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Things in living memory which seem very anachronistic now

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I'm not a power user, but here's mine set up to calculate pi x r squared with r on the C line and the answer on A. Also very easy to see the reverse question - if the answer is 20 what's the value of r?
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I got to use a simpler version along with log tables for my O levels in 1977, but calculators allowed for A levels in 1979.
I was about to do something similar a few hours ago but then realised I’d thrown the darn thing out a few years ago. IIRC there must have been a fairly standard convention amongst manufacturers for the names of the scales once you were beyond A,B,C,D etc.
 
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Making calculations were a lot quicker with slide rules than with log tables - with the latter, you generally had to write the numbers down. With practice, you could be very quick with a slide rule - probably quicker than the early simple electric calculators.
B.R. Accounting centres used the mechanical calculator (the name of which I've forgotten) which had 10 (?)rows of numbers and a revolving handle - again, the people I saw using them were very quick. Had to be numerate as well, though; for instance, multiplying by 18 didn't involve turning the handle 18 times; you set the scale to tens and rotated forward twice, then set to units and went in reverse twice. Quicker to do than explain!
I think that was the Comptometer, a sort of adding machine that gave access to all numbers on each digit of the numbers entered. It was in it's time a role that needed training in order to use them at speed.
 

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I think that was the Comptometer, a sort of adding machine that gave access to all numbers on each digit of the numbers entered. It was in it's time a role that needed training in order to use them at speed.
I also think it was a comptometer. It had a grid of 10 rows and 10 columns of numbers so you could select any number between 1 and 99 to use in the calculation. We used to get someone in each year for final accounts to cost out our stock sheets (units x price, then each sheet totalled).
 

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When I left University in 1966, the first company that I worked for had comptometer machines and it was only young women who operated them. I have been researching into information and it was the model WM machines that were used. Quite sturdy machines with metal casing.
Thinking of sturdy machines with metal casings, much analytical scientific equipment was so constructed with manual controls when I started work in 1980. Many of the operational functions (eg: doors for loading microbalances, etc.) were located on the righthand side of the instrument including rotatory controls. As a lefthander, this was always a tad awkward for me. Nowadays, doors on either sides with centrally placed digital keypad operation make things a darn sight easier.
 

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You probably need to revise or understand multiplication and division using log tables first. The slide rule you’re looking at has all sorts of extra scales for directly reading trig functions like sine cos tan etc, but it basically has logarithmic scales that you add to multiply, and subtract to divide. It’s a lot easier to explain with a basic educational slide rule, your example is an advanced version. The key thing about slide rules is you needed to work out your expected range for your answer in your head, because for example multiplying a number like 20x20 would be done exactly the same way as 200x200.

I think in a previous discussion of slide rules we had it was decided they only had a relatively short life in secondary education. I’m 70 next birthday and of an age group who generally used slide rules at school, older people might have only used log tables , but we used both. Then with calculators appearing teaching slide rules stopped only a few years later.
It now intrigues me even more as to what role my aunt must have been fulfilling during WW2.
 

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The main problem is that you can only reliably achieve three significant figure accuracy, as opposed to four with books of tables (another anachronism of course!).
At school in the 1960s, I had a book of 5-figure tables. But working on road schemes in the early-mid 1970s, we did our setting-out calculations using books of 7-figure tables, which were hardbacks about an inch and a half thick. We finally scrapped our last office copy in an office move around 2006.

I think in a previous discussion of slide rules we had it was decided they only had a relatively short life in secondary education. I’m 70 next birthday and of an age group who generally used slide rules at school, older people might have only used log tables , but we used both. Then with calculators appearing teaching slide rules stopped only a few years later.
Slide rules dropped out of use in the mid 1970s when they were supplanted by electronic calculators, but they'd been in use for many decades before that. Early ones were ivory so presumably were expensive, possibly too expensive for most children to own one of their own. My father inherited one such from my great uncle but sadly disposed of it before I knew of its existence.

I have a couple of dozen slide rules, mostly acquired in more recent times but including one that I bought on starting university in 1971.
 

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She may have been a computer. Back then a computer was a person who did complicated calculations for others. o_O
But who for and where? Possibly related to the services as she later went to work near Longtown/Gretna.

I know she was in the next street when a V-2 rocket blew up.
 
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Slide rules dropped out of use in the mid 1970s when they were supplanted by electronic calculators, but they'd been in use for many decades before that. Early ones were ivory so presumably were expensive, possibly too expensive for most children to own one of their own. My father inherited one such from my great uncle but sadly disposed of it before I knew of its existence.

I have a couple of dozen slide rules, mostly acquired in more recent times but including one that I bought on starting university in 1971.
I remember during my time at school we initially used the school’s devices, but were issued with our own slide rule in about 1967, but only because they’d finally become a reasonable price. But it was a much simpler version, (almost pocket sized and plain white), than those in the earlier photos. I used a much more complex slide rule (Thornton?) during my engineering apprenticeship, from 72-76 or so, but quickly replaced that with a calculator for most day to day purposes by about 1982 or so.
 
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Are you intimating that she might have been the target for the V2? (not that a V2 had anything that could be used to target)!
Hardly. V-1s and V-2s were fairly broadly aimed at everyone in London for terror reasons. Most probably got within 10-15 miles of central London. If they happened to damage anything of significance to the war effort it would have been a bonus.
 

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Hardly. V-1s and V-2s were fairly broadly aimed at everyone in London for terror reasons. Most probably got within 10-15 miles of central London. If they happened to damage anything of significance to the war effort it would have been a bonus.

We’re a long way off topic, but most fell short of London, thanks to the impact of a double agent (GARBO) - Juan Pujol - and his entirely fictonal network of sub agents. His story and that of other WWII double agents is well worth a read. There’s a decent page about him on the MI5 website.
 

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Do schools today still use the books of logarithms that were once de rigeur in any Mathematics class in secondary schools.
Almost certainly not. My younger cousins (who are in their 30s) have literally no idea what a log table is.
 

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Almost certainly not. My younger cousins (who are in their 30s) have literally no idea what a log table is.

I have never seen one, and have only ever been vaguely aware of their existence recently, and I started school in the mid 1970s.
 

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I have never seen one, and have only ever been vaguely aware of their existence recently, and I started school in the mid 1970s.
Mid 1970s....I would be celebrating my 30th birthday at that time and was married on 5th April 1975, the day before my 30th birthday...:p

The logarithm books we used had a strong cardboard cover and were about nine inches long by seven inches wide.

One "bright spark" of some 14 years of age, noting the opposing antilograthm tables asked the teacher if there were also "unclelogarithms" for which the teacher. entering into the spirit of the occasion, replied to the negative and the offender was to submit 100 lines stating "there are no such mathematical aids called "unclelogarithms" at the class on the following day. A good example of the punishment fitting the crime.
 

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Hardly. V-1s and V-2s were fairly broadly aimed at everyone in London for terror reasons. Most probably got within 10-15 miles of central London. If they happened to damage anything of significance to the war effort it would have been a bonus.
We’re a long way off topic, but most fell short of London, thanks to the impact of a double agent (GARBO) - Juan Pujol - and his entirely fictonal network of sub agents. His story and that of other WWII double agents is well worth a read. There’s a decent page about him on the MI5 website.
Dr R V Jones, in his book "Most Secret War" explains how the Germans were deceived into reducing the range of the V1s so they fell in less-populated parts of London.
 

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Dr R V Jones, in his book "Most Secret War" explains how the Germans were deceived into reducing the range of the V1s so they fell in less-populated parts of London.
Indeed. A good book.

My father lived with Dr Jones for a year in the 60s. Announced Sunday lunch by firing a starting pistol. Quite a character.
 

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It’s hard to comprehend that putting a man on the moon in 1969 was primarily the use of slide rules, logarithm’s & anti-logarithm’s.
 

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It’s hard to comprehend that putting a man on the moon in 1969 was primarily the use of slide rules, logarithm’s & anti-logarithm’s.
And a significant proportion of the digital computing power available to the US government at the time.
 

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It’s hard to comprehend that putting a man on the moon in 1969 was primarily the use of slide rules, logarithm’s & anti-logarithm’s.
More advanced computing was available.

Analogue computers for complex differential equations. They rarely get a mention in TV documentaries.
 

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I have never seen one, and have only ever been vaguely aware of their existence recently, and I started school in the mid 1970s.
I used a book of log tables in my first year or two at secondary school, which was from 1980. They were dropped not long after that. My maths teacher was approaching retirement so, he might have kept on using them from personal preference.
 

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I used a book of log tables in my first year or two at secondary school, which was from 1980. They were dropped not long after that. My maths teacher was approaching retirement so, he might have kept on using them from personal preference.
I used them in secondary school as well, in 1989/90. They were available to be used in our equivalent of O-levels (in 1992), but calculators were also allowed so you can guess what most of us chose to use. I believe we were one of the last years to be taught how to use log tables.
 

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Re: Slide Rule
Following this conversation I’ve been on the t’internet (Amazon) to find a slide rule similar to what I would have used back in the 1960’s/1970’s but with no success. I’m guessing they don’t exist any more?
 

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Re: Slide Rule
Following this conversation I’ve been on the t’internet (Amazon) to find a slide rule similar to what I would have used back in the 1960’s/1970’s but with no success. I’m guessing they don’t exist any more?
A few years ago, Faber Castell's German language website still had new, unused slide rules for sale, presumably stored since the 1970s, but I can't find such a link at present.

I have in the past bought them from this company, though I haven't looked at their current stock list in case I'm tempted again! You have to allow time for shipping from Canada, and depending on value, allow for import taxes.

 

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Getting your tonsils plus adenoids whipped out at the same time as a youngster at the first sign of tonsil trouble is less common these days.
 

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Getting your tonsils plus adenoids whipped out at the same time as a youngster at the first sign of tonsil trouble is less common these days.
Along the same line, though lower down the body, routine infant male circumcision has fortunately become much less common.
 

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A few years ago, Faber Castell's German language website still had new, unused slide rules for sale, presumably stored since the 1970s, but I can't find such a link at present.

I have in the past bought them from this company, though I haven't looked at their current stock list in case I'm tempted again! You have to allow time for shipping from Canada, and depending on value, allow for import taxes.

Think I'd better look after the one I pictured very carefully!!
 

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