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The 2024 US presidential election.

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Cloud Strife

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I absolutely think if you compare Trump from even four or five years ago to now, he's clearly suffering some sort mental decline. And yes, he's never been the brightest spark, but seriously go and look up footage of him talking to the media or even speaking at one of his rallies with the same thing now and he is a very different character.

I do wonder if this wasn't part of Trump's gameplan, to take advantage of Biden's frailness by simply not doing very much and limiting his public appearances to the minimum needed. It worked in the debate, but now that Harris is going all out, he simply doesn't have anything in the tank.
 
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My best friend is a PsyD (dr of psychology), he says many of his colleagues believe Trump is suffering from narcissist collapse.

An interesting concept:


Key points​

  • Narcissists can experience a narcissistic collapse when faced with a situation resulting in public humiliation and failure.
  • During a narcissistic collapse, the narcissistic defenses that keep them confident are no longer working.
  • In a narcissistic collapse, they feel extremely anxious, depressed, ashamed, and may be unable to keep functioning.
 

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One person saw two words by accident and had to spend several months in hospital as a result! :)
 

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Just boarded a train at a bay with the Evening Standard left on the table with this cover:

(Image of Evening Standard front page saying "Trump and Musk love-in is...Sealed with an X)
 

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Elon is claiming a reach of over 1 BILLION people for the interview last night. He is saying this is the end of all mainstream media. The bots and simps all agree!

Meanwhile, all the fact checkers are probably exhausted picking apart everything Trump said.
 

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Elon is claiming a reach of over 1 BILLION people for the interview last night. He is saying this is the end of all mainstream media. The bots and simps all agree!

Meanwhile, all the fact checkers are probably exhausted picking apart everything Trump said.
As understand it Musk has had the X algorithms tweaked to make him an ultra-user, so that anything he posts reaches x1000 more people than the standard punter. So a billion might be possible! Hopefully 99.9% of them have deleted it without listening to two hours of cr*p.
 

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As understand it Musk has had the X algorithms tweaked to make him an ultra-user, so that anything he posts reaches x1000 more people than the standard punter.
I noticed that after he purchased it his posts started appearing in the slots of ads (fortunately muting him still works).
 

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My manager has just returned from a month off. While he was off, the following news events around the world happened:

- The Trump assassination attempt
- Biden withdrew from the race
- Olympics
- UK riots
- Ukraine started invading Russia.

Maybe now news will calm down.
 

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My manager has just returned from a month off. While he was off, the following news events around the world happened:

- The Trump assassination attempt
- Biden withdrew from the race
- Olympics
- UK riots
- Ukraine started invading Russia.

Maybe now news will calm down.

Your manager must have been on one of these activity holidays if he did all that while he was away.
 

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As understand it Musk has had the X algorithms tweaked to make him an ultra-user, so that anything he posts reaches x1000 more people than the standard punter. So a billion might be possible! Hopefully 99.9% of them have deleted it without listening to two hours of cr*p.
At the moment on twitter you can still mute people you don't want on your timeline . Click on the user profile that you want to ignore, hover over the kebab menu (the button with 3 dots) and pick Mute from the menu.
 
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As understand it Musk has had the X algorithms tweaked to make him an ultra-user, so that anything he posts reaches x1000 more people than the standard punter.
There aren’t even a billion accounts on Twitter.
 

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At the moment on twitter you can still mute people you don't want on your timeline . Click on the user profile that you want to ignore, hover over the kebab menu (the button with 3 dots) and pick Mute from the menu.

I’ve muted my Twitter account by deleting it.
 

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Fair point - so as well as tweaking the algorithms Musk shares Trump's tendency to multiply everything by a few orders of magnitude (e.g "there are millions crossing the Southern border every month").
What the site has done is treat every entry or attempted entry to the Space as a new view. It was broken for a long time at the start of the Space, apparently, with people just endlessly refreshing hundreds of times, and he is also treating people who tweeted about it (even if they hadn't viewed it) as a "listen".

Musk is an incredibly dull, unfunny man with the thickest and most credulous fans on the internet. And quite apart from the open endorsements of fascism, racism, and transphobia, he is also a dreadful father to his daughter while openly advocating for women to simply be sperm and baby vessels. But it is what it is.
 

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Musk is an incredibly dull, unfunny man with the thickest and most credulous fans on the internet. And quite apart from the open endorsements of fascism, racism, and transphobia, he is also a dreadful father to his daughter while openly advocating for women to simply be sperm and baby vessels. But it is what it is.
All in all, a perfect match for Trump until the inevitable cataclysmic (for both of them hopefully) break-up occurs when Musk realises he's backing a loser, again. First will come the ditching of Vance, then when that makes no difference in the polls all the talk in MAGA circles behind the scenes will be the replacement of Trump for the election, which the latter might just be more willing than Biden to consider in return for canyons full of cash plus a safe haven (Venezuala, Russia?) with yet another wife he's bought, thus ensuring he never gets his just incarceratory desserts.
 

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All in all, a perfect match for Trump until the inevitable cataclysmic (for both of them hopefully) break-up occurs when Musk realises he's backing a loser, again. First will come the ditching of Vance, then when that makes no difference in the polls all the talk in MAGA circles behind the scenes will be the replacement of Trump for the election, which the latter might just be more willing than Biden to consider in return for canyons full of cash plus a safe haven (Venezuala, Russia?) with yet another wife he's bought, thus ensuring he never gets his just incarceratory desserts.
If Trump loses the election I think Musk will also begin to give up on Twitter. It is merely a plaything for him.
 

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All in all, a perfect match for Trump until the inevitable cataclysmic (for both of them hopefully) break-up occurs when Musk realises he's backing a loser, again. First will come the ditching of Vance, then when that makes no difference in the polls all the talk in MAGA circles behind the scenes will be the replacement of Trump for the election, which the latter might just be more willing than Biden to consider in return for canyons full of cash plus a safe haven (Venezuala, Russia?) with yet another wife he's bought, thus ensuring he never gets his just incarceratory desserts.
Is there any realistic prospect of Vance being ditched?
 

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If Trump loses the election I think Musk will also begin to give up on Twitter. It is merely a plaything for him.
And, with an awareness that this is bit tin foil hat, I think that he also sees Twitter as a way of influencing events in the direction he wants them to go in. If it turns out that Twitter cannot provide the influence I think that's another reason he'll want to get out of Twitter. What's the point of dealing with the aggro when its achieving nothing tangible.
 

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Is there any realistic prospect of Vance being ditched?

I think that it is theoretically possible, but very complicated and would almost certainly lead to a lot of internal dissent. The only straightforward ways appear to be the candidate’s withdrawal or…death.
 

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I think that it is theoretically possible, but very complicated and would almost certainly lead to a lot of internal dissent. The only straightforward ways appear to be the candidate’s withdrawal or…death.
All the Republicans in authority appear to have bowed to the will of Trump, so I can't see any pesky party rules being enforced if he decides to drop Vance.
 

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I think that it is theoretically possible, but very complicated and would almost certainly lead to a lot of internal dissent. The only straightforward ways appear to be the candidate’s withdrawal or…death.
So a conversation along the lines of ''it might be in your long-term interests to withdraw, so we don't have to resort to the nuclear option.'' :smile:

In some states, voting begins as early as September, so there's not very much time for them to act unless they're prepared to lose the possibility of Republican votes in those states.
 

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Is there any realistic prospect of Vance being ditched?

It's not impossible, and it might just happen. He's useless against Walz, not least because he simply takes himself way too seriously. Walz is going to have a field day by making random off the cuff (or not so random, but you know) remarks about Vance

The Republicans have to be wondering what on earth they can do now. Harris has pulled almost equal in PA, AZ and GA, and it's very clear that Trump's war on the Governor of Georgia is backfiring badly. Trump is still ahead, but he seems completely lost and unable to find a way to actually hit Harris.

IMO, it's worth watching the polls in North Carolina. if they start polling in favour of Harris, it's probably game over for Trump.
 

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IMO, it's worth watching the polls in North Carolina. if they start polling in favour of Harris, it's probably game over for Trump.
Indeed - I know I've said something along the same lines before, so I apologise for the repetition, but my husband is a dual national US/UK and gets to vote in both, and because the last place we both lived was Raleigh, NC, he gets a vote in North Carolina. He's moaned about this in the past, but I've tried to reason with him that his vote in NC counts for something whereas in California it kind of doesn't, since it's a given who will win there. NC was said to be a closer call than it turned out to be in the last Presidential election, but I hope it's closer this time round. Of course he's voting Democrat, if that's not obvious. And I agree that if Harris starts to lead there, it's massively significant.
 

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It's not impossible, and it might just happen. He's useless against Walz, not least because he simply takes himself way too seriously. Walz is going to have a field day by making random off the cuff (or not so random, but you know) remarks about Vance

The Republicans have to be wondering what on earth they can do now. Harris has pulled almost equal in PA, AZ and GA, and it's very clear that Trump's war on the Governor of Georgia is backfiring badly. Trump is still ahead, but he seems completely lost and unable to find a way to actually hit Harris.

IMO, it's worth watching the polls in North Carolina. if they start polling in favour of Harris, it's probably game over for Trump.
Whoever replaces Vance would have to be really effective for it to work, which is unlikely as they'd have to be loyal to Trump, which doesn't correlate with competency. If Vance is replaced then any advantage Trump had in the Democrats having to make a last-ditch change of candidate will evaporate.
 

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Whoever replaces Vance would have to be really effective for it to work, which is unlikely as they'd have to be loyal to Trump, which doesn't correlate with competency. If Vance is replaced then any advantage Trump had in the Democrats having to make a last-ditch change of candidate will evaporate.

I think this is really the key problem. The Republicans have people who could do damage to Harris, but they aren't loyal to Trump and he doesn't want another Mike Pence who will do the right thing. Yet he also didn't take someone who would dominate the media like Lauren Boebert, hateful as she is.

NC was said to be a closer call than it turned out to be in the last Presidential election, but I hope it's closer this time round.

It would be surprising if it did switch to the Democrats, but there was only around 70,000 votes in it last time round. A swing of 35,000 is nothing, especially if Trump continues to implode. There is something to watch in the race for the governor there, as the Democrat candidate is pulling ahead of the Republican.
 

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It's not impossible, and it might just happen. He's useless against Walz, not least because he simply takes himself way too seriously. Walz is going to have a field day by making random off the cuff (or not so random, but you know) remarks about Vance

The Republicans have to be wondering what on earth they can do now. Harris has pulled almost equal in PA, AZ and GA, and it's very clear that Trump's war on the Governor of Georgia is backfiring badly. Trump is still ahead, but he seems completely lost and unable to find a way to actually hit Harris.

IMO, it's worth watching the polls in North Carolina. if they start polling in favour of Harris, it's probably game over for Trump.

Are there any swing states where Harris is actually ahead right now, incidentally? If Trump is still marginally ahead in PA, AZ and GA then presumably he still gets enough electoral college votes to win, but if the trend in those three states is away from Trump then that obviously changes.
 
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