Cricket

[Jimini]

Up to this game, had India won all their matches?

Yep, as have SA. Can't really grumble at the final lineup.

(Their game against Canada was rained off but can't blame them for that one!)

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The Indian Women team are not doing too badly either. On day 1 of the Womens International Test Match Series, against South Africa Women, India amassed a total of 525-4 in 98 overs.

Verma 205 not out with 8 x 6 and 23 x 4 together with Mandhana 149 with 1 x 6 and 26 x 4 had an opening stand of 291.

 

[davehsug]

This tournament has proved conclusively the stranglehold that BCCI have over world cricket. All competitions seem to be run to their wishes and always to fit in with the IPL. We should not be playing a world tournament in the Carribean at this time of year. The English domestic season is a mess, and we'll soon have the pointless Hundred upon us. 1st July in 2 days, and no sign of a test match. I can see a time coming when the other international teams are going to have to stand up to India, but no doubt the money will win out.

 

[Busaholic]

This tournament has proved conclusively the stranglehold that BCCI have over world cricket. All competitions seem to be run to their wishes and always to fit in with the IPL. We should not be playing a world tournament in the Carribean at this time of year. The English domestic season is a mess, and we'll soon have the pointless Hundred upon us. 1st July in 2 days, and no sign of a test match. I can see a time coming when the other international teams are going to have to stand up to India, but no doubt the money will win out.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Jimini]

This tournament has proved conclusively the stranglehold that BCCI have over world cricket. All competitions seem to be run to their wishes and always to fit in with the IPL. We should not be playing a world tournament in the Carribean at this time of year. The English domestic season is a mess, and we'll soon have the pointless Hundred upon us. 1st July in 2 days, and no sign of a test match. I can see a time coming when the other international teams are going to have to stand up to India, but no doubt the money will win out.

Well said.

 

[Harvester]

India have beaten South Africa by 7 runs to win the T20 WC.

 

[jfollows]

India have beaten South Africa by 7 runs to win the T20 WC.

Thanks, in part, to one of those brilliant catches which would never even have been attempted in Richie Benaud's time in which the fielder (Suryakumar Yadav at long-off) throws the ball into the air, crosses the boundary line and comes back in again to catch it again.

 

[Jimini]

India have beaten South Africa by 7 runs to win the T20 WC.

One might say SA choked. Think it was down to a run a ball with four overs left? Fair play to the Indians for getting over the line. That catch as well….

 

[Busaholic]

One might say SA choked. Think it was down to a run a ball with four overs left? Fair play to the Indians for getting over the line. That catch as well….

Agree with you, but maybe it was in the stars that on this occasion Virat Kohli's class and brilliance won over after it wasn't to be in India last Autumn. He really did save his by far best performance for when it truly counted.

 

[HST43257]

One might say SA choked. Think it was down to a run a ball with four overs left? Fair play to the Indians for getting over the line. That catch as well….

30 required from 30 after a superb Klaasen over, then he got out and they cramped up

 

[Busaholic]

30 required from 30 after a superb Klaasen over, then he got out and they cramped up

Sharma, Kohli and Jadeja have all now retired from T20 cricket. Time for at least three England players to do so too.

 

[jfollows]

Time to retire T20 cricket, I say. I mean, it's a bit of fun, but it's now incessant, it doesn't seem to stop. I've breathed a sigh of relief that I might be able to watch better cricket now.

 

[HST43257]

Time to retire T20 cricket, I say. I mean, it's a bit of fun, but it's now incessant, it doesn't seem to stop. I've breathed a sigh of relief that I might be able to watch better cricket now.

I’m sure you’ll love to hear that the next 9 weeks of domestic cricket consist of the T20 Blast and The Hundred (and a second string 50 over cup)

 

[jfollows]

I’m sure you’ll love to hear that the next 9 weeks of domestic cricket consist of the T20 Blast and The Hundred (and a second string 50 over cup)

I feared as much!
It’s obviously about money, but I wonder if the bubble will burst.
The Hundred is just plain silly, however I will grant that it’s been good for women’s cricket (which doesn’t interest me one bit either, you won’t be surprised!).

 

[SuspectUsual]

Time to retire T20 cricket, I say. I mean, it's a bit of fun, but it's now incessant, it doesn't seem to stop. I've breathed a sigh of relief that I might be able to watch better cricket now.

Shortest form cricket isn’t going to disappear, let’s be realistic. I’d rather the game’s administrators found a better balance between the three forms of the game.

So:

1 - get rid of the Hundred, and pour the millions that were suddenly found to market it into a relaunched domestic t20 competition

2 - losing the Hundred removes the clash with the 50 over competition, which can then revert to being a full first team competition, and give it a Lord’s final again

3 - remember that the domestic four day competition is the proving ground for future test players and that without it we have nothing

4 - somehow prevent these pop-up t20 tournaments all over the world from leeching the best players. Perhaps central and county contracts could stipulate a maximum number of days players can play in external competitions

 

[scarby]

Shortest form cricket isn’t going to disappear, let’s be realistic. I’d rather the game’s administrators found a better balance between the three forms of the game.

So:

1 - get rid of the Hundred, and pour the millions that were suddenly found to market it into a relaunched domestic t20 competition

2 - losing the Hundred removes the clash with the 50 over competition, which can then revert to being a full first team competition, and give it a Lord’s final again

3 - remember that the domestic four day competition is the proving ground for future test players and that without it we have nothing

4 - somehow prevent these pop-up t20 tournaments all over the world from leeching the best players. Perhaps central and county contracts could stipulate a maximum number of days players can play in external competitions

While in principle I couldn't agree with you more, the problem is that the genie is now well and truly out of the bottle - they are now selling off the Hundred teams with the promise of £5 million for each county and an increase in the annual 'sweetener' from £1.3 million to £2 million.

So much as I would love to see the Blast as the summer's domestic centrepiece, sadly it isn't going to happen. Money talks.

 

[Donny Dave]

1 - get rid of the Hundred, and pour the millions that were suddenly found to market it into a relaunched domestic t20 competition

I agree with putting the money elsewhere within cricket, however, I would keep the Hundred, instead having it as a regional competition leading to national finals.

The idea behind this is to find young, talented players who could progress into the national game, and may find a few future international players.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Jimmy Anderson playing for Lancashire in the time period prior to playing his last Test Match against the West Indies against Nottinghamshire had an excellent bowling return in the Nottinghamshire 1st innings....

16 - 3 - 35 - 7

 

[Busaholic]

Jimmy Anderson playing for Lancashire in the time period prior to playing his last Test Match against the West Indies against Nottinghamshire had an excellent bowling return in the Nottinghamshire 1st innings....

16 - 3 - 35 - 7

Don't forget his iconic 0 not out too!

One of the wickets he took was Dillon Pennington, the new fast bowler in the England set-up.

His performance was in strong contrast to Chris Woakes's at Taunton against Somerset, where he took no wickets. His new ball partner Hannon-Dalby bowled exactly the same number of overs for four wickets. Woakes later ended his day with a batting duck. Jack Leach, preferred to Shoaib Bashir as Somerset's spin bowler, had a decent work-out with three wickets for 90 odd.

 

[Bluejays]

Shortest form cricket isn’t going to disappear, let’s be realistic. I’d rather the game’s administrators found a better balance between the three forms of the game.

So:

1 - get rid of the Hundred, and pour the millions that were suddenly found to market it into a relaunched domestic t20 competition

2 - losing the Hundred removes the clash with the 50 over competition, which can then revert to being a full first team competition, and give it a Lord’s final again

3 - remember that the domestic four day competition is the proving ground for future test players and that without it we have nothing

4 - somehow prevent these pop-up t20 tournaments all over the world from leeching the best players. Perhaps central and county contracts could stipulate a maximum number of days players can play in external competitions

Can see where you're coming from, but a few issues myself.
I echo your desire to see this moronic hundred competition disappear. The 100 ball format is un needed and silly. Although I can understand why the ECB wanted a competition that they retained tight control of. The counties were given a great 'product' to sell in T20 cricket and they completely cocked it up. Would be great to see a proper T20 domestic tournament. I'd love to see a new T20 tournament in the hundred window.

2 and 3. Agree on looking after the 4 day game, although all in all I think a pretty reasonable job is being done on that score. As for 50 over cricket, is it worth going out the way to save? If any format has to be shunted around then I'd prefer it to be the 50 over game. On a purely personal and selfish note I also quite enjoy where it is at the moment as it gives me something to watch live when the hundred is on. (I'm happy to watch the hundred on TV, but certainly won't be giving them any of my hard earned).

4. Got to be honest I don't really see it as that much of a problem. It's a short career so let them fill their boots when they can . Also, I'd say it's predominantly the likes of Lancashire, Yorkshire and Surrey who are weakened by these absences, which is all good with me. They go out of their way to hoard all the talent, so it's only far if it bites them back

 

[SuspectUsual]

If any format has to be shunted around then I'd prefer it to be the 50 over game

If there's a World Cup in it, surely it's worth having a domestic competition that England team can play in to hone their skills? (I'm not aware of any other opportunities - I don't think there aren't franchise 50 over tournaments)

Also, I'd say it's predominantly the likes of Lancashire, Yorkshire and Surrey who are weakened by these absences, which is all good with me

Well yes, a silver lining. And as a Leicestershire fan I do recognise us wining it last summer was in part because we lost fewer players than most counties (Ackermann and Callum Parkinson only from memory) to the crisps contest

 

[HST43257]

In my opinion the core issue is that County Cricket isn’t high enough quality. It’s good, but not good enough to be reliably picking players for England from. Why? Because the schedule is too tight so the players can’t play at 100%, and because there are 18 counties. 18 counties with 2 overseas means 162 English players playing country cricket each week/round. How about, for half the season, cut that down to 8 teams with no overseas and it’s 88 proper quality players playing proper quality cricket and there’s England selection properly up for grabs

 

[scarby]

In my opinion the core issue is that County Cricket isn’t high enough quality. It’s good, but not good enough to be reliably picking players for England from. Why? Because the schedule is too tight so the players can’t play at 100%, and because there are 18 counties. 18 counties with 2 overseas means 162 English players playing country cricket each week/round. How about, for half the season, cut that down to 8 teams with no overseas and it’s 88 proper quality players playing proper quality cricket and there’s England selection properly up for grabs

That's essentially why the County Championship was split into two divisions.

So that system is actually already in place.

 

[Howardh]

That's essentially why the County Championship was split into two divisions.

And given four days instead of three.

Think the biggest problem with the county game is how fragmented it is, four day games then 20/20 then back to four then 20/20 again then...nothing until September!!

To me would make more sense to have the Championship in April/May/June alone so 10-12 or so games/county could be played, then 20/20 in July, August the one-day cup alongside some franchise tournament or other, and finish the CC in September with another four games.

Although there could be the possibility of having a 10-day 20/20 festival week at May whit week, and put the two "lost" CC games at the end of July. But that "fragments" the season of course - my former point! But it seems sensible to me to make use of school holidays.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

And given four days instead of three.

Think the biggest problem with the county game is how fragmented it is, four day games then 20/20 then back to four then 20/20 again then...nothing until September!!

Since Test Match cricket is a 5-day entity, having the County Championship as four rather than three day matches, that gives the players more idea what to expect in the longer-time matches.

 

[Bluejays]

If there's a World Cup in it, surely it's worth having a domestic competition that England team can play in to hone their skills? (I'm not aware of any other opportunities - I don't think there aren't franchise 50 over tournaments)




Well yes, a silver lining. And as a Leicestershire fan I do recognise us wining it last summer was in part because we lost fewer players than most counties (Ackermann and Callum Parkinson only from memory) to the crisps contest

Similar position for me as a Glamorgan fan. Nice to look at a competition with optimism for a change !

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In my opinion the core issue is that County Cricket isn’t high enough quality. It’s good, but not good enough to be reliably picking players for England from. Why? Because the schedule is too tight so the players can’t play at 100%, and because there are 18 counties. 18 counties with 2 overseas means 162 English players playing country cricket each week/round. How about, for half the season, cut that down to 8 teams with no overseas and it’s 88 proper quality players playing proper quality cricket and there’s England selection properly up for grabs

I've always wondered if it would be worth having say 2 north v south (or east v west) games a year, or could even have a division 1 v division 2 gane i suppose. With a combination of the England selectors and representatives from the counties picking the sides. Force the England selectors to hear about and watch the best players that may not be in their minds.

Then again, fitting an extra 2 games into an already tight schedule may not be easy.

 

[SuspectUsual]

How about, for half the season, cut that down to 8 teams with no overseas and it’s 88 proper quality players playing proper quality cricket and there’s England selection properly up for grabs

Which ten counties are you planning to financially cripple?

(Although if the ECB did do this, it'd be obvious; they'd keep Yorkshire, Lancashire, Surrey, Middlesex, Nottinghamshire, Warwickshire, Hampshire and Glamorgan. Got to keep funnelling money to the test ground counties)

 

[Bluejays]

Quite remarkable game taking place at Cheltenham. When I looked at lunch on day 1 Glamorgan had Gloucester 88/8, that eventually became 179 all out, followed by 197 from glamorgans first innings.


Low scoring game on the horizon. Well.... fast forward to now, Glamorgan are 423/5 in their 2nd innings, chasing a world record 593 to win. It's a strange old game

 

[Busaholic]

That's essentially why the County Championship was split into two divisions.

So that system is actually already in place.

Yet some of the recent selections for seam bowlers (Robinson, Potts and Tongue for instance) came from counties in the Second Division, and the most recent example Pennington was playing for such a side untin this season, Let's not forget Rehan Ahmed, either. I'd say at present the two sides with least talent to be shown are Derbyshire and (much as it pains me to write this) Kent, one bottom of the 2nd Division and the other, deservedly. bottom of the 1st.

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Quite remarkable game taking place at Cheltenham. When I looked at lunch on day 1 Glamorgan had Gloucester 88/8, that eventually became 179 all out, followed by 197 from glamorgans first innings.


Low scoring game on the horizon. Well.... fast forward to now, Glamorgan are 423/5 in their 2nd innings, chasing a world record 593 to win. It's a strange old game

Now 548-8, Northeast out for 187. 45 runs to go!

 

[Bluejays]

Now 548-8, Northeast out for 187. 45 runs to go!

Great game, ends in a tie with a wicket off the last ball. Quite ridiculous really !