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The first part of what follows is what I’ve heard from others, and the second is an account of recent experiences by my wife and myself.

I organise reunion events for people I was at school with. Earlier this year we had a lunch in central London, about five minutes’ walk from Bank Underground Station. One potential participant, who lives in Norwich, said he couldn’t take part because the trains were so unreliable. I know that he would probably have got from Norwich to Liverpool Street and back without difficulty, but he has heard so many stories about train travel problems that he wouldn’t chance it.

The wife of another former school friend died a few months ago. The cremation was at Mill Hill in NW London; the nearest tube station is Mill Hill East. I wasn’t sure if I could get there on that particular day; my friend said “I wouldn’t expect you to,” meaning that the journey was too much of an expedition into the unexpected for me to risk it. Actually it’s straightforward: SWR Whitchurch to Waterloo, just over an hour, the Northern Line to Mill Hill East, and about a fifteen-minute walk.

How many people, I wonder, are put off travelling by train because they’ve heard of strikes, delays and cancellations, and decide that the whole thing is too risky to contemplate.

Now here is our recent experience. My wife and I join a group of friends that I used to work with for a few days away each autumn. This year we went to Chester.

On Tuesday 8th October my wife and I travelled from Whitchurch to Chester via London. 10.14 Whitchurch to Waterloo was on time, and our tickets were checked. Waterloo to Euston went smoothly. 12.35 Euston to Crewe was fine (11-car Pendolino), though there was no ticket check except to get onto the platform at Euston. We should have got the 14.21 TfW service from Crewe to Chester, which would have been a couple of minutes late, but the Class 197 on the service developed a gearbox fault. Eventually the guard announced that they were shutting the train down and would restart it. This operation took nearly fifteen minutes. The fault was sorted out but the guard announced that the 14.21 had now been cancelled, and the train would form the 15.21 instead. As the train shuttles back and forth between Crewe and Chester this was probably the right decision. There should have been an Avanti service, 13.02 from Euston to Chester, to which we could have transferred at Crewe at 14.45, but this had been cancelled. So we sat in the Class 197 for over an hour. I can understand why the guard chose not to check tickets.

On Thursday our group planned to travel from Chester to Llandudno for the day. We boarded the 10.13 Avanti service (2 x Super Voyagers), and sat in it till about 11.30. This was because of a signal fault in the Llandudno area, we were told, and when it was fixed at about 11.10 we had to wait for the congestion ahead to clear. No ticket checks, but perhaps the guard stayed in the other unit. Arrival at Llandudno (change at Llandudno Junction) was at about 13.05.

The plan was to walk to the tramway station and ascend the Great Orme. My wife didn’t feel well and decided to return to Llandudno railway station and wait for me there. At about 16.00 she texted me to say that it had been announced that the 16.12 from Llandudno would be the last train for the next three hours, so she would catch that and return to Chester. But when that train came into Llandudno it was announced that its trip out had been cancelled, and a bus would be provided instead. The nine people waiting for the train went outside to wait for the bus, but some who had previously experienced cancellations said the bus might not come. After some time it hadn’t appeared, so she got a taxi (£11) to Llandudno Junction. There, the 16.40 train to Chester was 25 minutes late. My wife spent the time thinking up several alternative words for the abbreviation TfW, none of them fit to be included here.

Having received the news about the gap in trains from Llandudno, I got the bus to Llandudno Junction (£4, as my English bus pass wasn’t valid). The 17.23 was on time and tickets were checked regularly.

Coming back home on Friday, the 1032 Avanti service from Chester to Euston (2 x 805) was almost fifteen minutes late by the end of the journey. Tickets were checked. The rest of our trip went as planned, though there was no ticket check on SWR.

I’m sure our experiences during the past few days were particularly unlucky. But anyone who is not a regular train traveller and said “Why don’t we go by train this time?” would be unlikely to choose the train again. The norm for train travel ought to be that the train runs and does so on time. Ticket checking should occur on every journey of any length; none of the trains on which we travelled was congested enough to make walking through it difficult. I can work out what to do when things go wrong, and identify alternatives or recognise when there are none. Many passengers won’t easily be able to do that, especially if they are travelling with children. It’s no good talking about modal shift when train travel offers the likelihood of things going wrong, or that’s what everyone else tells you. There’s a lot that those who work on the railway need to do to put these things right, and they won’t just happen as a result of creating GBR.
 
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I think the biggest reputational risk to railways is how badly people can be treated when things go wrong, and also over ticketing matters. Numerous train companies seem to want to mistreat their customers and want people to fear them. They appear to be keen to deter people from travelling with them.
 

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It's not just trains it is public transport across the board, just look at how people have taken to Ulez & bus lanes/gates. It gets certain drivers frothing at the mouth. The issue with the railways is when they go wrong they go spectacularly wrong and when all you see is "delay" on a screen of course anxiety is gonna be on the rise. I've had a occasion a couple months back now explaining that there was a fatality that morning and you could see the switch from anger at lateness to the understanding but still being a bit annoyed.
 

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It's not just trains it is public transport across the board, just look at how people have taken to Ulez & bus lanes/gates. It gets certain drivers frothing at the mouth.
Or just any form of travel whatsoever: driving has plenty of frequent problems around traffic jams, cost of fuel, roadworks, etc. Cycling the perception from many motorists is they are inconsiderate and are annoyed at their slower speed or not using cycle lanes (that are full of potholes and debris), especially when overtaking isn't possible. Even walking, if you're a fast walker like me, getting stuck behind groups of slower walkers gets on my nerves.

While negative perception of railways is probably quite prominent, it would be useful to see it in relative terms compared to other forms of transport.
 

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Part of the problem at times is down to the attitude of the TOCs themselves. Recently, while waiting at Doncaster for the 0721 to Sheffield, dud to 2 separate signalling issues, the line to Kirk Sandall was shut. TPE cancelled the 0640 and 0741 from Doncaster, resulting in 3 train loads of people in the delayed 0721....
 

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Trains in general get a bad press in this country for reliability. A family friend does a lot of long distance travelling (with a van - not practical to do via public transport) and it is common for 3hour journeys to take double that. It is very rare to get delayed more than an hour or two on the train. I do cardiff london most weeks for nearly 2 years, with the GWML in its less than reliabile condition and even still I've only had 2 delay repays over 2hours - one for a fatality, one for infrastructure problems. If I drove this (which I would never do) I would expect 2hour+ delays most evenings.
 

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When the railway works, it works brilliantly, allowing passengers to move quickly, safely and comfortably from A to B.

But...

When it goes wrong, it can go wrong spectacularly. Point in question, look at the points failure just north of Lancaster Station a few weeks back; several trains trains were backed up going into and out of the station from north and south as the points were in the overlap of a signal. As a result of these delays, many passengers for London were abandoned at New St as the service closed down for the usual Saturday night T3s; to reiterate, that's passengers (Potentially vulnerable, elderly or parents with small kids) abandoned in a porentiallyunfamiliar city, without any forward transport, hotel bookings and, by many accounts, few if any staff to assist after midnight. This is a frankly appalling way to treat paying customers. It is unacceptable to assume that all passengers have a smart phone to make alternative arrangements, or have the means to pay for such arrangements at short notice.

Far too often when it goes wrong, the default setting seems to be to "cover our arse and try to reapportion blame" and to Hell with assisting or informing passengers that are seriously disrupted as a result.
 

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I think it's the not being in control that worries people so much. Journeys by road are so much more variable than rail, but because you can (mostly) turn off and take a different route, or just stop and have a coffee it doesn't seem so bad as when you are sat on a train with limited information. I use long distance trains regularly and have done at least monthly for the last thirty years and I have never been more than a couple of hours delayed. Yes there are horror stories, but the same applies to road, and air travel
 

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Perhaps the question should be the "Publics expectation of the Railway"
In most cases the expectation and the reality don't match up.
 
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I witnessed a flip side to "it's never that bad" this week. Mother + 2 young kids arrived at Cranbrook to find the hourly service to Exeter had been cancelled. The found themselves stuck on an amenity less station, in relative cold, for just over an hour. "Next time I'll just take the bus, this keeps happening". Similarly I've been stranded in Looe after the last 2 trains were cancelled and getting clarity on how we'd get out was...challenging.

When the railway works, it's good. But it is very, very very bad at handling customer information on delays and disruption.
 

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The first part of what follows is what I’ve heard from others, and the second is an account of recent experiences by my wife and myself.

I organise reunion events for people I was at school with. Earlier this year we had a lunch in central London, about five minutes’ walk from Bank Underground Station. One potential participant, who lives in Norwich, said he couldn’t take part because the trains were so unreliable. I know that he would probably have got from Norwich to Liverpool Street and back without difficulty, but he has heard so many stories about train travel problems that he wouldn’t chance it.

Especially considering GA is the most reliable operator, although there have to be fair been lots of weekend closures.
 

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I'm surprised nobody has brought up the question of cost and affordability into the mix.
 

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I'm surprised nobody has brought up the question of cost and affordability into the mix.
Yes. And that’s before you get into the cramped/ less than comfortable seats and possibility of sharing your journey with anti social or alcohol fuelled other passengers that can make the experience less than pleasant on occasion.

But on occasion it can still be more pleasant than driving, especially if you are the actual driver.
 

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Yes. And that’s before you get into the cramped/ less than comfortable seats and possibility of sharing your journey with anti social or alcohol fuelled other passengers that can make the experience less than pleasant on occasion.

But on occasion it can still be more pleasant than driving, especially if you are the actual driver.
Was asked the other day by family member if I could provide discounted tickets Manchester to Edinburgh......I simply told them to drive it as the trains are just not reliable.
 

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I gave up using the railway system years ago. Despite all of the advertising hype there isn't any customer service, it's ridiculously overpriced, unreliable due to no resilience whatsoever, the ticketing is byzantine in complication and if you misunderstand one of the rules you are criminalised.
 

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Especially considering GA is the most reliable operator, although there have to be fair been lots of weekend closures.
It's a prime version of perception vs reality, reality is I've used the train from Norwich to London once a week for nearly 2 years and had 2 delays of 10mins and 1 were the line was blocked due to person hit by a train. Fortunately the latter incident was the train terminated at diss so just got the wife to drive a bit further to pick me up. Having said that, if it was further down the line it would have been a bigger problem as there is very limited options, hotel or replacement bus if one can be arranged.

Biggest issue is when a line is blocked you are pretty much stuck and the other issues is that if the line is blocked for 2 hours it's not like trains queue up and go once the line is clear, theres all sorts of cancellation Shenanigans going on and that makes passengers nervous about getting home.
 

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I gave up using the railway system years ago. Despite all of the advertising hype there isn't any customer service, it's ridiculously overpriced, unreliable due to no resilience whatsoever, the ticketing is byzantine in complication and if you misunderstand one of the rules you are criminalised.
This is a common view I hear from non- or very infrequent rail users. Particularly price is the big issue. A lot give up on the railway when considering taking a medium/long distance journey, type it in to NRE or Trainline, get quoted a walk up fare (even off peak) and think never again.

Now we have the added negative that criminialisation of minor mistakes is in the public mind. While that may have always been law, I doubt the man on the street would have known it was a crime until now.

A lack of knowledge (interest?) in the rules among staff is an issue. I find an ungated, unstaffed station provides the best customer service, not because I want to evade fares but because I don't want to have to argue with an agency worker from On Trak over break of journey or restriction codes.
 

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Travelled Norwich to Wales last weekend (via London) then Norwich to Scotland (via London again) on Tuesday returning yesterday via the Settle & Carlisle, Leeds & Peterborough as well as copious amounts of suburban trains around Glasgow and SW Scotland and there where only two delays one of 28mins the other of 16. Apart from that everything has been spot on or a minute or two early. Most noticeable however is how well loaded all trains have been especially the longer distance ones. Only twice did I have to stand but not for any more than 20 minutes.

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Ticket checks were frequent and staff on the whole extremely friendly and always polite.
 

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I guess though that the perception is always worse than the reality. One of my own potential fears when I moved over to EMR from London Overground , was that I might get stuck/delayed up North , rather than just across London. However despite the fact that I get the train to London and home again and drive them from St Pancras to wherever and back again I'm rarely delayed really. Other than a few minutes here or there i have been back to London between 30 minutes and 1 hour late on 3 occasions and can count on one hand the total cancellations . Of course there are other times but on trains either before or after I travel or on my days off . But to only be delayed a handful of times in 3 years when I have probably made over a thousand journeys is frankly miniscule.
 

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My travel is exclusively for leisure, so predominantly weekends. The amount of short notice cancellations (especially Sundays here in the North West) is incredibly frustrating for someone who is enthusiastic about rail travel like me, so for those who would rarely if ever consider it, it’s a complete turn-off.
 

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The fact the railways are run for their benefit .The customers are at best an inconvenience and "the enemy" at worse. If you have brought the wrong ticket by mistake, you are by default a "fare dodger" and therefore the enemy and treated accordingly. Heaven help you if you are old, disabled or have a pushchair.
 

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Or just any form of travel whatsoever: driving has plenty of frequent problems around traffic jams, cost of fuel, roadworks, etc.
Here in the Fens that's definitely the case. One day last week I tried a 2 mile bus journey in the evening peak that took nearly an hour. If I had been sufficiently able it would literally have been quicker to walk.

Recently I have heard two separate stories from people who had been on Mediterranean holidays where the return flights were cancelled, leading to delays of more than 24 hours.

Whatever the mode of transport, lots of people feel that they "need" to make journeys. That must be happening on the railways to generate the overcrowding issues at, for example, Euston and St Pancras.

I think the biggest reputational risk to railways is how badly people can be treated when things go wrong
I agree with this. The two return flight cancellation stories were very different. One had a tour rep who sorted out the hotel and transfers, the other was left to fend for themselves. In my travelling lifetime the railway has gone from being one of the former to one of the latter.

Young people only remember being left to fend for themselves, but older people remember when the railway regarded it as a duty to get you to the end of your journey. For lots of people, including me, the removal of this "safety net" is a significant deterrent to travel. I never plan to be still travelling after 2000, to give a big margin for delays. One of the advantages of living in the Fens is that we have 2 routes to/from London, the only single point of failure is the bit north of where the two routes join at Shepreth Branch Junction, last time that happened it was a nightmare!

I organise reunion events for people I was at school with. Earlier this year we had a lunch in central London, about five minutes’ walk from Bank Underground Station. One potential participant, who lives in Norwich, said he couldn’t take part because the trains were so unreliable. I know that he would probably have got from Norwich to Liverpool Street and back without difficulty, but he has heard so many stories about train travel problems that he wouldn’t chance it.
Given the above I'm not at all surprised at this anecdote, and I would make the same decision. I do use the Great Eastern Main Line occasionally: of 5 journeys so far in 2024, 2 have involved significant delays. One of them involved a £50+ taxi to get me home, at my own expense, lots of people aren't in the financial position to be able to do that.

My travel is exclusively for leisure, so predominantly weekends
I completely avoid weekend rail travel, the service is too unreliable.

Now we have the added negative that criminialisation of minor mistakes is in the public mind.

Ticketing for long distance journeys is Kafkaesque. The railway has created a "hostile environment" where staff are required to be confrontational with people who they should be treating as customers. I no longer make long distance journeys as a result. Almost all of my journeys are within what used to be the Network SouthEast area, using off peak flexible tickets.
 

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I agree the railway has created a hostile environment that, from a customers perspective, seems to be ran by thugs, who seem to have zero humility or imagination and treat customers, who pay their wages, as cash cows.

Sadly I have to use the railways two/three times a week for long distance journeys, which I have to use split tickets for, otherwise I wouldn't be able to justify the expense, and would be forced to drive, which I really don't want to do from an environmental perspective.

I also travel quite a lot by train in mainland Europe, and have made mistakes, but I've never been met with the same horrible experience I get in the UK - mostly guards just laugh, and say don't worry about minor errors such as getting on a train before the one I should have been on.

I really think that the railway is at risk of doing itself out of trade, as most people I know genuinely fear travelling by train in the UK due to the attitude of staff, and unreliability. If this happens then I think the railway only has itself to blame.
 

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I use SouthEastern for leisure and the service has been fine.

Of course things go wrong (as others have said that happens on the roads too). Sadly it's quite often when a person has gone under a train. There is one particular local black spot.

I'm lucky enough to have quite a few alternative routes home if I'm coming back from London. HS1 via Dover, Canterbury West or Faversham. Charing X line Dover or Canterbury West. Victoria line via Faversham

I used to commute (fully accept it was quite a few years ago) from Lewisham and then Ramsgate - and again without many prolems.

My friends split between car only and public transport only. For those who have lived in this area a long tine it's a habit -AIUI - the local bus service wasn't that good. It is now, mind but they just think car when travelling

A couple of them use trains for some longer/London/airport journeys and I've never heard them complain

Indeed one went to Rye yesterday. When she and her friend got to Ashford their train was cancelled. A replacement bus was provided and she enjoyed it. They had front seats upstairs and took in the countryside, etc. She said the bus was only about twenty minutes later than the train would have been
 

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I do use the Great Eastern Main Line occasionally: of 5 journeys so far in 2024, 2 have involved significant delays. One of them involved a £50+ taxi to get me home, at my own expense, lots of people aren't in the financial position to be able to do that.
You must have had some very bad luck. I drive trains on the GEML between Norwich and Liverpool Street several times a week and could count on one hand the times I have been significantly delayed so far this year.

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The service and route has had record punctuality in recent times.
 

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Sometimes I encounter people who think that things are better in Europe. I've just got back from Vienna. The worst delay I had on the British side of the Channel was seven minutes. On the continent however two sleepers were cancelled (in advance) and one of the alternatives was cancelled with six hours notice. So I ended up on a series of ICEs, only one of which ran on time, the worst was 2h29m late. The one sleeper that did run was more than an hour late.
 

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The first part of what follows is what I’ve heard from others, and the second is an account of recent experiences by my wife and myself.

I organise reunion events for people I was at school with. Earlier this year we had a lunch in central London, about five minutes’ walk from Bank Underground Station. One potential participant, who lives in Norwich, said he couldn’t take part because the trains were so unreliable. I know that he would probably have got from Norwich to Liverpool Street and back without difficulty, but he has heard so many stories about train travel problems that he wouldn’t chance it.

The wife of another former school friend died a few months ago. The cremation was at Mill Hill in NW London; the nearest tube station is Mill Hill East. I wasn’t sure if I could get there on that particular day; my friend said “I wouldn’t expect you to,” meaning that the journey was too much of an expedition into the unexpected for me to risk it. Actually it’s straightforward: SWR Whitchurch to Waterloo, just over an hour, the Northern Line to Mill Hill East, and about a fifteen-minute walk.

How many people, I wonder, are put off travelling by train because they’ve heard of strikes, delays and cancellations, and decide that the whole thing is too risky to contemplate.

Now here is our recent experience. My wife and I join a group of friends that I used to work with for a few days away each autumn. This year we went to Chester.

On Tuesday 8th October my wife and I travelled from Whitchurch to Chester via London. 10.14 Whitchurch to Waterloo was on time, and our tickets were checked. Waterloo to Euston went smoothly. 12.35 Euston to Crewe was fine (11-car Pendolino), though there was no ticket check except to get onto the platform at Euston. We should have got the 14.21 TfW service from Crewe to Chester, which would have been a couple of minutes late, but the Class 197 on the service developed a gearbox fault. Eventually the guard announced that they were shutting the train down and would restart it. This operation took nearly fifteen minutes. The fault was sorted out but the guard announced that the 14.21 had now been cancelled, and the train would form the 15.21 instead. As the train shuttles back and forth between Crewe and Chester this was probably the right decision. There should have been an Avanti service, 13.02 from Euston to Chester, to which we could have transferred at Crewe at 14.45, but this had been cancelled. So we sat in the Class 197 for over an hour. I can understand why the guard chose not to check tickets.

On Thursday our group planned to travel from Chester to Llandudno for the day. We boarded the 10.13 Avanti service (2 x Super Voyagers), and sat in it till about 11.30. This was because of a signal fault in the Llandudno area, we were told, and when it was fixed at about 11.10 we had to wait for the congestion ahead to clear. No ticket checks, but perhaps the guard stayed in the other unit. Arrival at Llandudno (change at Llandudno Junction) was at about 13.05.

The plan was to walk to the tramway station and ascend the Great Orme. My wife didn’t feel well and decided to return to Llandudno railway station and wait for me there. At about 16.00 she texted me to say that it had been announced that the 16.12 from Llandudno would be the last train for the next three hours, so she would catch that and return to Chester. But when that train came into Llandudno it was announced that its trip out had been cancelled, and a bus would be provided instead. The nine people waiting for the train went outside to wait for the bus, but some who had previously experienced cancellations said the bus might not come. After some time it hadn’t appeared, so she got a taxi (£11) to Llandudno Junction. There, the 16.40 train to Chester was 25 minutes late. My wife spent the time thinking up several alternative words for the abbreviation TfW, none of them fit to be included here.

Having received the news about the gap in trains from Llandudno, I got the bus to Llandudno Junction (£4, as my English bus pass wasn’t valid). The 17.23 was on time and tickets were checked regularly.

Coming back home on Friday, the 1032 Avanti service from Chester to Euston (2 x 805) was almost fifteen minutes late by the end of the journey. Tickets were checked. The rest of our trip went as planned, though there was no ticket check on SWR.

I’m sure our experiences during the past few days were particularly unlucky. But anyone who is not a regular train traveller and said “Why don’t we go by train this time?” would be unlikely to choose the train again. The norm for train travel ought to be that the train runs and does so on time. Ticket checking should occur on every journey of any length; none of the trains on which we travelled was congested enough to make walking through it difficult. I can work out what to do when things go wrong, and identify alternatives or recognise when there are none. Many passengers won’t easily be able to do that, especially if they are travelling with children. It’s no good talking about modal shift when train travel offers the likelihood of things going wrong, or that’s what everyone else tells you. There’s a lot that those who work on the railway need to do to put these things right, and they won’t just happen as a result of creating GBR.

While it’s noted that the OP has had some bad luck on their personal journeys recently, it’s a little difficult to get a sense of what is being proclaimed, or asked, by the above. Is the suggestion that the railway delivers a poor experience? If so, the evidence seems to be purely anecdotal. Are there any official figures of the public’s perception of the railway, how it has changed over time etc.?

It’s notable that one of the OP’s complaints is a lack of ticket checks, yet it has also been suggested that ticketing issues pose a reputational risk, and another user actively prefers unstaffed and ungated stations, so there’s a clear tension between those positions.

Equally it is clear from other threads that many users on here want trains to be held for connections, or held for arbitrary lengths of time in platforms “just in case” someone is making a connection, so those demands conflict directly with the OP’s wish for trains to run on time!

There are plenty of figures to show passenger numbers are once again growing strongly, and our railway is one of the most intensively used in the world. So it could be convincingly argued that the railway needn't be concerned about improving its image further, given those stats.

I gave up using the railway system years ago. Despite all of the advertising hype there isn't any customer service, it's ridiculously overpriced, unreliable due to no resilience whatsoever, the ticketing is byzantine in complication and if you misunderstand one of the rules you are criminalised.

With respect, if you gave up using the railway years ago, you’re not in a very good position to comment on what it’s like now!

Travelled Norwich to Wales last weekend (via London) then Norwich to Scotland (via London again) on Tuesday returning yesterday via the Settle & Carlisle, Leeds & Peterborough as well as copious amounts of suburban trains around Glasgow and SW Scotland and there where only two delays one of 28mins the other of 16. Apart from that everything has been spot on or a minute or two early. Most noticeable however is how well loaded all trains have been especially the longer distance ones. Only twice did I have to stand but not for any more than 20 minutes.

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Ticket checks were frequent and staff on the whole extremely friendly and always polite.

Generally my experience too! I suspect the general (hugely negative) perception on here is not at all representative of “normal” users.

Sometimes I encounter people who think that things are better in Europe. I've just got back from Vienna. The worst delay I had on the British side of the Channel was seven minutes. On the continent however two sleepers were cancelled (in advance) and one of the alternatives was cancelled with six hours notice. So I ended up on a series of ICEs, only one of which ran on time, the worst was 2h29m late. The one sleeper that did run was more than an hour late.

I was on a train in Sicily a few weeks ago, and the train to the airport rolled back twice and stopped short once, all in one journey. In UK terms that’s three more incidents in one trip than I’ve had in nearly ten years :).
 
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Given the above I'm not at all surprised at this anecdote, and I would make the same decision. I do use the Great Eastern Main Line occasionally: of 5 journeys so far in 2024, 2 have involved significant delays. One of them involved a £50+ taxi to get me home, at my own expense, lots of people aren't in the financial position to be able to do that.

You have been exceptionally unlikely then if that is the case. There have been a few really big incidents in 2024, but it’s either that or smooth running. There isn’t residual disruption and no noticeable crew issues unlikely many other operators.
My travel is exclusively for leisure, so predominantly weekends. The amount of short notice cancellations (especially Sundays here in the North West) is incredibly frustrating for someone who is enthusiastic about rail travel like me, so for those who would rarely if ever consider it, it’s a complete turn-off.
I completely avoid weekend rail travel, the service is too unreliable.

The issue is weekends are hugely operator variant, which isn’t really a good look to the irregular user. If they work well somewhere else it doesn’t make sense to them that on another part of their journey there’s cancellations, short-formations and they have to stand for an hour. Of course engineering works don’t help, although this does occur on the road network - although less so and normally manageable.

Regular commuters can be a bit more jaded but actually get a slightly more representative view of the reality of service. However the railway as an industry still in many ways treats the weekend as an “extra” which isn’t helpful too anyone.

For instance I actively tell people to try and avoid GWR and Northern on a Sunday.
 

geoffk

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At a slightly lower level of annoyance, there's the never-ending safety and security announcements on trains and stations (and signs on stations - GWR's favourite at present is a large sign at the top of stairs stating "ACCIDENT BLACKSPOT, please hold the handrail"). These all help to create the impression that using the railway is inherently risky. The continental experience is completely different. I used a SWR train just from Exeter St. Davids to Central yesterday and there was no "welcome to SWR" type announcement, just warnings about having the right ticket and what would happen if you tried to use the wrong one, and not tolerating assaults on staff (not that they should of course but is it really necessary to "welcome" passengers in this way?)
 
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I think it's really sad.

I've always enjoyed train travel and I still do when things come together but that's so rarely the case. I've said previously that when I visit close friends near Reading (probably around four times per year) my enjoyment in spending time with them is always tempered by having to constantly monitor what's happening in relation to the various train connections I need to make in order to get home (Aldermaston-Reading, Reading- Paddington, Euston-Penrith). Yes, I know I could go via Wolverhampton on a XC train rather than via Euston but that's such a horrendous and stressful journey (both because you're lucky if you can squeeze onto the train as well as worrying whether you'll be delayed and not make the connection at Wolverhampton or Birmingham) that I've given up on it. At least if you travel via Euston you know the train starts there and (on a good day) goes all the way to Penrith. Even so, there's almost invariably a problem somewhere and often a significant one. My (lovely) husband has had to rescue me from Preston more than once and I've certainly had to come up with ingenious diversions to make it back. That's why I bite the bullet and always purchase a straight standard return rather than try to get the price down. At least that way I have as many available options as possible rather than running the risk of being fined or prosecuted (or whatever) by catching an alternative train.

To be honest, the only stress-free part of the journey is the walk between Paddington and Euston (I much prefer the walk to the tube).

I've completely given up on local train travel and these days I always drive if I'm just going to Carlisle.

Like I say, such a shame.
 
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