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SWR Class 458 to be retained
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Appears that 8406 might've ran 5Q90 and 5Q91 from Bournemouth to Basingstoke and return today: https://flickr.com/photos/157760463@N05/54119118206.
458/4 PTI test run to Windsor
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They'll probably continue service on the metro/suburban routes until the 701s have fully rolled out, but the plans after that, idk.
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458407 & 458417 on today's 5Q90 & 5Q91 runs, as spotted at Eastleigh just now.
Who knows, it's Porterbrook's money that's getting burnt but at least they will be getting some money back on this potentially short term lease while the Aventra's slowly enter traffic. I can see the ex 460's heading to Booths shortly though, no doubt after providing valuable spares for their Scottish and South Western cousins first though.
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The lease is through to 2027.
I would bet the Porterbrook are not getting burnt on this deal - given when it was signed (during Covid) they will have covered their risks.
TT-ONR-NRN
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They haven't, I don't think? Some of the future 401-428 are still as /5s, only a couple mind.
which is why batteries and intermittent conductor rail to Salisbury and Exeter is under condsideration at SWR anyway.
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The diagrams are mostly Waterloo to Weybridge via Hounslow with a couple of Hounslow loop peak workings. Four out of seven all day workings on this route are 458/4 formed.
50002Superb
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Are they test runs?
Kite159
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I presume so, Bournemouth to Basingstoke & back to Bournemouth.
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The last of the units to be converted, 458514, has started on its journey away from Wimbledon
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They are all at Cockshute Sidings, Stoke.
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They are visible on the approach to Stoke On Trent station, when I went passed, on a Avanti service, I
last saw them a few weeks ago, the were quite a few of ex 460 coaches, though one was painted in a deep olive green livery. Which I presume is a pilot livery for transporting other units? Though confirmation. Would be great!
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Also, do the Class 458/4s still operate limited commuter services to Weybridge now? Is the any talk of them possibly sharing diagrams with Class 450s?
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I’ve seen photos of the first couple of removed coaches at Long Marston. Have they since been moved to Stoke?
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but watching an interview with Neil Drury, SWR Infrastructure Director, by Green Signals on YouTube, he’s suggesting SWR are exploring how they can fit surplus EMUs with batteries or for use of on the WoE line to replace 158s/159s. So there likely is a future for the 458s after all.
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He specifically mentioned that the choice was Desiros or 701s.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Yes, and that would most likely require the 458s in use to release those…
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Not really. He stated that the amount of 701s ordered were based on service levels that were never likely to be restored, hence a surplus. And it's going to be a pretty hefty surplus if service levels stay as they are. So they'd either displace Desiros or would themselves be used as battery trains.
Intrigued to hear that. Are you sure it was an ex 460 coach or was it the PEP translator coach?
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I happened to pass by this morning and it's definitely an ex-460 coach.
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There’s a current thread about it, been running almost a month now, but it’s more about 450s:
Battery 450s replacing 159s on West of England line?
Moderator note - split from: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/swr-refurbishing-class-158-and-159.275269/ To be honest, they should just do away with it now, it is never enforced, any morning train into and afternoon train out of Exeter first is just full of students with their feet on the...
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Looking on Flickr I came across this photo, no idea of number but it doesn't look olive green to me, more like a dark grey.
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Or Caledonian Sleeper "midnight teal"?
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To my naked eye it definitely looks olive green.Looking on Flickr I came across this photo, no idea of number but it doesn't look olive green to me, more like a dark grey.
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It's navy blue for me