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The Telegraph’s headline today, I can’t remember what it was, seemed to be trying to make their readers think that Muslim groups were equally active in the rioting. Saturday’s Mail seemed to have a front page diatribe by Saran Vine blaming Starmer for…well somehow being at fault; one day last week it led on the fact that the killer in Southport once appeared on Children in Need, with the letters BBC being prominent.
 
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I don't doubt for one second that if the Muslims that organised to come out and protect their communities were attacked, they'd retaliate and a mass riot would occur. But so far this hasn't happened and they appear to have resisted the urge to play right into the hands of the right.

If they start setting fires and looting then they should absolutely be called out and there's zero doubt they will. They are already being blamed by Elon Musk, Libs of TikTok and countless others.
 

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The Telegraph’s headline today, I can’t remember what it was, seemed to be trying to make their readers think that Muslim groups were equally active in the rioting. Saturday’s Mail seemed to have a front page diatribe by Saran Vine blaming Starmer for…well somehow being at fault; one day last week it led on the fact that the killer in Southport once appeared on Children in Need, with the letters BBC being prominent.
There's the mail we all know :lol: . A quick look today was the first time I've looked at there website in a while. It seemed remarkably balanced(in terms of headlines anyway). But true to form, I see they have managed to disgrace themselves recently .
 

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Probably because they are too thick to understand that it’s nothing to do with the EU.
Apart from EU members are required to be signatories to the ECHR, so if you want out of the latter then you have to leave the former first.
 

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I don't doubt for one second that if the Muslims that organised to come out and protect their communities were attacked, they'd retaliate and a mass riot would occur. But so far this hasn't happened and they appear to have resisted the urge to play right into the hands of the right.

If they start setting fires and looting then they should absolutely be called out and there's zero doubt they will. They are already being blamed by Elon Musk, Libs of TikTok and countless others.

I'm sure they are out protecting in many locations, I see nothing wrong whatsoever with that and wish them all the very best in keeping the fascists away! If their places of worship are being threatened then they have every right to be outside defending them.

The roaming tooled up gangs and threats to journalists though is not ok. That's just thuggish and needs to be treated as such!
 

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I'm sure they are out protecting in many locations, I see nothing wrong whatsoever with that and wish them all the very best in keeping the fascists away! If their places of worship are being threatened then they have every right to be outside defending them.

The roaming tooled up gangs and threats to journalists though is not ok. That's just thuggish and needs to be treated as such!
Luckily Sky has footage and combined with CCTV means they'll easily be caught and charged.
 
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Luckily Sky has footage especially and combined with CCTV means they'll easily be caught and charged.
Good news indeed! That's what struck me about the riot outside the hotel yesterday aswell, quite how confident a lot of these thugs seem in having their faces on TV.
 

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Good news indeed! That's what struck me about the riot outside the hotel yesterday aswell, quite how confident a lot of these thugs seem in having their faces on TV.
Even the masked ones will be caught, the masked guy on the electric bike in Birmingham with ANPR This is going to find out the hard way that was a very stupid idea!
 

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It seems to be happening in Plymouth tonight.

Two groups gathered earlier on either side of Royal Parade, chanting slogans at each other, followed by skirmishes between protesters and officers.

Several officers received minor injuries and seven people were arrested for criminal criminal offences and public order offences, Devon and Cornwall Police said.

Plymouth City Council had advised residents to avoid the city centre due to the demonstrations, which follow similar ones elsewhere in England this week.

This is all starting to have the feel of a poor quality modern day attempt at Kristallnacht to me.

Staying quiet on this stuff and looking the other way is not an option if you have any kind of grasp on history.
 

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Apart from EU members are required to be signatories to the ECHR, so if you want out of the latter then you have to leave the former first.
Point being that the EU doesn't run the ECHR.
 

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Good news indeed! That's what struck me about the riot outside the hotel yesterday aswell, quite how confident a lot of these thugs seem in having their faces on TV.

They were the same on January 6th at the Capitol building..
 

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It seems to be happening in Plymouth tonight.



This is all starting to have the feel of a poor quality modern day attempt at Kristallnacht to me.

Staying quiet on this stuff and looking the other way is not an option if you have any kind of grasp on history.
I worry about next weekend if it keeps going through the week. I did think it had started fizzling out when the daytime seemed quiet today. But not a good sign to see it spreading! Hopefully a few tidy sentences will knock the 'excitement element' and make a few think twice about going out to join in
 

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It seems to be happening in Plymouth tonight.



This is all starting to have the feel of a poor quality modern day attempt at Kristallnacht to me.

Staying quiet on this stuff and looking the other way is not an option if you have any kind of grasp on history.
This is what concerns me. We must be so mindful of what has happened in the past. History shows that events tend to get gradually worse, they don’t just suddenly happen. Attacking police and looting shops is one thing, but targeting particular hotels, blocking the doors and setting them on fire is deeply disturbing (attacking police is also disturbing of course, but it’s not unusual in our history of football hooliganism).
Thankfully it appears the vast majority of people involved in this arn’t particularly well organised and rather thick. Events like Kristallnacht were orchestrated by government organisations, whereas these current riots will (probably) be cracked down upon eventually.

No doubt my unpolitical family would roll their eyes at me if I mentioned the above, thinking I’m being overdramatic. I doubt it would get as bad as Kristallnacht but it’s something we really need to be aware of.
 

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I worry about next weekend if it keeps going through the week. I did think it had started fizzling out when the daytime seemed quiet today. But not a good sign to see it spreading! Hopefully a few tidy sentences will knock the 'excitement element' and make a few think twice about going out to join in
Not the #1 priority of course but there's a substantial price we are all going to have to pay in consequence:
- costs of repair
- increased price, and unavailability of insurance cover
- shops closing
- shopworkers, entertainment industry, pubs, clubs losing income
- folk not going out, so reducing spending now and longer-term
- not holidaying in violent disorder unsafe Britain
- further closing off of 'opportunity' for people living in already deprived areas
- government, both central and local, needing to revisit and cancel projects and programmes in order to divert already short money into other priorities like safety/security, barriers, CCTV
- less for NHS and 'desirable' expenditures
- maybe even increased taxation to pay in consequence
I for one am staying in, and I imagine many are doing the same, some in real fear for their lives- and that's another cost.
 

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I do think people are being a tad hyperbolic, the cost of riots isn't so much that it'll bankrupt the country and things will calm down.

People aren't going to stop visiting the UK, they didn't stop visiting Dublin or Paris when there were riots there.
 

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I do think people are being a tad hyperbolic, the cost of riots isn't so much that it'll bankrupt the country and things will calm down.

People aren't going to stop visiting the UK, they didn't stop visiting Dublin or Paris when there were riots there.
Im sure we will recover from it, but it is going to have an unwanted impact on cities that are already struggling, many of which are not exactly tourist hotspots. People will still go out, but I’m sure quite a few will be put off going shopping or going on a night out for the next few days/weeks, meaning shops, pubs, restaurants and clubs will lose out, and they’ve got enough worries at the moment as it is.
 

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People aren't going to stop visiting the UK, they didn't stop visiting Dublin or Paris when there were riots there.
One major difference: those were riots limited to a single city. This is being reported abroad as riots affecting all of England/the UK.
 

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What do people make of the statement by Prime Minister Farage (oh, sorry, he is just cosplaying as one with his desk and union flags while addressing the Nation) that seems to condemn the violence but then goes on to rant about BLM and policing methods.

Sounds like he wants to signal to his followers to keep fighting, while distancing himself as much as he can.

Meanwhile Stateside they right is only showing footage of the Muslims that came out to protect their communities and imply they are behind the troubles. I'm sure Trump will talk about this in an upcoming rally and Elon has already communicated lies to 150m people who are forced to see his posts even if they don't follow him on X.

The narrative will be that this is what happens when you bring in a socialist Government.
Generally speaking I try to ignore what that prat comes out with. However one small thing he did say is a least partially true:

In the short term, we will quell the riots, but deeper long-term problems remain.

Ever since the soft policing of the Black Lives Matter protests, the impression of two-tier policing has become widespread.
Now I don't think the policing was "soft" as he describes it, but it did seed the impression to many that different demographic groups get policed differently. And the seemingly slow response in Harehills recently just adds to the sense for some that this is the case. Whether it actually is or not is another matter, but that isn't the point for them. As with many things involving the recent violent outbreaks, it's the perception of being treated differently that is helping fan the flames. And just to be clear I know some people will say "but I don't perceive any difference", but there are a substantial number of people who do believe it.
 

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There are people who will believe anything these right-wing motormouths will say, my wife has had some of her relatives (overseas) contact her to check she is safe because they heard there is civil war here now. :rolleyes:
 

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I don't doubt for one second that if the Muslims that organised to come out and protect their communities were attacked, they'd retaliate and a mass riot would occur. But so far this hasn't happened and they appear to have resisted the urge to play right into the hands of the right.

If they start setting fires and looting then they should absolutely be called out and there's zero doubt they will. They are already being blamed by Elon Musk, Libs of TikTok and countless others.
What is this guy's problem?

He's the richest person in the world, he's setup for life, why doesn't he just focus on business and shut the hell up? Why does he have to promote this sort of rubbish?
Seems to suggest that he's got severe psychological problems. Just like his friend Donald.
 

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What is this guy's problem?

He's the richest person in the world, he's setup for life, why doesn't he just focus on business and shut the hell up? Why does he have to promote this sort of rubbish?
Seems to suggest that he's got severe psychological problems. Just like his friend Donald.

I think because he’s found a section of society that listen to him and love him and just like Trump that’s an addiction for a complete narcissist.
 

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What is this guy's problem?

He's the richest person in the world, he's setup for life, why doesn't he disappear off to some mansion in Florida and just shut the hell up? Why does he have to promote this sort of rubbish?
Seems to suggest that he's got severe psychological problems. Just like his friend Donald.
I think you could get a PsyD out of analysing that geek.
 

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I think you could get a PsyD out of analysing that geek.

Point of order: "geek" is generally not an insult in the computing world: it generally means someone who is very into, and very competent at, programming and other technical computing skills.

Calling Musk a geek is an insult to respected geeks!

But apart from that, good point! :)
 

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Point of order: "geek" is generally not an insult in the computing world: it generally means someone who is very into, and very competent at, programming and other technical computing skills.

Calling Musk a geek is an insult to respected geeks!

But apart from that, good point! :)
I didn't use it as an insult, more a descriptive as i am a geek myself. :lol:
 

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There are people who will believe anything these right-wing motormouths will say, my wife has had some of her relatives (overseas) contact her to check she is safe because they heard there is civil war here now. :rolleyes:
I'm afraid misinformation is now out of control, especially on the boy wonder Musk's platform. Yesterday businesses in Bradford & Huddersfield closed because social media claimed that far right activists were descending on both places. In one case someone on X actually claimed rioting was already happening in Bradford.

Nothing happened in either place. We are now entering an era when a handful of fake posts can cause panic.
 

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Looks like a far-right Telgram group with >10000 members is sharing a list of immigration-related charities, advice centres and solicitors as targets for arson attacks on Wednesday night. The group also includes calls to murder ethnic minorities, anti-fascists and government ministers.

Just wait until they find out, that Telegram channels aren't end-to-end encrypted messengers...
 

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What do people make of the statement by Prime Minister Farage (oh, sorry, he is just cosplaying as one with his desk and union flags while addressing the Nation) that seems to condemn the violence but then goes on to rant about BLM and policing methods.

Farage:
I have been totally appalled by the levels of violence seen in the last couple of days. The levels of intimidation and threat to life have no place in a functioning democracy. That so many police officers have been injured trying to keep the peace is shocking, and we should not discount the use of the army if the situation were to deteriorate further.

In the short term, we will quell the riots, but deeper long-term problems remain.

Ever since the soft policing of the Black Lives Matter protests, the impression of two-tier policing has become widespread. The Prime Minister's faltering attempts to address the current crisis have only added to that sense of injustice.

The majority of our population can see the fracturing of our communities as a result of mass, uncontrolled immigration, whether legal or illegal. Yet to attempt to debate this in the public arena leads to immediate howls of condemnation. A population explosion without integration was always going to end badly. I have said this for many years.

We must have a more honest debate about these vital issues and give people the confidence that there are political solutions that are relevant to them. A recall of Parliament would be an appropriate start to this.
He's blaming others. It's all the fault of the "soft policing" of the BLM protests (which were, erm, mostly protests against racism. OK, let's just let racism continue then).

He's blaming immigration. Yawn. Of course we know that he has in the relatively recent past harboured blatantly xenophobic attitudes towards Romanians, at the very least, so is not exactly someone likely to have a mainstream view on the matter.

He's blaming anyone but the rioters themselves and the social-media fanatics who encouraged the riots.

I suspect if people like him and others hadn't been sounding off about immigration for the past ten years, these riots would not have happened. Led on by social-media figures but also by right-wing loudmouth politicians such as Farage, Le Pen and Trump, fanatical anti-immigrationism has been allowed to build up in the UK, and the West in general, and has become normalised amongst significant sections of the population, and now we're paying the price.

We narrowly averted electoral disaster in France and we're seeing these riots in the UK at least partly because some people have become utterly obsessed with immigration - almost like a cult. Of course, only a minority of such people would riot, but fanatical anti-immigrationism combined with an inherent thuggish personality and a willingness to believe any old rubbish on social media is a recipe for disaster.

Farage, and Reform UK, will come out very badly from this, I suspect. The overall impression from the above seems to "condemnation of the violence, but not so much of the people, with a generous helping of half-baked caveats", a sharp contrast to the position of Labour and indeed the Tories.
 
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We narrowly averted electoral disaster in France
I am not usually that sinister, but it is just delaying the inevitable sadly, the RN has been trying to get to power for nearly 50 years now and there is nothing that would tell us that will not happen in '27. Their lies are vile, they claim to be on the people's side but were the only silent party after the pension reforms were passed.
The pure incapability of the Left to do **** without imploding at every election cycle is appaling too.

As seen by the narrow win, tactial voting will stop working in no times here, we are far from the 82% of Chirac in 02.

We already start to see the effects of the far-right in Italy and all the feuds between them and the rest of Europe, it's bad, but nobody wants to care.
 
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