Marcel7179
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So no progress until November? Really?
Also the offer for 2023 - 4.75% is less than half of what inflation was in April that year. In fact, the 2023 and 2024 pay offers put together are still less than what inflation was for that year alone.
Wouldn't bother wasting your breath, it's either they stump up and offer the money or the industrial action ballots go out again.
12LDA28C
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The same as the ASLEF offer then.
Why are ASLEF members being sent ballots if they do not have a formal offer?
***Ignore this. I thought the comment was about something else and read it wrong!
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driver9000
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ASLEF does have a formal offer and members were sent a copy of the DfT headed letter it was given on.
dk1
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Fingers crossed it will be confirmed that we are all 14.94% better off on Thursday 19th of this month.
GardenRail
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No.
In fairness, given developments during the previous dispute that clearly isn’t the case - the RMT had their initial deal a long while ago while Aslef are only just catching up.
Could you do better?
There's far more to the RMT than these pay talks! They are not a union simply for railway staff
Marcel7179
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Exactly,
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GardenRail
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Maybe this frustration should be aimed towards the RMT.
Regarding the meetings, it is a mikey take. The last update we got, on the 30th August said...
'I have contacted Network Rail, who advised that they are finalising their approval process and that a meeting will be scheduled for next week'.
Now once again, this meeting never happened, no offer has been received. I can understand why people are starting to think that the company is deliberately stalling, with a feeling that the RMT simply are not interested.
And no update to members since.
If it was the Conservative Party in power, I feel the union would have been a lot more vocal, maybe even organising ballots for action. After all, it's nearing 10 months since the anniversary, there was an offer of 3.5% back in April, and nothing since.
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Really? Never knew that, silly me. Frontline staff are once again being shafted because the RMT are too busy giving labour hugs and kisses. As pointed out above, if the conservatives were in there would have been talks of strikes all over the news. Into month 10 with nothing concrete, which also holds back the NWR bonus that was due to be paid in Augusts pay I believe.
Could I send an email or text saying ‘sorry no talks went ahead this week due to blah blah blah’
I think so yeah… not asking for miracles I’m asking for an update on the update from the last pointless update.
MalaiseForever
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Correct - bonus won’t be paid until the pay deals are concluded for all bands.
The cabinet have only just resumed from their summer recess. There was a new government installed not that long prior, anything before then can't be used as ammunition. Both sides have talked about resetting industrial relations. There is a simply a delay.
On the TOC side, the RMT last stated that they were awaiting cross-department sign off so clearly there was going to be a delay.
The RMT would have talked about taking action if they weren't satisfied with how the talks have progressed. Yes there is a delay but there's been no inkling of a breakdown in talks. We'll all get the backpay anyway so a few more weeks isn't going to matter is the grand scheme surely.
Can't talk regarding the NR talks which don't seem to be progressing for some reason.
Plus, with the Autumn spending review on the horizon, I'd expect it to be quiet until then now.
Blackpool boy
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The RMT pull their affiliation from Labour some years back.
Looking at your posts it seems a lot of stamping your feet like a petulant child 'I want I want I want' cos ASLEF got theirs
As someone said before - go back to your rep and ask them what's going on - that's their job and try and be little bit patient
GardenRail
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In his defence, even the reps don't have a clue what the status is, because it's not been passed down the line so to speak. I emailed the RMT helpline, they replied saying ask the area reps, I asked the area reps, and got an emoji of a bloke shrugging his shoulders.....
I also believe that we have been patient. 9¹/² months for what.... Just how patient should people be? 2025 pay talks should be starting soon....
I do however think it's about time that frustrations and annoyances were aimed at the RMT, who willingly takes people's subs every month.
Sadly I don't think there will be much movement now. Employees don't have fire in their belly anymore, and a growing number of new employees believe that their wages are good, because companies feel warm and fuzzy inside, and pay a decent wage out the goodness of their hearts....
Lastly, regarding affiliations to Labour, maybe they want to be. The attitude of the Union, well it was totally different when those Nasty Tories were dragging their heals, they got some hard grief from the Union. And, are Labour even involved in the NR talks, and meetings, that it turns out, are not even happening.....
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Marcel7179
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Blackpool boy
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Well if your reps don't have a clue then you will find nothing new from a forum will you? Its your reps who you should be pushing for answers on this - and why are you taking an emoji as an answer? Id be right round to see them and demand they start asking questions - that's what you pay your dues for
Exactly. They're normally very forthcoming with info so why not now?
and most of that time period has had a government who didn't want to pay any one any extra money which is why you have been going out on strike to try and force their hand remember?
They don't want to be though, they want to align themselves more with the Corbyn movement
I simply aired my opinion, if you don’t like it that’s fine, I won’t lose sleep over it neither should you.
I’m happy for ASLEF members, where have I said any different? Typical keyboard warrior getting personal .
Be patient.. 9 months into 2024 pay talks with 3 months remaining.. yeah good one
KNN
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It's 9 months into 2024, but it's only two months into a new government, half of that has been parliament recess.
Even if railway industrial relations was top priority (which it isn't) 2 months would be a very quick turnaround.
And the negotiations must be going well, Mick Lynch wrote an article in the Guardian praising the new government's approach about a week ago.
Blackpool boy
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I have outlined the other points above.
DarloRich
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Exactly - I suggest posters tune thier political antennae better. Look at the press and see what the landscape looks like. Bigger picture and all that..............
Merle Haggard
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Out of curiosity and not political points - but Mick Lynch is a member of the Labour N.E.C. as a result of his role as R.M.T. leader. What's the criteria - just union membership numbers not political affiliation?
DarloRich
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I don't think he is - The ASLEF leader is on the NEC. I always thought you had to be an affiliated union to have a seat on the NEC - off the top of my head they are Unite, Unison, TSSA, Musicians ( cant forget the musicians!) , FBU, CWU, USDAW, GMB and ASLEF ( and some others that I cant recall!)
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