services via Crystal Palace runs with 8 cars instead of 10 to ensure the Tulse Hill routes ran with 6 coaches instead of 5 unless train are getting more train units to join the fleet.

 

[PGAT]

Obviously on Saturdays, services on routes between London Victoria and Epsom/Dorking/Horsham route will be increased to run with 8 or 10 coaches on Saturdays from June 2024. But were there any trade offs to make those changes. Like for example London Victoria to West Croydon or London Bridge services via Crystal Palace runs with 8 cars instead of 10 to ensure the Tulse Hill routes ran with 6 coaches instead of 5 unless train are getting more train units to join the fleet.

I think Southern stated the trade-off was removing the Friday Littlehampton - London Bridge service and cutting back from Hemel Hempstead to Watford Junction. But that's more to do with mileage than available units

 

[splashoutradio]

I've spotted the below on RTT, not seen it before so I'm curious as to why a bus service from Barmouth to Wrexham, has now appeared in the planner from June.

It's showing return workings from the 10th of June, is TFW integrating the TrawsCymru bus service into the planners now for combined ticketing?

Realtime Trains | Departures from Llangollen Parade Street all day on 03/06/2024

Train information at Llangollen Parade Street all day on 03/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I noticed this too, when compiling Cambrian line timetables - Traws Cymru T2 journeys show up as permanent bus journeys between Aberystwyth and Machynlleth (https://www.railwaydata.co.uk/timetables/May24/?table=152)

It's a great idea including TrawsCymru services in the national rail system, as they compliment each other well, and it helps intergrate ticketing & journey planning across a greater area of Cymru. As mentioned by others though, there are some glaring errors and omissions that have been in the system for months, but hopefully they'll be ironed out soon.

 

[GW43125]

Looking at going to Norwich in a couple of weeks and discovered that the 1930 up has disappeared in the new timetable! Is it really that empty on a summer Saturday that they can go hourly in the evening?