Locos that never hauled a passenger train

[The exile]

As the title says, really. Are there any BR era diesel locos that have never been known to haul a service passenger train? Following criteria to limit it a bit:
1) Loco must have survived long enough to carry TOPS number - though use while still carrying the old number still counts. (yes, I know that’s a bit unfair on the Hymeks)
2) No railtours
3) Only counts if it hauled the train
between two publicly advertised stops.
4) No shunters

 

[SeanG]

I would imagine a fair few 56s, 58s, 59s and 60s count here

 

[The exile]

I would imagine a fair few 56s, 58s, 59s and 60s count here

59s and 60s, yes. Let’s leave them and the 66s out, unless any one can prove that there’s only one or two in a class that haven’t worked. 56s and 58s I’m less sure - unless Nuneaton wasn’t an advertised stop on the drags!
My train of thought started with classes that had booked passenger work but got diverted for some reason…

 

[Mag_seven]

90050?

There must be a few class 92s that were earmarked for European Sleeper Services that never did.

 

[Falcon1200]

Probably not what the OP intended, but I doubt Classes 01, 02 and 06 ever met the criteria, nor did most of Classes 03, 08, and 09! Not sure about Class 05 or 07 however.

 

[The exile]

Probably not what the OP intended, but I doubt Classes 01, 02 and 06 ever met the criteria, nor did most of Classes 03, 08, and 09! Not sure about Class 05 or 07 however.

Forgot the “no shunters” criterion!

 

[Falcon1200]

Forgot the “no shunters” criterion!

I did think that's what you meant, but posted anyway

 

[Gloster]

I should think that most of the 14, 15, 16 and many 17, together with some 20 probably never hauled a passenger train

 

[Western Sunset]

I imagine that all the 20s hauled a passenger train at some point in their careers, either in Scotland, out of Euston in their early days (possibly Broad Street too), and, of course, to Skeggy.

 

[Magdalia]

56s and 58s I’m less sure - unless Nuneaton wasn’t an advertised stop on the drags!

The Nuneaton calls were advertised and used by passengers going to/from Coventry, with a DMU shuttle via Bedworth.

I should think that most of the 14, 15, 16 and many 17, together with some 20 probably never hauled a passenger train

Class 15 and class 16 hauled passenger trains.

When new class 15s were based at Norwich and Kings Lynn (outstationed from March), and worked Norwich-Yarmouth and Kings Lynn-Hunstanton.

In summer 1965 1500 Colchester-Cambridge and 1726 back were booked a class 15.

Class 16s worked excursion traffic including a few to the Sussex coast.

There are various other trains where research is ongoing.

An interesting curiosity is the class 44s, which worked passenger trains briefly when new, but otherwise not very much. I did manage to get this result on RailGenArchive:

We have currently have no records for 44003 at present

Renumbering is an interesting watershed. For example there are no known passenger workings for 31011 after it was renumbered, its last known passenger working is as 5511.

 

[43096]

90050?

The freight 90s appeared on passenger work quite a lot before full sector dedication came in. There was also a Freightliner hire in Anglia to support the 86 fleet which 90050 worked on.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Might be worth pointing out that, with Sectorisation, RfD locos were modified to make them unsuitable for use on passenger trains - Class 90/1; ETH jumpers and buckeye removed, restricted to 75 mph, Class 47 restricted to 75 mph because of composition brake blocks and of course no ETH. There was a good reason for this change.

 

[Western Sunset]

An interesting curiosity is the class 44s, which worked passenger trains briefly when new, but otherwise not very much.

All the original "Peaks" (class 44s) did work passenger turns on both the WCML and MML, though in their pre-TOPS numbering.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

90050?

There must be a few class 92s that were earmarked for European Sleeper Services that never did.

I had 90 050 for haulage on the WCML when it was fairly new.

 

[signed]

Not BR era, but I don't think Class 70 ever did anything else than freight

 

[The exile]

Renumbering is an interesting watershed. For example there are no known passenger workings for 31011 after it was renumbered, its last known passenger working is as 5511.

The TOPS numbering element was to rule out “short lives”. 31011 would count as having hauled a passenger service. It lived long enough to acquire a TOPS number, so when it hauled a passenger is irrelevant. It is also a nod to the fact that the transition to TOPS numbers is about as far back as I have any railway memories!
I’m guessing that the most likely candidates are from classes 20, 24 and 25 - especially as records from the early days are likely to be patchier.

 

[Snow1964]

I think lots of the later 37s might never have operated passenger trains, those used on the steel workings in Wales etc.

In their earlier years Hymeks would have been on passenger services, and in later years 31s and 33s operated some type3 services from Cardiff

 

[Western Sunset]

Can't see how all the Hymeks wouldn't have been on passenger turns.

 

[The exile]

I think lots of the later 37s might never have operated passenger trains, those used on the steel workings in Wales etc.

… some of which ended up as 37/4s. I agree, though, 37s were almost where my train of thought started (took till 1983 and a “rescue” for me to bag my first one). Reckon that most will have been grabbed for a “chuck out” diagram or a Saturday trip to the seaside at some point though.

 

[ac6000cw]

What about the majority of class 76 (EM1) electric locos that were not fitted with steam heat boilers?

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Presumably the various individual class orientated enthusiast groups have this information readily to hand, just needs someone to ask the question in the appropriate place. In the meantime I would suggest that while just about all BR era Type 5s worked a railtour at some point there could well be plenty that never worked a scheduled service train.

As for early Type 2s mentioned upthread I'd be surprised if any failed to work a passenger service but given the almost complete lack of interest in them by contemporary enthusiasts such workings could easily have been overlooked.

 

[The exile]

What about the majority of class 76 (EM1) electric locos that were not fitted with steam heat boilers?

I did in fact originally ask about diesels - though basically because I’d forgotten the 76s.

 

[Magdalia]

I’m guessing that the most likely candidates are from classes 20, 24 and 25 - especially as records from the early days are likely to be patchier.

According to the class 25 website, every loco has at least one recorded passenger working:

https://www.class25.info/Loco_Working_Web_Pages/Loco_Mileages.htm

Individual Loco Mileage and Journey Totals

I would expect all class 24s to have worked passenger trains too. Most if not all started at depots where they would have been used in passenger service.

I think lots of the later 37s might never have operated passenger trains, those used on the steel workings in Wales etc.

I'd be very surprised if there were any class 37s that never worked a passenger train, except possibly D6983. The loco histories are here:

Class37.co.uk

The Fleet History is a database recording the history of each class 37 locomotive. It records depot and sector allocations, passenger workings, sightings, freight workings and other events in the history of each locomotive.

Unfortunately there is no summary table like for the class 25s.

 

[ac6000cw]

I did in fact originally ask about diesels - though basically because I’d forgotten the 76s.

Sorry - I didn't notice the 'diesel' word in the first post (and it's not mentioned in the thread title), plus other electrics have been mentioned upthread.

It would be interesting to know (but unlikely I suspect) if any of the non-boiler-fitted 47's never hauled a service passenger train, as they used to turn up sometimes on summer Saturday extras.

 

[eastwestdivide]

I’m guessing that the most likely candidates are from classes 20, 24 and 25

Pretty sure all of the 24s were steam heat boiler fitted from new, suggesting they probably all did haul passenger trains

 

[Trackman]

59s and 60s, yes. Let’s leave them and the 66s out, unless any one can prove that there’s only one or two in a class that haven’t worked. 56s and 58s I’m less sure - unless Nuneaton wasn’t an advertised stop on the drags!
My train of thought started with classes that had booked passenger work but got diverted for some reason…

A class 58 hauled a failed HST once.

 

[Cowley]

It would be interesting to know (but unlikely I suspect) if any of the non-boiler-fitted 47's never hauled a service passenger train, as they used to turn up sometimes on summer Saturday extras.

Yes every single TOPS numbered 47 will have worked passenger trains at some point. Even the non boilered 47/3s were used on summer Saturday services. I had at least four or five of them on scheduled services just in 1988.

 

[43096]

I think lots of the later 37s might never have operated passenger trains, those used on the steel workings in Wales etc.

… some of which ended up as 37/4s.

The selection of Welsh freight 37s for ETH conversion was not coincidental, there were some cranks involved with picking locos for conversion and they selected the rare (on passenger working) ones for shopping as 37/4s when possible.

 

[6Gman]

According to the class 25 website, every loco has at least one recorded passenger working:

https://www.class25.info/Loco_Working_Web_Pages/Loco_Mileages.htm

I would expect all class 24s to have worked passenger trains too. Most if not all started at depots where they would have been used in passenger service.

What about the Gateshead examples which - IIRC - were used on Consett ore trains initially?

 

[Magdalia]

What about the Gateshead examples which - IIRC - were used on Consett ore trains initially?

The Consett iron ore trains were steam hauled with 9Fs until 1965. The class 24s were already more than 4 years old when they took over.