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But, it’s often still cheaper overall than the same meal served in a restaurant with drinks, parking, staff tips and so on, plus it saves the time and effort of getting ready to go out and means you can sit in your own cumfy lounge and watch a box set etc. There’s also drinks; the price of alcohol has gone stratospheric in recent years, and if you can buy yourself a week or two’s supply of beers for about the same price as two or three would cost you in a restaurant, that makes a big difference.

I very much enjoy a proper, sit-down curry, but I have them delivered far more frequently than I go to a curry house!
Interestingly, Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats are loss-making or barely profitable despite taking a cut from the restaurant, charging the customer and paying the drivers a pittance. It will be interesting to see how patient the shareholders are.
 
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Interestingly, Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats are loss-making or barely profitable despite taking a cut from the restaurant, charging the customer and paying the drivers a pittance. It will be interesting to see how patient the shareholders are.

This investor doesn't touch those companies with the proverbial bargepole.
 

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The crazy thing these days is many people would rather pay Deliveroo an inflated menu charge plus £5 delivery plus service charge for a luke warm takeaway rather than make the effort to visit a sit down restaurant!
Yes, it’s insane what people will use Deliveroo or just eat for. Supermarket orders of fags and booze, a portion of fish and chips from a takeaway 3 minutes walk away etc. their cyclists are a menace riding around like a swarm of wasps through pedestrianised streets or the wrong way down a one way street etc.

Another example of the laziness and want it now culture that’s destroying society.
I very much enjoy a proper, sit-down curry, but I have them delivered far more frequently than I go to a curry house!
Nothing wrong with this of course, but if your curry restaurant or takeaway of choice have their own delivery service available we should all use that. ALL the money goes to the establishment and not the Delivery investors sat in the middle skimming off 15% for doing nothing. Unfortunately, people would much rather pay just Eat a tenner than phone their local takeaway which makes me very sad for local businesses.

If on the other hand the delivery companies are a route to increase business and if the takeaway would never have managed their own delivery service, it’s fine to use them too. Just Eat Ethically. As for McDonald’s, Starbucks, KFC etc, if you pay a fiver delivery for an 8 quid meal deal then you need your head tested.

Look after your local businesses and they’ll look after you!
 

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Sadly, we’ve given up on eating out except for carvery Sunday roasts.

Pub and restaurant menus are derivative and predictable - sea bass, steak, burger, fish and chips, a ‘pie’ that’s actually a casserole with a lid (grrr), and a veggie dish.

Portion sizes have become laughable too. A picture from a local eatery shows six beautifully arranged chips in a tiny bowl. Do I photograph them or eat them?

Finally, when even a very expensive steak house bearing the name of a world famous chef puts a tough, inedible steak in front of me (and many others according to reviews) the ‘bleeding obvious’ is that we are better cooks at home than many supposed ‘chefs’. Sad.
 

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But, it’s often still cheaper overall than the same meal served in a restaurant with drinks, parking, staff tips and so on, plus it saves the time and effort of getting ready to go out and means you can sit in your own cumfy lounge and watch a box set etc. There’s also drinks; the price of alcohol has gone stratospheric in recent years, and if you can buy yourself a week or two’s supply of beers for about the same price as two or three would cost you in a restaurant, that makes a big difference.

I very much enjoy a proper, sit-down curry, but I have them delivered far more frequently than I go to a curry house!
This is what I have noticed decades ago. I aim for a curry house that does not have a drinks licence (not always successfully). Not only do I get to buy my booze cheaper but I can buy what I want to drink. An added bonus is most restaurants that have no drinks licence seem to cook better and cheaper meals - to try to make themselves attractive I suppose.

TBF - since Covid I have not eaten out as much and definitely don't drink as much so its all a bit moot now.
Yes, it’s insane what people will use Deliveroo or just eat for. Supermarket orders of fags and booze, a portion of fish and chips from a takeaway 3 minutes walk away etc. their cyclists are a menace riding around like a swarm of wasps through pedestrianised streets or the wrong way down a one way street etc.

Another example of the laziness and want it now culture that’s destroying society.

Nothing wrong with this of course, but if your curry restaurant or takeaway of choice have their own delivery service available we should all use that. ALL the money goes to the establishment and not the Delivery investors sat in the middle skimming off 15% for doing nothing. Unfortunately, people would much rather pay just Eat a tenner than phone their local takeaway which makes me very sad for local businesses.

If on the other hand the delivery companies are a route to increase business and if the takeaway would never have managed their own delivery service, it’s fine to use them too. Just Eat Ethically. As for McDonald’s, Starbucks, KFC etc, if you pay a fiver delivery for an 8 quid meal deal then you need your head tested.

Look after your local businesses and they’ll look after you!
Best story I had was a cycle delivery guy telling me that he had delivered a McDonalds to a 3rd floor flat NEXT-DOOR to the McDonalds he collected from !.

I told that story one time to a taxi driver who then told me he had delivered a meal from Pizza Hut (iirc) to the hotel right next door !. For me I would want to get out of my hotel room.

I suppose the customers time is too valuable or they are too lazy.
Sadly, we’ve given up on eating out except for carvery Sunday roasts.

Pub and restaurant menus are derivative and predictable - sea bass, steak, burger, fish and chips, a ‘pie’ that’s actually a casserole with a lid (grrr), and a veggie dish.

Portion sizes have become laughable too. A picture from a local eatery shows six beautifully arranged chips in a tiny bowl. Do I photograph them or eat them?

Finally, when even a very expensive steak house bearing the name of a world famous chef puts a tough, inedible steak in front of me (and many others according to reviews) the ‘bleeding obvious’ is that we are better cooks at home than many supposed ‘chefs’. Sad.
Winding the clock back further. The vast majority of people used to NEVER eat out back in the 1950s (maybe 1960s). My grandmother never did. How we have progressed from not cooking our own food (restaurants but also ready meals I suppose) to not even going out to eat or get the meal !.

I wonder if there is a way deliveroo could deliver and administer the weight loss injections featured in the news these days.

People really seem to have lost sight of feeling independent and capable. But then when is the last time many of us humans went out and slaughtered the animal we want to eat or grow vegetables (I grow some) ?. How we have progressed !.

This is probably deserving of a thread of its own but for here it indicates that some of the businesses going bust like TGI Fridays were irrelevant 70 years ago so it is arguably just progress ?. Not sure its good progress mind you.
 

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Winding the clock back further. The vast majority of people used to NEVER eat out back in the 1950s (maybe 1960s).
It was a very rare occurrence in the 80s for my parents too, only when we were either on holiday or when on day trips in the summer, I don't recall ever eating out anywhere near our home.
 

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Sadly, we’ve given up on eating out except for carvery Sunday roasts.

Pub and restaurant menus are derivative and predictable - sea bass, steak, burger, fish and chips, a ‘pie’ that’s actually a casserole with a lid (grrr), and a veggie dish.

Portion sizes have become laughable too. A picture from a local eatery shows six beautifully arranged chips in a tiny bowl. Do I photograph them or eat them?

Finally, when even a very expensive steak house bearing the name of a world famous chef puts a tough, inedible steak in front of me (and many others according to reviews) the ‘bleeding obvious’ is that we are better cooks at home than many supposed ‘chefs’. Sad.

We're the same, the only places we tend to go to now for food is Spoons, it's good value and we're yet to have a bad meal there.

Most other restaurants we've been to since Covid have been a disappointment in some way.
 

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I wonder if there is a way deliveroo could deliver and administer the weight loss injections featured in the news these days.

People really seem to have lost sight of feeling independent and capable. But then when is the last time many of us humans went out and slaughtered the animal we want to eat or grow vegetables (I grow some) ?. How we have progressed !.

This is probably deserving of a thread of its own but for here it indicates that some of the businesses going bust like TGI Fridays were irrelevant 70 years ago so it is arguably just progress ?. Not sure its good progress mind you.

I am prescribed ozempic as part of managing my diabetes, for which i realise how fortunate I am as I'm sure there are more deserving people out there who could benefit from it, especially as there are regular shortages.

My wife and I, on our university children visits, have a favourite indian restaurant in York but the downside of ozempic (or is that an "upside"?) is that I can never have a meal there without coming away with a "doggy bag" for eating the next day(!)
 

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Best story I had was a cycle delivery guy telling me that he had delivered a McDonalds to a 3rd floor flat NEXT-DOOR to the McDonalds he collected from !.

I told that story one time to a taxi driver who then told me he had delivered a meal from Pizza Hut (iirc) to the hotel right next door !. For me I would want to get out of my hotel room.
One Sunday morning I walked passed a flat having a McDonald's delivered from the restaurant 400m away.
He didn't get his food as he threw it down onto the doorstep due to the drink having leaked over the food.

The laziness, rudeness etc., my daughters had an example of how someone shouldn't behave.
 

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Just a gentle reminder that this thread is to discuss companies you expect to disappear soon (not companies you don't expect to disappear soon) ;)
 

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On the subject of TGI Fridays. I do wonder how many other well known/national food outlets might be at risk of succumbing to peoples migration from eating out to getting a delivery ?. Certainly anywhere like TGI Fridays that offers an "atmosphere" will find their kitchens' offering has nothing special to offer if the food is just delivered to a home.

Could we end up like department stores as far as eateries go. Not many big chains left (hopefully the small independents will survive eg Indian restaurants). Well I am thinking that there is only Marks and Spencers left as a national chain since the demise if Debenhams, BHS, Allders and C&A (withdrew back to Germany aiui). Diversification helps as M&S now sell food. Of course most of the large food retailers also sell things like clothes so I suspect their diversification exacerbated the problems for the aforementioned clothes shops and also of course helped the food retailer.

So I am trying to think of some companies that have not diversified or have a unique selling feature that does not work with delivery.

Having just been to Cosmos last night it was not very busy. Their eat as much as you like concept does not work if you want food delivered !. Personally I find £25 to eat as much as one can a bit punishing and I can over fill myself up for only £10. But one of the family is in love with being able to get a bargain that he has no use for !. So are things like carveries up against it ?. Perhaps that is why the parent company of Premier inn are shedding their adjacent food outlets.
 
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Could we end up like department stores as far as eateries go. Not many big chains left (hopefully the small independents will survive eg Indian restaurants).
It's probably not the way you wanted me to interpret your answer, but looking at it from another view one area where there appears to be a lot of success is the market hall type concept whereby food vendors set up in a shared building with a common food court seating area. So yes, in a way, it is ending up like a department store, with a lot of smaller concessions within a large building.

TGI's was nothing special, and in any market where there isn't a distinction for quality, service or price, they are under threat. None of my TGI's experiences have left me with, let's go there again out of choice it was usually an event, birthday, leaving etc.

The takeaway apps have just made people more lazier, as is demonstrated by some of the examples in this thread. But then again, if there's someone who wants pay a fiver to have a soggy lukewarm burger delivered in a bag, so be it.
 

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It's probably not the way you wanted me to interpret your answer, but looking at it from another view one area where there appears to be a lot of success is the market hall type concept whereby food vendors set up in a shared building with a common food court seating area. So yes, in a way, it is ending up like a department store, with a lot of smaller concessions within a large building.

TGI's was nothing special, and in any market where there isn't a distinction for quality, service or price, they are under threat. None of my TGI's experiences have left me with, let's go there again out of choice it was usually an event, birthday, leaving etc.

The takeaway apps have just made people more lazier, as is demonstrated by some of the examples in this thread. But then again, if there's someone who wants pay a fiver to have a soggy lukewarm burger delivered in a bag, so be it.
I think you have a point there. A shared food hall solves the problem of members of a group wanting different types of meal. Catering for a diverse set of food preferences dare I say !.

And TGIs was something to be avoided in my experience unless you really wanted the party atmosphere.
 

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Maybe the fad for having cuisine in a faux-American environment is dying, I mean, Frankies & Benny's are in retreat, Planet Hollywood is gone, TGI's is in trouble etc.
 

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Maybe the fad for having cuisine in a faux-American environment is dying, I mean, Frankies & Benny's are in retreat, Planet Hollywood is gone, TGI's is in trouble etc.
Outback Steakhouse never bloomed in the UK. (Despite the name, US based.)
 

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On the subject of TGI Fridays. I do wonder how many other well known/national food outlets might be at risk of succumbing to peoples migration from eating out to getting a delivery ?. Certainly anywhere like TGI Fridays that offers an "atmosphere" will find their kitchens' offering has nothing special to offer if the food is just delivered to a home.
The only times I ever visited TGI Fridays were on team nights out from work, and I got the distinct impression from observing other tables that a fair chunk of their other customers were there for the same reason.

The adoption of flexible/home working since 2020 has certainly put a dent in that potential market.
 

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The only times I ever visited TGI Fridays were on team nights out from work, and I got the distinct impression from observing other tables that a fair chunk of their other customers were there for the same reason.

The adoption of flexible/home working since 2020 has certainly put a dent in that potential market.

It would actually be good for people working from home to meet up with colleagues in a more social setting from time to time, but it must seem incredibly difficult to effectively organise such things.

I'm thinking especially for people who already knew each other before moving to home or hybrid working, as there might be more of a connection, but equally if not more important for those who have started new jobs and never really met or engaged with colleagues face to face.

Maybe a business can find a way to attract these people, who could actually want to get out of the house and not order in!
 

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Just thinking back at how things have changed. I used store restaurants for lunch Woolworths, BHS, Debenhams etc. When I was travelling I used Little Chefs for evening meals if I was going to be late home. I also years ago used Berni Inns for lunch but preferred a slightly more up market brand which from memory was Schooner Inns. In burger bars my first choice was Wendy's followed by Wimpey's neither of which are around, at least not in my area, as I believe there is one Wimpey Kiosk about 20 miles from me. Now for lunches it always seems to be Spoons.
 

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Wimpy still exists and where they are, seem pretty popular for eating in more than taking away, and Wendy's has returned in rather limited locations - but prices are sky high, much like all fast food restaurants.

Maybe Wimpy does better as you sit down and someone takes your order, so you feel some more value than using a kiosk and then waiting an age (as I experience at Wendy's in Brighton) to have your order ready to collect, only to then sit at a table that hasn't been cleaned because there's too few staff.

I appreciate the mess is partly down to inconsiderate customers, but it's still a thing that needs to be addressed.

If even McDonald's has taken a hit, I can't see Wendy's or anyone else expanding much further. More likely we will see them exit the market again.
 

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The only times I ever visited TGI Fridays were on team nights out from work, and I got the distinct impression from observing other tables that a fair chunk of their other customers were there for the same reason.

The adoption of flexible/home working since 2020 has certainly put a dent in that potential market.
That is a good point - corporate entertainment.
Just thinking back at how things have changed. I used store restaurants for lunch Woolworths, BHS, Debenhams etc. When I was travelling I used Little Chefs for evening meals if I was going to be late home. I also years ago used Berni Inns for lunch but preferred a slightly more up market brand which from memory was Schooner Inns. In burger bars my first choice was Wendy's followed by Wimpey's neither of which are around, at least not in my area, as I believe there is one Wimpey Kiosk about 20 miles from me. Now for lunches it always seems to be Spoons.
You have mentioned a few names there I had forgotten ever existed. And prompts me to add littlewoods - their five or seven item breakfast I used to have on Saturday (late) mornings and I do not think I ever bought anything from the rest of the store.
Wimpy still exists and where they are, seem pretty popular for eating in more than taking away, and Wendy's has returned in rather limited locations - but prices are sky high, much like all fast food restaurants.

Maybe Wimpy does better as you sit down and someone takes your order, so you feel some more value than using a kiosk and then waiting an age (as I experience at Wendy's in Brighton) to have your order ready to collect, only to then sit at a table that hasn't been cleaned because there's too few staff.

I appreciate the mess is partly down to inconsiderate customers, but it's still a thing that needs to be addressed.

If even McDonald's has taken a hit, I can't see Wendy's or anyone else expanding much further. More likely we will see them exit the market again.
Last Wimpy I saw (eat in with a plate style) was opposite Wetherspoons so I expect there could be more around.

Wendys - there was one in Croydon for a couple of years in a brand new building circe 1990s. Long gone until a year or so ago one popped up in another part of Croydon. I was straight in there. Expensive but nice. I would forego ten McDonalds meals for one Wendys but could actually buy more then three probably.
 

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Wendys - there was one in Croydon for a couple of years in a brand new building circe 1990s. Long gone until a year or so ago one popped up in another part of Croydon. I was straight in there. Expensive but nice. I would forego ten McDonalds meals for one Wendys but could actually buy more then three probably.

Absolutely love a Baconator :D
 

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Slightly surprised at Wendy’s being expensive. When they had just reopened in Oxford I thought their prices were on a par with BK and McDonalds, rather than the upmarket outlets like Five Guys. Have they ramped up recently? (I’ve not been in for a while)
 

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Absolutely love a Baconator :D
The Baconator might actually be the USP that ensures their survival.
Slightly surprised at Wendy’s being expensive. When they had just reopened in Oxford I thought their prices were on a par with BK and McDonalds, rather than the upmarket outlets like Five Guys. Have they ramped up recently? (I’ve not been in for a while)
Your right Five Guys is much more expensive and puts Wendys much nearer to Burger King on prices by comparison. When Five Guys first opened in Croydon it was very busy. I was aware of lots of offers but it was too busy for me to bother. Months later they were quiet enough for me to take a look - but cost a lot more than I expected !. Nowadays the Croydon branch of Five Guys is looking rather dead so not sure how long they will last.

Croydon Five Guys is in a former Yates pub. I remember once going in on a Friday when the nearest Wetherspoons was too busy but the Yates was deserted so we quickly left !.
Is Five Guys a brand owned by the same group as Yates ?.
Are there any Yates left - I think properly called "Yates's Wine Lodge" ?.
 

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Croydon Five Guys is in a former Yates pub. I remember once going in on a Friday when the nearest Wetherspoons was too busy but the Yates was deserted so we quickly left !.

The ever entertaining George 'Spoons? I worked there for a brief spell about 20 years ago!
 

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The ever entertaining George 'Spoons? I worked there for a brief spell about 20 years ago!
Yes. Not the best Spoons in Croydon but now the only one left of what were four !. But I think Spoons will maybe survive due to drastic cutting back.
 

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People really think Wetherspoons are a company that they expect to disappear soon?!

(or are we drifting off topic?)
 

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People really think Wetherspoons are a company that they expect to disappear soon?!

(or are we drifting off topic?)
I have heard people (outside this forum) mention they think Wetherspoons might be going under. This is based on there having been plenty of closures and also sales of pubs but as going concerns. I am not so sure and my view is that the owner is being rather cautious and not complacent (some might say mecenary ?). So I suspect if pubs in general are to survive then Wetherspoons will still be around but in smaller numbers.
 

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