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Porterbrook Cl.769 'Flex' trains from 319s, initially for Northern

craigybagel

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Are all the others so knackered that they couldn't rescue a failure? Shows how little faith there is in them. 150s or 153s still go to Pembroke Dock or Milford Haven. The nearest compatible rescue unit is probably on the Heart of Wales.
There's rarely only one sprinter available in West Wales, and even if there was, blocking the line down there is less likely to cause issues nationwide than a problem around Manchester.
 
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There's rarely only one sprinter available in West Wales, and even if there was, blocking the line down there is less likely to cause issues nationwide than a problem around Manchester.
There is today. Everything else is a 197. Regarding your second point, if a 769 fails at Salford Crescent and the other diagram is near Southport, it's still going to cause a lot of disruption waiting for the rescue to arrive.

Just checked RTT. I can only see one class 769 out today, 0705, 1005 etc from Southport.
 
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There is today. Everything else is a 197.
In an emergency, you can rescue a 15x with a 197 - albeit slowly and painfully. And it shouldn't take that long to get a unit down from the HOWL. As I said though, a failure in West Wales, as annoying as it would be for passengers down there, does not have the capacity to gridlock the entire nation like Castlefield can.
Regarding your second point, if a 769 fails at Salford Crescent and the other diagram is near Southport, it's still going to cause a lot of disruption waiting for the rescue to arrive.
Lots of disruption, yes, but at least a rescue unit will be available to get to it eventually. Worst case scenario is still going to be less than 2 hours to get a 1Z99 across. How long is it going to take to rescue the unit if there's literally no other 769s available to rescue it?
Just checked RTT. I can only see one class 769 out today, 0705, 1005 etc from Southport.
I would assume there's another unit that's fit to run parked on a depot somewhere - possibly with a fault that means it can't be used in passenger service but can be used to rescue a failed unit?
 

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There is today. Everything else is a 197. Regarding your second point, if a 769 fails at Salford Crescent and the other diagram is near Southport, it's still going to cause a lot of disruption waiting for the rescue to arrive.

Just checked RTT. I can only see one class 769 out today, 0705, 1005 etc from Southport.
There were two 769s out yesterday. The 0705, 1005 from Southport etc was 769 434. 769 431 operated from Stalybridge to Southport as 2W15 (arriving 1430) where it should have operated the 1505 to Oxford Road. That was cancelled and the unit was dropped onto 2W60 1526 back to Stalybridge. A fair few unit swaps yesterday, but definitely two in service...
 

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I know 456 had a test run. Are you allowed to say what the issue(s) was Dave? Hopefully they have given some attention to the power change over components. I'm off today but it seems like not many are out.

Also do we know what's happening with 424 as that seems to be missing too
 
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I know 456 had a test run. Are you allowed to say what the issue(s) was Dave? Hopefully they have given some attention to the power change over components. I'm off today but it seems like not many are out.

Also do we know what's happening with 424 as that seems to be missing too
424 is waiting for overhauled engines.
Thank you very much Dave

I'm the mean time is it likely to be found anywhere within AN?

Cheers, Simon
450's just had an engine changed, just waiting for parts.
 

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Thank you Dave
Dave, are you, or any other kind soul, able to confirm if 769450 was one of the 2x 769s next to each other in the Allerton yard, at the Hunts Cross end today, Tuesday 6/8 circa 4pm?

Wasnt able to go past twice on the main network and from the Merseyrail 777 the view had too much dreaded buddleia... :(

Thanks in hope... Simon
 
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diligentdave

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Dave, are you, or any other kind soul, able to confirm if 769450 was one of the 2x 769s next to each other in the Allerton yard, at the Hunts Cross end today, Tuesday 6/8 circa 4pm?

Wasnt able to go past twice on the main network and from the Merseyrail 777 the view had too much dreaded buddleia... :(

Thanks in hope... Simon
769450 & 769456 should be going out on a test run today 07/08 (possibly the diagram below) so watch out for them.

 

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Thanks for your speedy reply Dave but I am now back down in deepest darkest Kent

Big ask but any idea whether I would have seen 450 alongside either 456 or 458 yesterday?

Or whether you can't help as the two were just an unknown combo of those three siblings?

Thanks in hope, Simon
 

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Thanks for your speedy reply Dave but I am now back down in deepest darkest Kent

Big ask but any idea whether I would have seen 450 alongside either 456 or 458 yesterday?

Or whether you can't help as the two were just an unknown combo of those three siblings?

Thanks in hope, Simon
Sorry, can't say where or what ones they would of been.
 

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Sorry, can't say where or what ones they would of bee

Thank you for letting me know Dave, appreciated. Worth an ask :)

One for another day... Cheers



All. .. Sorry to be an ongoing pain in the proverbial but given 450 and 456 went out from Allerton today is anyone able to advise which depot 458 was at yesterday?

Assuming either Allerton or Newton Heath?
 
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Just thought I would see how the fleet were doing today, seems as though a combination of less power swaps (Vic - Stalybridge now on 25KV) and reliability mods at Allerton is helping

424 - Allerton
431 - Out
434 - Allerton
442 - Out
448 - Out
450 - Allerton
456 - Out
458 - Out
 

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Just thought I would see how the fleet were doing today, seems as though a combination of less power swaps (Vic - Stalybridge now on 25KV) and reliability mods at Allerton is helping

424 - Allerton
431 - Out
434 - Allerton
442 - Out
448 - Out
450 - Allerton
456 - Out
458 - Out
When did Stalybridge switch to electric? I thought it wasn't going to be until December.
 

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Just thought I would see how the fleet were doing today, seems as though a combination of less power swaps (Vic - Stalybridge now on 25KV) and reliability mods at Allerton is helping

424 - Allerton
431 - Out
434 - Allerton
442 - Out
448 - Out
450 - Allerton
456 - Out
458 - Out
769450 back in service today for the first time in a long time. 769424/48 not allocated today, but the other 6 are in traffic, first time for a long time that 6 (as diagrammed) are in service. Perhaps the 'extended' electric runs to Stalybridge are helping?
 

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Todays fleet update

424 - Allerton
431 - Out
434 - Out
442 - Out
448 - Out
450 - Out
456 - Allerton
458 - Out

As I was typing this message 448 has just been declared a failure on 2W03! It was almost THE day!

Edit 0832 - 448 is back in service!
 
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It doesn't appear to be a good week for the 769's

On Monday evening 769 442 2W20 1604 Starting WGW (Wigan Wallgate) after running empty from MCO (Manchester Oxford Road) gave up at Appley Bridge causing delays and cancellations whilst it was reversed back to the Wigan sidings

And this morning 769 431 2071 (Southport) SOP-MCO (Manchester Oxford Road) after leaving Lostock junction loud banging a couple of times from under the former 1st Class end so much the driver asked the guard to investigate, and is now stuck at Salford Crescent (just moving now arrived 19L departed 43L)

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Superb thanks Matt!

424 seems to be back on the system

424 - Newton Heath
431 - Out
434 - Allerton
442 - Out
448 - Newton Heath
450 - Out
456 - Crewe
458 - Out

Both demics 431 and 442 still seem to be going despite the various issues!
 
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