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I can see seats still in there. I was under the impression that part of the work done at Bournemouth before sending them off to Widnes was the stripping out of the ex 460 coach.
Paths are now on RTT for the transfer of 458514 from Bournemouth to Widnes but there does not appear not to be a transfer of 458403 in the opposite direction
Tuesday 12th November 2024
5O09 1318 Leicester L.I.P. to Eastleigh East Yard
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Wednesday 13th November 2024
5B09 0757 Eastleigh East Yard to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D
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5Z66 1441 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard
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5Q95 1752 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech
Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1752 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 13/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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It would appear that 458411 has become the 18th 458/4 to see passenger use
Real-time train running information for 2S45 1522 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 12/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Paths are now on RTT for the transfer of 458514 from Bournemouth to Widnes but there does not appear not to be a transfer of 458403 in the opposite direction
Tuesday 12th November 2024
5O09 1318 Leicester L.I.P. to Eastleigh East Yard
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Wednesday 13th November 2024
5B09 0757 Eastleigh East Yard to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D
Real-time train running information for 5B09 0757 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 13/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5Z66 1441 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard
Real-time train running information for 5Z66 1441 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard on 13/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5Q95 1752 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech
Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1752 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 13/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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It would appear that 458411 has become the 18th 458/4 to see passenger use
Real-time train running information for 2S45 1522 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 12/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
With batteries. The seating layout can be changed. Just leaves the door positions which I think we will have to accept 1/3rd + 2/3rd positions could become a norm for anything other then the most extreme intercity routes.
With batteries. The seating layout can be changed. Just leaves the door positions which I think we will have to accept 1/3rd + 2/3rd positions could become a norm for anything other then the most extreme intercity routes.
No different to a 450 really, once the interior layout for either is altered. The big job will be a battery conversion of either 450s or 701s - my money is on 450s but 701s might be easier for all I know and certainly gives a longer life after conversion.
The whole point is SWR look to be having a significant surplus of suburban EMUs so they would not waste time re-purposing 444s which are a scarce resource.
This is being discussed at length in this appropriate thread, worth having a look before we go even further off topic.
No different to a 450 really, once the interior layout for either is altered. The big job will be a battery conversion of either 450s or 701s - my money is on 450s but 701s might be easier for all I know and certainly gives a longer life after conversion.
Paths are now on RTT for the transfer of 458514 from Bournemouth to Widnes but there does not appear not to be a transfer of 458403 in the opposite direction
Tuesday 12th November 2024
5O09 1318 Leicester L.I.P. to Eastleigh East Yard
Real-time train running information for 5O09 1318 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Eastleigh East Yard on 12/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Wednesday 13th November 2024
5B09 0757 Eastleigh East Yard to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D
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5Z66 1441 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard
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5Q95 1752 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech
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It would appear that 458411 has become the 18th 458/4 to see passenger use
Real-time train running information for 2S45 1522 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 12/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Real-time train running information for 5Z64 1250 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5Q64 1736 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1736 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Real-time train running information for 5Z64 1250 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5Q64 1736 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1736 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Real-time train running information for 5Z64 1250 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5Q64 1736 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1736 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1736 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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However a traction fault has led to todays onward move from Wembley to be cancelled
Real-time train running information for 5X64 1221 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 19/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Assuming that this is 458403, then this is the same unit that was delayed for nearly a week on its northward journey to Widnes due to a traction fault with the loco.
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1736 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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However a traction fault has led to todays onward move from Wembley to be cancelled
Real-time train running information for 5X64 1221 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 19/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Assuming that this is 458403, then this is the same unit that was delayed for nearly a week on its northward journey to Widnes due to a traction fault with the loco.
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1736 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 18/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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However a traction fault has led to todays onward move from Wembley to be cancelled
Real-time train running information for 5X64 1221 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 19/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Assuming that this is 458403, then this is the same unit that was delayed for nearly a week on its northward journey to Widnes due to a traction fault with the loco.
Real-time train running information for 0Z47 0937 departure from Peterboro Maint Shed Gbrf to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 20/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5X64 1321 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central
Real-time train running information for 5X64 1321 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 20/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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It has also been confirmed that it is 458403 with 57305 in Wembley Yard
A rather fraught journey from Kingston to Wimbledon yesterday lunchtime involved three trains, two of which were 2x458/5s, which must be a record.
Firstly Control in their wisdom decided the 200 people waiting at Kingston for the Waterloo train were not worth stopping for as the train was running four minutes late, so we were treated to the sight of 458536/35 whizzing past us, and we all had to cram on the following 2x455. As this was itself running eight minutes late Control decided to tip us all out at Raynes Park and run fast to Waterloo, so we ended up on 458533/29 (running an Epsom line service). Given that this train was now doing the work of three, it was fortunate that it had ten cars.
Are there any other 458/5s still running - I've lost track?
A rather fraught journey from Kingston to Wimbledon yesterday lunchtime involved three trains, two of which were 2x458/5s, which must be a record.
Firstly Control in their wisdom decided the 200 people waiting at Kingston for the Waterloo train were not worth stopping for as the train was running four minutes late, so we were treated to the sight of 458536/35 whizzing past us, and we all had to cram on the following 2x455. As this was itself running eight minutes late Control decided to tip us all out at Raynes Park and run fast to Waterloo, so we ended up on 458533/29 (running an Epsom line service). Given that this train was now doing the work of three, it was fortunate that it had ten cars.
Are there any other 458/5s still running - I've lost track?
Real-time train running information for 0Z47 0937 departure from Peterboro Maint Shed Gbrf to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 20/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5X64 1321 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central
Real-time train running information for 5X64 1321 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 20/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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It has also been confirmed that it is 458403 with 57305 in Wembley Yard
I can confirm this ran last night as I was treated to the sight of 47739 opening up through Basingstoke last night as I was waiting for my cancelled SWR.
Is the general consensus now, that the Class 458/4s will never see outer suburban usage alongside Class 450s and 444s? Will the latter just return to the inner suburban routes they used to run?
Also would anybody bear footage of the Class 458/0s in their first years of service? such as 2002/2005? I am intrigued to see the appalling build quality of the units, before they were withdrawn in 2005. Also according to Wikipedia the units leaked water in to the saloons. Would anybody recount their experiences of this when the Class first entered service.
Also would anybody bear footage of the Class 458/0s in their first years of service? such as 2002/2005? I am intrigued to see the appalling build quality of the units, before they were withdrawn in 2005. Also according to Wikipedia the units leaked water in to the saloons. Would anybody recount their experiences of this when the Class first entered service.
I very much remember when they first entered. Loose and rattling panels (resolved by Wimbledon using copious amounts of mastic), ceiling panels hanging off, the TMS having to reset part-way through what felt like almost every journey, every unit having bad wheel flats, even in the summer, aircon giving up at the first sign of warm weather, water dripping out of the aircon units, barely audible PA. The list goes on. The overall quality was extraordinarily bad and fair play to SWT for putting so much effort into getting them to at least a half-reasonable standard.
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Is the general consensus now, that the Class 458/4s will never see outer suburban usage alongside Class 450s and 444s? Will the latter just return to the inner suburban routes they used to run?
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