End in sight for the ASLEF dispute: Offer now made

[Tezza1978]

Looks a good and fair deal all round - for drivers, the government and for the travelling public.

Amazing what can happen when some adults are in charge of the country- rather than a set of incredibly right wing circus clowns.

 

[ainsworth74]

Never sure why the overwhelming opinions seem to be that Railway Workers should come down to everyone else's conditions and pay, rather than everyone else try making theirs better too. Oh well.

How is it overwhelming opinon? There's hardly anyone who appears to be unhappy on this thread?

 

[GardenRail]

How is it overwhelming opinon? There's hardly anyone who appears to be unhappy on this thread?

On this thread, no. But we have seen a lot of hatred towards striking staff etc, usually aimed at pay, in other conversations on this very forum, and the wider media. Obviously from people who have no career on the railway. I don't believe I specifically quoted peoples opinions on this thread.

 

[PLY2AYS]

How is it overwhelming opinon? There's hardly anyone who appears to be unhappy on this thread?

I think Garden Rail is referring to a ‘race to the bottom’ mentality that a lot of other people working in other industries/sectors feel… “I’m not getting a pay rise, so why should you?” All too common place in, stereotypically, tabloid readers…

 

[GardenRail]

I think Garden Rail is referring to a ‘race to the bottom’ mentality that a lot of other people working in other industries/sectors feel… “I’m not getting a pay rise, so why should you?” All too common place in, stereotypically, tabloid readers…

Yes, this.

 

[ainsworth74]

On this thread, no. But we have seen a lot of hatred towards striking staff etc, usually aimed at pay, in other conversations on this very forum. Obviously from people who have no career on the railway.

I can certainly agree you get that attitude from some people on the Forum, I'm less convinced it's "overwhelming" I have to say!

 

[scouseyb123]

Its a YES from me

 

[winks]

What has happened to the £2bn black hole in railway operating budgets ?

 

[GardenRail]

Anyway, it seems very good news indeed. Though we are not quite over the final hurdle yet. Its Network Rails turn next! Though maybe that's for another conversation.

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What has happened to the £2bn black hole in railway operating budgets ?

It got filled by stealing pensioners pocket money.....

 

[800001]

What has happened to the £2bn black hole in railway operating budgets ?

They’ll find it again by being able to run, a full, normal, reliable timetable without cancellations caused by drivers not wanting to work overtime because of the dispute?

 

[Coalpits]

Better result than I expected but let's see the details, possibly tomorrow.

 

[CL395]

I think Garden Rail is referring to a ‘race to the bottom’ mentality that a lot of other people working in other industries/sectors feel… “I’m not getting a pay rise, so why should you?” All too common place in, stereotypically, tabloid readers…

Genuine question, have drivers received pay rises in line with inflation, has their pay remained static since 2021 or has it been raised but not in line with inflation?

If they have not received pay rises in line with inflation then I fully support the pay offer. If however this is a pay rise for carrying out the same duties as previously I believe this is a bad deal for the tax payer.

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Anyway, it seems very good news indeed. Though we are not quite over the final hurdle yet. Its Network Rails turn next! Though maybe that's for another conversation.

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It got filled by stealing pensioners pocket money.....

Surely you can see the irony of your latter comment and your earlier complaints about people being against pay rises. I’m sure a pensioner would be just as annoyed at that statement as you would be over people disagreeing with a pay rise. Regardless of wether it is right or wrong to have a pay rise or for pensioners to have their “pocket money”. By calling it pocket money you’re certainly saying it is not essential and they don’t actually need it.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Genuine question, have drivers received pay rises in line with inflation, has their pay remained static since 2021 or has it been raised but not in line with inflation?

If they have not received pay rises in line with inflation then I fully support the pay offer. If however this is a pay rise for carrying out the same duties as previously I believe this is a bad deal for the tax payer.

It's been 4 or 5 years since the last pay rise for many TOCs, so same money as pre-covid.

 

[jfollows]

CPI inflation is something like 10% over the past 2 years, 20% over the past 3 years, cumulative figures to date in both cases.

 

[dk1]

FULLY pensionable. FULLY backdated. NO strings attached.

Seriously, what’s not to like my wonderful colleagues?

 

[John R]

CPI inflation over the three years to April 24 was 21%, so in that sense the increases have not kept up with inflation by around 5%.

 

[PLY2AYS]

Genuine question, have drivers received pay rises in line with inflation, has their pay remained static since 2021 or has it been raised but not in line with inflation?

If they have not received pay rises in line with inflation then I fully support the pay offer. If however this is a pay rise for carrying out the same duties as previously I believe this is a bad deal for the tax payer.

Most TOCs haven’t changed drivers salaries since 2019. So over 5 years.

I’m curious as to how you feel this is a ‘bad deal for the taxpayer’ if we’re doing the same duties?

Every worker in the UK has a right to afford the same things today as they did when they initially took their job; irrespective of how long ago it was.

The reason this dispute went on for so long, was because we hadn’t been afforded a pay review due to reasons relating to Covid, and then when talks were carried out; the government insisted on mediation, and as such, a below inflation offer was made as well as changes to our hard fought terms and conditions (put in place over decades of fatal incidents) which would have left the entire industry less safe for everyone, and the workers unable to have a say in any work reforms in the future, as well as giving up our weekends.

Not to mention, we aren’t paid by the taxpayer.

 

[Starmill]

CPI inflation over the three years to April 24 was 21%, so in that sense the increases have not kept up with inflation by around 5%.

Presumably the implication is those who had no 2019/2020/2021 deal (delete as appropriate) are having those settled at 0%? I guess that's why it's so far below CPI(H).

 

[Cheshire Scot]

And with the backpay for 3 years as well. I am happy with this deal.

That will be quite a chunk of back pay!

So is the tax man well done, excellent deal

 

[trainophile]

On behalf of all us "mere passengers" on this forum, may I say thank you for getting this finally resolved, so we can go back to being able to plan things in advance.

You'll have made a lot of rail users extremely happy. Thank you.

 

[800001]

On behalf of all us "mere passengers" on this forum, may I say thank you for getting this finally resolved, so we can go back to being able to plan things in advance.

You'll have made a lot of rail users extremely happy. Thank you.

There are still other active disputes with some TOCs, so, even if this deal is accepted, means that’s drivers at some TOCs are working to rule, no OT etc, so disruption would still be expected at those.

 

[irish_rail]

On behalf of all us "mere passengers" on this forum, may I say thank you for getting this finally resolved, so we can go back to being able to plan things in advance.

You'll have made a lot of rail users extremely happy. Thank you.

And this is why the offer pays for itself. People will be confident to book train journeys now, in a way they haven't been the past 3 years. Overcrowding will be the next big problem (not to say it isn't already!). TOCS like XC are desperately going to need to increase capacity and fast.

 

[dk1]

There are still other active disputes with some TOCs, so, even if this deal is accepted, means that’s drivers at some TOCs are working to rule, no OT etc, so disruption would still be expected at those.

The back is broken of the main dispute so hopefully these will all get sorted very shortly. I’m hearing XC drivers are getting the Avanti £600 RDW offer.

 

[800001]

The back is broken of the main dispute so hopefully these will all get sorted very shortly. I’m hearing XC drivers are getting the Avanti £600 RDW offer.

Yeah I agree, I’ve heard LNER have a separate dispute regards DTMs driving.

 

[1867Blue]

Now for an acceptable productivity agreement please

 

[dk1]

Yeah I agree, I’ve heard LNER have a separate dispute regards DTMs driving.

Let’s hope the company sees sense now.

 

[800001]

Let’s hope the company sees sense now.

ELENOUR will sort them out

 

[driver9000]

Genuine question, have drivers received pay rises in line with inflation, has their pay remained static since 2021 or has it been raised but not in line with inflation?

If they have not received pay rises in line with inflation then I fully support the pay offer. If however this is a pay rise for carrying out the same duties as previously I believe this is a bad deal for the tax payer.

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There have been no pay increases at the DfT controlled operators hence the offer going back to 2022 to cover the disputed years. The Tories admitted they spent more money dragging it out than it would have cost to settle 2 years ago. My last wage increase was 2019 and that came with a raft of changes to my T&C's.

This is offer is a decent offer in my opinion and ASLEF are recommending the membership accept it.

 

[nuneatonmark]

This isn't the end, it's just the start of Aslef holding the country to ransom, again. Give it 2 years, max, and they'll be back on strike. It wouldn't be too bad if it resulted in some modernisation of working practices. I don't begrudge backdated pay rises, but it's a big increase for the well paid.

 

[DarloRich]

A good sensible offer. Take the deal.

Look what happens when you get adults on the job!