Stagecoach North West Discussion

[mbonwick]

Just when I thought we'd got past pointless allocation posts....

Anyway, to prove I'm not just moaning, P1 fleetcards will be up in the next few minutes at http://mbonwick.bve-terminus.org/SCNW/Fleetcards/11
Bookmark for future use!

 

[KendalKing]

47021 was on early morning service 7 Vale, with the back end hanging off !!!!!

For those interested Stagecoach Yorkshire 36408 YN11 FEV, is currently on delivery, it passed Carnforth about 18.55

 

[stagecoachuk]

20451 on short 685s by 17.00
33076 in Annan and 33162 on 69s

Staceys of Carlisle currently have a White Operate Solo. YJ60??? and looked about the same size as the Buttermere Solos.

 

[rosswatson]

20451 on short 685s by 17.00
33076 in Annan and 33162 on 69s

Staceys of Carlisle currently have a White Operate Solo. YJ60??? and looked about the same size as the Buttermere Solos.

33162 was on Citi's this morning, and 47018 on 69..... wish its usual lean..!

 

[stagecoachuk]

33162 was on Citi's this morning, and 47018 on 69..... wish its usual lean..!

Oh dear!

 

[cainebj]

20859 with its new owner. One of a few buses that North West have repanelled and repainted, then never used! (Not my picture).

 

[Stagecoach NW]

Does anyone know yet when we will start seeing the 50 ADL Scania Enviro 300 single-deckers being sent out that are on order, it's just the ADL ones (24) being sent out at the moment for Morecambe (12), Hull (8) and Chichester (4) (correct me if i'm wrong)

 

[darrenw29]

16355 in workshop & 16397 in the paintshop which might explain 16343 on 553/4
Seen 34700 working a 62 this aft

 

[stagecoachuk]

16355 in workshop & 16397 in the paintshop which might explain 16343 on 553/4
Seen 34700 working a 62 this aft

Yeah 34700 has been out since Monday on the Citi network. Was on the 38 first thing this morning but passed me on the 62A tonight.

20977 on the 76 and 34719 on the 279 into Carlisle tonight.

There is a Volvo B7 in Volvo Bus & Truck Carlisle tonight, looked like a Lillyhall one judging by the branding.

 

[cainebj]

Going back to some seriousness for a change.

Took a ride on 20913 today on X58. With any luck, its next for the scrapper. Worst B10M I have ever been on. It would be a serious competitor for the bounciest bus, along with ex LL 32917. Going through Tallentire, it bounced me off the seat. The back end was kicking out on every bend in the road too, felt like it was made out of paper and glue.

It's no secret at the minute that a lot of depot's are expecting Kendal's Tridents when they get the Scania's, thought it would be worthwhile documenting the theories on here that have came out so far.

Theory 1:
All 10 of KL's Tridents to PR, for Preston Citi 3 and 61, with some Tridents from London coming for 59 and Preston College 4C. This would in turn send short Olympians to Kendal, which are thought to have already been rejected by Kendal on capacity reasons, hence their Leyland's staying for at least another year.

Theory 2:
Tridents from KL to ME replacing 4 S-BWC Tridents, 14196, 16877 and 4 R-NBV's. 3 Tridents for OT-ing, and the other as a spare for Kendal's Scania's. That would leave 4 NBV's to move to KL replacing Leyland's, but they've apparently said they're keeping all Leyland's for another year.

Theory 3:
2 Tridents to Barrow and others to Preston.

Theory 4:
Nothing has been decided yet.

 

[Dallamlad]

Going back to some seriousness for a change.

Took a ride on 20913 today on X58. With any luck, its next for the scrapper. Worst B10M I have ever been on. It would be a serious competitor for the bounciest bus, along with ex LL 32917. Going through Tallentire, it bounced me off the seat. The back end was kicking out on every bend in the road too, felt like it was made out of paper and glue.

It's no secret at the minute that a lot of depot's are expecting Kendal's Tridents when they get the Scania's, thought it would be worthwhile documenting the theories on here that have came out so far.

Theory 1:
All 10 of KL's Tridents to PR, for Preston Citi 3 and 61, with some Tridents from London coming for 59 and Preston College 4C. This would in turn send short Olympians to Kendal, which are thought to have already been rejected by Kendal on capacity reasons, hence their Leyland's staying for at least another year.

Theory 2:
Tridents from KL to ME replacing 4 S-BWC Tridents, 14196, 16877 and 4 R-NBV's. 3 Tridents for OT-ing, and the other as a spare for Kendal's Scania's. That would leave 4 NBV's to move to KL replacing Leyland's, but they've apparently said they're keeping all Leyland's for another year.

Theory 3:
2 Tridents to Barrow and others to Preston.

Theory 4:
Nothing has been decided yet.

I'm tempted to go for the nothing has been decided option lol as different people from different depots think different things haha.

 

[Mike Redding]

Click on a profile name, click "user lists" just below the name on the next page, click "add to ignore list", and Bob is probably not your uncle - the posts from the user are hidden.

 

[robertclark125]

I'm tempted to go for the nothing has been decided option lol as different people from different depots think different things haha.

I'd also reckon different depots have a different wish list!

 

[Stagecoach NW]

Going back to some seriousness for a change.

Took a ride on 20913 today on X58. With any luck, its next for the scrapper. Worst B10M I have ever been on. It would be a serious competitor for the bounciest bus, along with ex LL 32917. Going through Tallentire, it bounced me off the seat. The back end was kicking out on every bend in the road too, felt like it was made out of paper and glue.

It's no secret at the minute that a lot of depot's are expecting Kendal's Tridents when they get the Scania's, thought it would be worthwhile documenting the theories on here that have came out so far.

Theory 1:
All 10 of KL's Tridents to PR, for Preston Citi 3 and 61, with some Tridents from London coming for 59 and Preston College 4C. This would in turn send short Olympians to Kendal, which are thought to have already been rejected by Kendal on capacity reasons, hence their Leyland's staying for at least another year.

Theory 2:
Tridents from KL to ME replacing 4 S-BWC Tridents, 14196, 16877 and 4 R-NBV's. 3 Tridents for OT-ing, and the other as a spare for Kendal's Scania's. That would leave 4 NBV's to move to KL replacing Leyland's, but they've apparently said they're keeping all Leyland's for another year.

Theory 3:
2 Tridents to Barrow and others to Preston.

Theory 4:
Nothing has been decided yet.

There were talks a few month's ago about Brand New buses for the 61 in the winter and I think some of ME's ALX300's are going down for the 3's and why would Tridents go to Barrow, to replace their refurbed olympians?

Also Mbonwick I don't want you to leave you, Dallam lad, ALX400 and a few others are the only ones that keep the thread to 'it's real topic'

 

[rosswatson]

I'm also going with "nothing has been decided yet"...... after all, this is Stagecoach As has been previously mentioned, its a shame that the extra X5's are B10M operated. Although, if the demand is there, we may some LF's brought in if the service is made permanent. Personally, I think it will be summer only. Winter loadings tend to be much lighter.

It's also worth noting that 17017 has gone off the radar........ again! Replacement LF decker please....

 

[Dallamlad]

I'm also going with "nothing has been decided yet"...... after all, this is Stagecoach As has been previously mentioned, its a shame that the extra X5's are B10M operated. Although, if the demand is there, we may some LF's brought in if the service is made permanent. Personally, I think it will be summer only. Winter loadings tend to be much lighter.

Would be nice for LL to get some MANs from Manc (16 have earmarked for cascade, 8 are going to Western and 8 are apparently going somewhere else...) although from what I've heard Manc are getting rid of the worst ones they have haha.

17017 off again! Can't imagine LL been happy about spending more money on it haha!

 

[Dallamlad]

Might actually make sense to swap 17017 with a 55 reg Trident from ME. ME might not light it but I bet 17017 would do a lot better down here lol.

Mike Redding-Thanks

 

[rosswatson]

Would be nice for LL to get some MANs from Manc (16 have earmarked for cascade, 8 are going to Western and 8 are apparently going somewhere else...) although from what I've heard Manc are getting rid of the worst ones they have haha.

17017 off again! Can't imagine LL been happy about spending more money on it haha!

Getting rid of the worst ones..... is that why we ended up with 17017? Shame we can't get four MAN's in to replace our four 56 plate Darts to send them to Carlisle. The short Darts are far from ideal for the Citi network.

 

[Dallamlad]

Getting rid of the worst ones..... is that why we ended up with 17017? Shame we can't get four MAN's in to replace our four 56 plate Darts to send them to Carlisle. The short Darts are far from ideal for the Citi network.

Indeed! KL are expecting M reg replacements I think and these could be 4 MANs from Manc but hopefully we'll see some more. I may be regretting saying that when they turn up and are totally useless lol!

 

[07andrew]

Finally nomore arguing and back to Stagecoach North West Allocations/Fleet Changes!

Get 17017 back to Lancaster where the crap is!
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Going back to some seriousness for a change.

Took a ride on 20913 today on X58. With any luck, its next for the scrapper. Worst B10M I have ever been on. It would be a serious competitor for the bounciest bus, along with ex LL 32917. Going through Tallentire, it bounced me off the seat. The back end was kicking out on every bend in the road too, felt like it was made out of paper and glue.

It's no secret at the minute that a lot of depot's are expecting Kendal's Tridents when they get the Scania's, thought it would be worthwhile documenting the theories on here that have came out so far.

Theory 1:
All 10 of KL's Tridents to PR, for Preston Citi 3 and 61, with some Tridents from London coming for 59 and Preston College 4C. This would in turn send short Olympians to Kendal, which are thought to have already been rejected by Kendal on capacity reasons, hence their Leyland's staying for at least another year.

Theory 2:
Tridents from KL to ME replacing 4 S-BWC Tridents, 14196, 16877 and 4 R-NBV's. 3 Tridents for OT-ing, and the other as a spare for Kendal's Scania's. That would leave 4 NBV's to move to KL replacing Leyland's, but they've apparently said they're keeping all Leyland's for another year.

Theory 3:
2 Tridents to Barrow and others to Preston.

Theory 4:
Nothing has been decided yet.

You can tell me about that Tallentire crack again! I tried it on 42025 back in 2010 on 58, It got to a point where I ended up getting a black eye due to banging it off the push-button posts!

 

[cainebj]

Just noticed a slight little error in my post now, after you quoted it! It was Dearham, then on to Dovenby, not Tallentire!

 

[07andrew]

Just noticed a slight little error in my post now, after you quoted it! It was Dearham, then on to Dovenby, not Tallentire!

Ohh aye, It was a coincidence before when I was on 16870 on 30!
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Period 1 Movements:
20475 from Reserve to Disposal
20476 from Reserve to Disposal
20477 from Reserve to Disposal
20894 from Reserve to Disposal
20901 from Reserve to Disposal
20902 from Reserve to Disposal
20913 from Reserve to Disposal
20943 from Reserve to Disposal
20952 from Reserve to Disposal
22104 from Manchester to Lillyhall Reserve
22108 from Manchester to Morecambe Reserve
27743 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27744 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27745 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27746 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27747 from NEW to Disposal
34048 from Carlisle to Disposal
40327 from Barrow to Disposal
47753 from Reserve to Lillyhall
47754 from Reserve to Lillyhall
90586 from Disposal to Sold
90908 from Head Office to LEX Leasing
91854 from Head Office (MD) to Manchester
93021 from LEX Leasing from Head Office

Don't spit the dummy out if I've got the movements wrong OK?

 

[mbonwick]

I'm going to guess that you got them from my little corner of t'internet.
In which case, some thanks would be nice....

 

[jonesy3001]

Ohh aye, It was a coincidence before when I was on 16870 on 30!
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Period 1 Movements:
20475 from Reserve to Disposal
20476 from Reserve to Disposal
20477 from Reserve to Disposal
20894 from Reserve to Disposal
20901 from Reserve to Disposal
20902 from Reserve to Disposal
20913 from Reserve to Disposal
20943 from Reserve to Disposal
20952 from Reserve to Disposal
22104 from Manchester to Lillyhall Reserve
22108 from Manchester to Morecambe Reserve
27743 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27744 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27745 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27746 from NEW to Morecambe Reserve
27747 from NEW to Disposal
34048 from Carlisle to Disposal
40327 from Barrow to Disposal
47753 from Reserve to Lillyhall
47754 from Reserve to Lillyhall
90586 from Disposal to Sold
90908 from Head Office to LEX Leasing
91854 from Head Office (MD) to Manchester
93021 from LEX Leasing from Head Office

Don't spit the dummy out if I've got the movements wrong OK?

How can a new bus be up for disposal already?
In worcestorshire and noticed the 10` plate E400 scanias(15670-15674) they use down here on the 28 also have the blue leather seating on the rear
seats.
Back in the north tomorrow.

 

[cainebj]

How can a new bus be up for disposal already?

It's on the proper fleet movements list as NEW to Disposal, but it is listed on the reserve list with the others. Just a typing error, probably in the rush to get the fleetcard ready before the open day.

I'm going to guess that you got them from my little corner of t'internet.
In which case, some thanks would be nice....

To sit in the middle of you's, I'll have to comment on this as well, being a uni student where stuff like this can lose you your place in the uni. In any uni assignments, any source has to be referenced, whether a copyright owner is named or not, if you don't reference it and the examiner discovers it is not your own work, you're booted off your course (or if you're really nice and sweet, they'll fail you for that examined element, and you'll have to re-do the work in the resit period, and take a maximum mark of 40%, which is the minimum pass level). So, 07andrew should, along those guidelines, reference where he copied the information (from the fleetcard), and could say where he got the fleetcard from (as in Harvard referencing, dallamlad will be on my side when I say how much of a bugger that thing is, spend more time on the referencing than you do a 2500 word essay), but mbonwick, you should also reference Stagecoach (or the fleetcard authors) on your site when you post Stagecoach's property to your personal page (unless a document or information posted has been approved for use by the copyright owner and they haven't requested credit be given).
We all know it would be very impractical to reference every little bit of information that goes on here, but just remember that it works in both ways. 07andrew has copied information from the fleetcard, but you have also essentially copied the fleetcard onto your personal website.
So basically, if you're wanting credit from 07andrew, then you should credit Stagecoach (or fleetcard author) yourself.

 

[Dallamlad]

It's on the proper fleet movements list as NEW to Disposal, but it is listed on the reserve list with the others. Just a typing error, probably in the rush to get the fleetcard ready before the open day.

Indeed, they also have 22108 down as ME reserve and I think that is a mistake unless it's coming to ME for work or something.

 

[stagecoachuk]

Indeed, they also have 22108 down as ME reserve and I think that is a mistake unless it's coming to ME for work or something.

Maybe stored at ME after treatment at LL?
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Getting rid of the worst ones..... is that why we ended up with 17017? Shame we can't get four MAN's in to replace our four 56 plate Darts to send them to Carlisle. The short Darts are far from ideal for the Citi network.

I'm saying nothing! Although I did hear 4 B10Ms were going at Carlisle (4/7/8/9) with 4 Darts coming on but it wasnt the Lillyhall ones.... Hmmmmm

 

[Class20]

I think its always a case of "wait and see" when it comes to future bus allocations as anything could happen.

Theory 1:
All 10 of KL's Tridents to PR, for Preston Citi 3 and 61, with some Tridents from London coming for 59 and Preston College 4C. This would in turn send short Olympians to Kendal, which are thought to have already been rejected by Kendal on capacity reasons, hence their Leyland's staying for at least another year.

However, I would be happy to see this theory work out. Preston could really do with low floor buses for the 61 (ether new or second hand). In recent months the route has been re-worked to serve extra villages during its journeys to and from Blackpool. Although some people may be please with this, the use of high floor vehicles is surly a turn off for potential passengers.

I can't say much about the Olympians, I don't know that much information, but if KL loose their Tridents then Preston must be high on the list to gain them?

David.c

 

[stagecoachuk]

I'm not going to comment on what's been said since, except that I take stagecoachuk's comment to be banterous rather than malicious in intent.

Correct lol!
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I think its always a case of "wait and see" when it comes to future bus allocations as anything could happen.



However, I would be happy to see this theory work out. Preston could really do with low floor buses for the 61 (ether new or second hand). In recent months the route has been re-worked to serve extra villages during its journeys to and from Blackpool. Although some people may be please with this, the use of high floor vehicles is surly a turn off for potential passengers.

I can't say much about the Olympians, I don't know that much information, but if KL loose their Tridents then Preston must be high on the list to gain them?

David.c

If Carlisle do not get one for the 553/554 when the Enviros arrive then we will never will get one....
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Scouse Dart still not out at Carlisle yet!

 

[Gez.SCNW]

20477 landed today I am assuming 22807 headed south as PR should have collected it and didn't
Our next two 300s
27748 PX11 DNJ A306/8 30577 del 27th and PX11 DNN A306/9 30578 del 31st

22826 next off to CE for repaint

22150 sitting on our pits

I can say 100% sure that Citi 3 WILL NOT be getting ex Kendal Tridents