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[43096]

Any reason for the 20? Can a 58 not couple directly to SVR coaching stock?

No, it can’t. SVR coaching stock is vacuum brake only, the Class 58 is air brake only, so it needs a dual brake loco to act as a translator between them.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Of course - why didn't I think of that?

In previous galas I 've been to modern traction (classes 56, 59, 60, 69, 70, 88) has worked with an airbraked aircon set, with a 47/7 or 37/4 on the other end to provide ETS. But I guess the 20 will have to be marshalled between the 58 and the carriages, involving some complicated shunting at Bridgnorth in the 32 minutes allowed.

 

[Wyrleybart]

Any reason for the 20? Can a 58 not couple directly to SVR coaching stock?

As said above the 20 translates the air brake on the 58 into vac for the train.
This suggests LSL will not be bringing any stock this year.

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Of course - why didn't I think of that?

In previous galas I 've been to modern traction (classes 56, 59, 60, 69, 70, 88) has worked with an airbraked aircon set, with a 47/7 or 37/4 on the other end to provide ETS. But I guess the 20 will have to be marshalled between the 58 and the carriages, involving some complicated shunting at Bridgnorth in the 32 minutes allowed.

A double run round is very achievable if you have a crew who know what they are doing. If you think of Bridgnorth the 58 runs of the stock into the neck, then drops back into the platform. The 20 does the same manouvre and couples to the 58 in the adjacent platform, then they carry on as normal

 

[JonathanH]

This suggests LSL will not be bringing any stock this year.

There is a big difference between the May event, with lots of visiting mainline locomotives, and the October event, which is meant to be more of a heritage event, so I don't think LSL were expected.

 

[norbitonflyer]

There is a big difference between the May event, with lots of visiting mainline locomotives, and the October event, which is meant to be more of a heritage event, so I don't think LSL were expected.

LSL were not present at the last Autumn gala. As I recall the only visitor was a Hymek (there were to have been three, but the WSR pair had a problem)

EDIT - I forgot, because the SVR has a resident one, that there was also a Warship visiting.

 

[norbitonflyer]

58023 and 20142 coupled up and ready for the off at Kidderminster.
.....and at Bewdley.

 

[47434]

Oh great, standing room only then

There were seats on Friday! Most enjoyable.

 

[DarloRich]

There were seats on Friday! Most enjoyable.

plenty of space on the Friday. Enjoyable run. I had forgotten how much power a 58 has. Rapid pull away from stations!

On the return working on the Saturday there did not seem to be a fair division of labour between the 58 and the 20. Almost as if the 58 was, erm, not working at all!

 

[Otis]

On Saturday 58023 had a few issues (according to info from the driver when we got back to Kiddy):

On arriving at Bridgnorth the loco was almost failed due to a coolant leak - it was a known issue, but turned out to be more serious than expected.

It was refilled with water at the turnaround and tried to complete the return working, only the 20 ended up doing most, if not all, of the work from Highley/Arley onwards.

 

[norbitonflyer]

The run I had on the Friday (from Kiddermister to Bewdley only, as I had to get home to London for an evening commitment) the 58 seemed to be working well. I was some way back as all the windows in the first three carriages had been taken, but that did mean the sound of the 20 didn't completely drown out the 58, as it would have done for those closer to the action. Nevertheless, it did seem a pity that something a little bit quieter couldn't have been used as a brake translator.

I was surprised at the behaviour of the antelopes in the safari park - they usually ignore the trains completely, but something about the 58/20 combo spooked them and they stampeded across the park.

 

[kje7812]

The run I had on the Friday (from Kiddermister to Bewdley only, as I had to get home to London for an evening commitment) the 58 seemed to be working well. I was some way back as all the windows in the first three carriages had been taken, but that did mean the sound of the 20 didn't completely drown out the 58, as it would have done for those closer to the action. Nevertheless, it did seem a pity that something a little bit quieter couldn't have been used as a brake translator.

I was surprised at the behaviour of the antelopes in the safari park - they usually ignore the trains completely, but something about the 58/20 combo spooked them and they stampeded across the park.

Due to weight restrictions, only the 20s, the class 14 and 17 would be able to double head with the 58. I don't think the 14 has air brakes though I may be mistaken.

 

[DarloRich]

I was surprised at the behaviour of the antelopes in the safari park - they usually ignore the trains completely, but something about the 58/20 combo spooked them and they stampeded across the park.

they had never seen such a machine and assumed it was Bonio the destroyer of worlds come to consume them.

 

[norbitonflyer]

they had never seen such a machine and assumed it was Bonio the destroyer of worlds come to consume them.

It had been on a number of test runs so I don't think it was that!

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Due to weight restrictions, only the 20s, the class 14 and 17 would be able to double head with the 58. I don't think the 14 has air brakes though I may be mistaken.

The 14 was hors de combat anyway - the 17 covering its scheduled runs.

 

[31160]

So how many galas will it be doing next year do we think?? I have to admit it would be fantastic to have it in a pair with a 56 again

 

[D365]

So how many galas will it be doing next year do we think?? I have to admit it would be fantastic to have it in a pair with a 56 again

That would required air brake coaches as Class 56s never had vacuum brakes either.

 

[31160]

That would required air brake coaches as Class 56s never had vacuum brakes either.

Yeah but some lines have either dual braked sets or air only off the top of my head the ELR and WSR also a hst could be used as a hauled rake

 

[norbitonflyer]

Yeah but some lines have either dual braked sets or air only off the top of my head the ELR and WSR also a hst could be used as a hauled rake

HST would be a problem, as would any aircon stock, as neither a 56 nor a 58 have ETS. The SVR have got round it before by an airbraked aircon set top and tailed - with a modern loco (56/57/59/60/69/70/88) one end, 47/7 or 37/4.

Having a 56 and 58 coupled together might be a weight problem as well - that's why the 58 could double head with nothing heavier than a 20. Don't want them to end up in the Severn!

 

[156444]

So how many galas will it be doing next year do we think?? I have to admit it would be fantastic to have it in a pair with a 56 again

In the latest edition of Railways Illustrated (November 2024, page 24), it is stated that the 58 is planned to stay at the Severn Valley Railway until the Spring Diesel Gala in May 2025, that it should be appearing at the Winter Diesel Day on 30 December 2024 and it will be used for footplate experience courses.

 

[xotGD]

HST would be a problem, as would any aircon stock, as neither a 56 nor a 58 have ETS. The SVR have got round it before by an airbraked aircon set top and tailed - with a modern loco (56/57/59/60/69/70/88) one end, 47/7 or 37/4.

Having a 56 and 58 coupled together might be a weight problem as well - that's why the 58 could double head with nothing heavier than a 20. Don't want them to end up in the Severn!

They should put an 86 inside the 58 for a full Nuneaton drags experience.

 

[31160]

They should put an 86 inside the 58 for a full Nuneaton drags experience.

Now that is funny