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Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

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Cross City situation today.

006 + 011 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
012 + 031 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
015 + 019 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
020 + 047 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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201 + 203 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
216 + 218 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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007 + 046 - Four Oaks - Redditch
017 + 045 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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211 + 240 - Four Oaks - Redditch
215 - Four Oaks - Redditch
222 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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022 - New St - Wolves/Walsall

005 - Soho
018 - Soho

037 - Soho - Walsall/Hednesford (On test/Training)

Ive added the 323s remaining in red but its reaching a point where the old guard are in the minority now!
 
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Geeves said:
Cross City situation today.

006 + 011 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
012 + 031 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
015 + 019 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
020 + 047 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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201 + 203 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
216 + 218 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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007 + 046 - Four Oaks - Redditch
017 + 045 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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211 + 240 - Four Oaks - Redditch
215 - Four Oaks - Redditch
222 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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022 - New St - Wolves/Walsall

005 - Soho
018 - Soho

037 - Soho - Walsall/Hednesford (On test/Training)

Ive added the 323s remaining in red but its reaching a point where the old guard are in the minority now!
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Good idea for comparison purposes, thanks.
 
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Geeves said:
Cross City situation today.

006 + 011 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
012 + 031 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
015 + 019 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
020 + 047 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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201 + 203 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
216 + 218 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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007 + 046 - Four Oaks - Redditch
017 + 045 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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211 + 240 - Four Oaks - Redditch
215 - Four Oaks - Redditch
222 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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022 - New St - Wolves/Walsall

005 - Soho
018 - Soho

037 - Soho - Walsall/Hednesford (On test/Training)

Ive added the 323s remaining in red but its reaching a point where the old guard are in the minority now!
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Any idea on the Euston end for 730s please ?.
 
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Geeves said:
Cross City situation today.

006 + 011 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
012 + 031 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
015 + 019 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
020 + 047 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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201 + 203 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
216 + 218 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove
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007 + 046 - Four Oaks - Redditch
017 + 045 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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211 + 240 - Four Oaks - Redditch
215 - Four Oaks - Redditch
222 - Four Oaks - Redditch
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022 - New St - Wolves/Walsall

005 - Soho
018 - Soho

037 - Soho - Walsall/Hednesford (On test/Training)

Ive added the 323s remaining in red but its reaching a point where the old guard are in the minority now!
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I'm finding this information interesting, but I'd like to understand a bit more about the diagrams.
If I stand on a Crosscity line platform and a Redditch-Four Oaks arrived, in 2 and a half-hours the same unit(s) should arrive, so I'd have seen four different trains.
Similarly if a Bromsgrove-Lichfield arrives, in 3 hours I'd see the same unit(s) again, so I'd have seen five different trains.
My simple mind says only nine diagrams are required. Your list shows eleven.

Is the difference because some diagrams don't last the whole of the service day, so units are in effect swapped?
 
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Peter Sarf said:
Any idea on the Euston end for 730s please ?.
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No news yet as far as I’m aware, posted something over here a few days back:

West Midlands Class 323 - the final countdown

Another quick update for the day 201 - Four Oaks - Redditch 203 - Soho 204 + 217 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove 211 - Soho 213 + 222 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove 214 - Wolverton 215 - Soho 216 + 221 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove 218 + 240 - Four Oaks - Redditch 219 + 242 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove...
www.railforums.co.uk
 
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crosscity said:
I'm finding this information interesting, but I'd like to understand a bit more about the diagrams.
If I stand on a Crosscity line platform and a Redditch-Four Oaks arrived, in 2 and a half-hours the same unit(s) should arrive, so I'd have seen four different trains.
Similarly if a Bromsgrove-Lichfield arrives, in 3 hours I'd see the same unit(s) again, so I'd have seen five different trains.
My simple mind says only nine diagrams are required. Your list shows eleven.

Is the difference because some diagrams don't last the whole of the service day, so units are in effect swapped?
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Your maths is incorrect. After 2.5 hours you will have seen 5 Redditch units (00:00 = 1, 00:30 = 2, 01:00 = 3, 01:30 = 4, 02:00 = 5 and then 02:30 = 1). Similarly, 6 Bromsgrove units over 3 hours. (It’s like the old school problem with the number of telegraph poles being one more than the number of gaps between the poles.)
 
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barbette165 said:
Your maths is incorrect. After 2.5 hours you will have seen 5 Redditch units (00:00 = 1, 00:30 = 2, 01:00 = 3, 01:30 = 4, 02:00 = 5 and then 02:30 = 1). Similarly, 6 Bromsgrove units over 3 hours. (It’s like the old school problem with the number of telegraph poles being one more than the number of gaps between the poles.)
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Nicely explained. It's my age!
 
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Jamesrob637 said:

Realtime Trains | 2A11 0848 Wolverhampton to Walsall | 18/06/2024

Real-time train running information for 2A11 0848 departure from Wolverhampton to Walsall on 18/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is this a 730, does anybody know?
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No, its not

The 730 diagram leaves Wolverhampton at:

07:48
10:18
12:48
15:18
17:48
20:18
22:48

The other trains on the circuit are class 350.

Hope this helps.
 
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bnsf734 said:
No, its not

The 730 diagram leaves Wolverhampton at:

07:48
10:18
12:48
15:18
17:48
20:18
22:48

The other trains on the circuit are class 350.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks! It held me up this morning into Birmingham NS.
 
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These babies are now coming in thick and fast. Love to see it, make my commute much more pleasant.
 
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Peter Sarf said:
Any idea on the Euston end for 730s please ?.
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Here's the London/South/North ones for today Peter

002 + 010 - Euston - Tring/MK
003 + 036 - Euston - Tring/MK (Peaks)
016 + 021 - Euston - Tring/MK
038 + 048 - Euston - Tring/MK (Peaks)


001 - Bletchley - Soho - 5G00
004 - Rugby
013 - Bletchley CS
014 - Old Dalby
023 - Crewe CS
024 - Crewe - Liverpool SP (Training/testing)
027 - Rugby
030 - Crewe CS
032 - Crewe LNWR CS
037 - Soho - Stafford
039 - Soho - Bletchley CS - 5B01
 
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Does anyone have an accurate list of which 730s are stored at Doncaster Belmont.
My notes state 730025/26/34/35/42/43 and 730205/14/19/222.
Is that correct.
Many thanks in advance.
 
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Geeves said:
Here's the London/South/North ones for today Peter

002 + 010 - Euston - Tring/MK
003 + 036 - Euston - Tring/MK (Peaks)
016 + 021 - Euston - Tring/MK
038 + 048 - Euston - Tring/MK (Peaks)


001 - Bletchley - Soho - 5G00
004 - Rugby
013 - Bletchley CS
014 - Old Dalby
023 - Crewe CS
024 - Crewe - Liverpool SP (Training/testing)
027 - Rugby
030 - Crewe CS
032 - Crewe LNWR CS
037 - Soho - Stafford
039 - Soho - Bletchley CS - 5B01
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730029 + 730041 joining this list this evening after being dropped off at Willesden TMD from Belmont Yard
 
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DBS92042 said:
730029 + 730041 joining this list this evening after being dropped off at Willesden TMD from Belmont Yard
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Bargain !. Trp to Willesden required - thanks.

Question - It seems the 730/0s (meant for Birmingham) come to Willesden (or at least South WCML) for acceptance, Fault Free Running and use before going to Birmingham. Is that correct ?.
 
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Peter Sarf said:
Bargain !. Trp to Willesden required - thanks.

Question - It seems the 730/0s (meant for Birmingham) come to Willesden (or at least South WCML) for acceptance, Fault Free Running and use before going to Birmingham. Is that correct ?.
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Not necessarily. After Willesden units could be delivered to Bletchley for final fettling similar to the way 720's go to Ilford. Just keep watching PTS.

HTh
 
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Terry Williams said:
Not necessarily. After Willesden units could be delivered to Bletchley for final fettling similar to the way 720's go to Ilford. Just keep watching PTS.

HTh
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Yes Bletchley figures quite prominently. Also Camden sometimes has a pair of 730/0s that are not in passenger service (also not forgetting the long term residents 730210, 730211, 730212 & 730217).

I think I will await these 730/0s inevitable use being exposed on PTS on the South WCML. I assume passenger use on the South WCML is inevitable before going to Birmingham ?.
 
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Travelled on one for the first time today. It was a 6 car train almost completely full even though there is a lot of standing space. I thought they were going to be used as 9 car trains on the Tring and MK locals? I hope the 730/2 will run as 10 car trains when they enter service. If they run as 5 car trains there will be problems.
 
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Razor1967 said:
Does anyone have an accurate list of which 730s are stored at Doncaster Belmont.
My notes state 730025/26/34/35/42/43 and 730205/14/19/222.
Is that correct.
Many thanks in advance.
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I saw 205 as I went past today, but couldn't ID any others. Would also welcome confirmation!
 
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This may have been mentioned before and I wonder if anyone else has noticed: I travelled on 730010+730002 on 11th June from Euston to Watford and noticed that the automatic passenger announcements were telling us that "This is a West Midlands service to Tring" - which of course it was not. All automated announcements stated that it was a "West Midlands" service but of course it is a London North Western service, which was correctly announced on the 350 that I changed into at Watford. One assumes that the 730/0s are programmed to say "West Midlands" and you can't overrule it.
 
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@Geeves

PTS reporting 730s on passenger service but I am up near Euston today so wondering if there are any on test at the London end within zone 6ish or resting at Camden/Willesden. Have not got a sniff of new test candidates 730029 and 730041.
 
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Peter Sarf said:
@Geeves

PTS reporting 730s on passenger service but I am up near Euston today so wondering if there are any on test at the London end within zone 6ish or resting at Camden/Willesden. Have not got a sniff of new test candidates 730029 and 730041.
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Peter, see if this is any use for you

002 + 010 - Euston Tring (peaks)
003 + 036 - Euston Tring (peaks)
013 + 048 - Euston - Tring
021 + 039 - Euston Tring (peaks)

004 - Rugby
016 - Bletchley CS
027 - Rugby
038 - Bletchley CS

041 is up in Sunny Birmingham testing away!
 
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Geeves said:
Peter, see if this is any use for you

002 + 010 - Euston Tring (peaks)
003 + 036 - Euston Tring (peaks)
013 + 048 - Euston - Tring
021 + 039 - Euston Tring (peaks)

004 - Rugby
016 - Bletchley CS
027 - Rugby
038 - Bletchley CS

041 is up in Sunny Birmingham testing away!
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Thanks @Geeves , looks like 29 and 41 have slipped past me !. I am really getting towards the scraping the bottom of the barrel stage with the twelve (25%) of the 730/0s I have left to get !.
 
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5Q72 Doncaster Belmont to Willesden TMD ran today 25/6: Departed Doncaster some 80 min late but still managed to arrive Willesden 3 min early ! Does anyone know what was converyed please ?
 
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wickham said:
5Q72 Doncaster Belmont to Willesden TMD ran today 25/6: Departed Doncaster some 80 min late but still managed to arrive Willesden 3 min early ! Does anyone know what was converyed please ?
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730043
 
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