-
Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!
Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)
- Thread starter GusB
- Start date
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R
RailUK Forums
Siemens Trains
Member
- Joined
- 29 Nov 2018
- Messages
- 707
I was innocently thinking that the line of text appearing at the bottom of your posts must be jargon - but maybe not!
PVR is probably short for Peak Vehicle Requirement: the number of buses needed to run a bus service each day.
stevenedin
Established Member
Buses don’t need to be allocated in order, they can be in different depots. The fleet number is just the fleet number. Originally 1003, 1004, 1013 & 1028-1049 were at Lothian Country with the rest at Lothian. It just depends on where they decide to put them.
== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==
Lothian, Lothian Country and East Coast Buses have all stopped tracking on bus times.
Last edited:
However Lothian in recent times have made it evident they want to put them in order with the reallocation of ex Londons.
The tracking issue started around 11pm last night and is yet to be resolved. It's the exact same problem as last time. They really need to roll out the new AVL system in full instead of relying on this temporary one which has proven unreliable.
The system I am referring to is one where only the location data is taken from the AVL, with the route / bus stop information being manually inserted by control - this has been in use since the 600s were introduced into service and the number of vehicles using it has gradually grown over the last few years. The trip will change regardless of where the bus is, so if its broken down it'll keep showing as normal while broken down causing incorrect live times on the app/website, or if a bus is late near the terminus it'll track as if its already on the return leg.
Last edited:
VioletEclipse
Member
What are the chances of the new AVL system being fully rolled out to the point of having bus trackers at stops working again by the end of September? I somewhat suspect it may be low, and am assunimg that the BZLs will likely use the temporary system at first, as it's only two days until they're meant to enter service.
LothianLover88
Member
Bus tracking systems across both apps aren't working. If you go into the integrated m-ticket/bus times app, they've added a little notification to let everyone know. Is this the first time this has happened since the launch of the new integrated app?
No, its the second time at least.
I was hoping for them to transition once the AVLs were fully rolled out onto buses, which was now a few months ago. I am now hoping that it'll change with the service change on Sunday but I am not confident that it will.
I don't know what they are doing internally which is making it take so long. It could also be that they will roll it out at the same time as the live times on the bus stop screens which could be any day now.
Last edited:
muffy
Member
Or if a bus is swapped over, the fresh bus often doesn't appear on the tracker on bustime plus the App despite the AVL on the fresh bus very clearly showing the correct info for what the bus is actually doing.
Odd to see that 670 has stayed at Central, unless it will be moved tonight.
== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==
Twitter Announcement
Officially confirmed that the BZLs will begin service on the 8/9 tomorrow (Sunday).
FlybeDash8Q400
Established Member
I would find it likely it will move to Longstone if it’s not moved yet. That’s been done intentionally in my opinion.
There's approximately 10 BZLs at Central today (possibly one or two more).
FlybeDash8Q400
Established Member
Just to add to this, 671 still Central allocated for the moment. Again, I suspect this and 670 will end up at Longstone later.
VioletEclipse
Member
will the BZLs more likely go out at the start of service tomorrow, or go into service with some kind of launch later in the day?
From start of service.
427 and 1000 have been moved to Longstone now as well.
VioletEclipse
Member
One thing that I'm happy to see is that they seem to have figured out the livery just below the windows on the nearside, with the white being even from the doors to the back.
LothianLover88
Member
How many will be out? I am aware 10-12 are at Central but don’t know how many are equipped for service.
Unknown how many will be out, if there’s enough ready for service I’d expect the routes to be fully converted from tomorrow.
There is 10 looking 'ready', two look to be missing fleet numbers and have VOR signs.
stevenedin
Established Member
The bus tracker is a bit messed up today for Lothian Country. You have the 72 going to Mid Calder, the X18, X27 & X28 going to Eliburn. This is on the new app.
FlybeDash8Q400
Established Member
No tracking on the new BZL’s yet despite them already having AVL’s fitted. A very strange one.
stevenedin
Established Member
ScotRail158725
Established Member
- Joined
- 27 Nov 2018
- Messages
- 2,446
To be fair that livery does go well on them. It’s esentially the same livery as pre Harlequin just with a few different bits of gold trim
stevenedin
Established Member
I agree. I really like it
ScotRail158725
Established Member
- Joined
- 27 Nov 2018
- Messages
- 2,446
670 and 671 still in Central, most of 672-678 out on Marine routes today, assuming these will be to cover the 15/45 extension and the extra peak work despite it only being a PVR increase of 4 or 5
FlybeDash8Q400
Established Member
Several of 426-437 still haven’t moved so I think they’ll get round to them later.
computerSaysNo
Established Member
- Joined
- 14 Dec 2018
- Messages
- 1,462
Interestingly, the 19 is all 2017 Zoo-branded B5TL/Gemini 3s (normally 2014 B5TL/G3s), the 22 is all 2015 B5LH hybrids, and the 26 has a relatively large number of 2021 B5/E400s.
From using the "Rare" and individual route searches on lvf.io.
From using the "Rare" and individual route searches on lvf.io.
VioletEclipse
Member
it's currently showing 253 as being on the 37, which is funny to imagine but obviosly incorrect, and I wouldn't have thought a tram tracker ending up in a bus would be that likely
It's still the old system so its control manually signing buses in. This would've been a typo.