First Greater Glasgow

[JumpinTrainz]

The casing which houses the batteries has badly corroded on a lot of the BYD 200EV single deck vehicles. Some even have the batteries resting on the roof itself causing the roof to sag. Around 20 failed their inspection over the last 48 hours. Staff drove them up to ADL Falkirk yesterday as seen pictured. Still under warranty repair I believe but will be off the road for the foreseeable future. 400EVs not expected to have similar problems due to batteries being stacked up the rear of the vehicle and not on the roof.

37218 given all things considered (but mostly down to the age of the vehicle) will be removed off fleet once returned from the police investigation unit. Most likely major chassis damage to the full roof and surrounding area and not just the part that was directly under the bridge. It’s not like 37748 where it could be repaired but more so it is now at the time in its life where it would not have long left on the road regardless. I’m still surprised 37748 was repaired to this day and not sold to the scrap man


Seats are from 37203 which is now completely bare inside and ready for part recycling pending uplift for scrap

I hope Glasgow order Yutongs when the time comes.

 

[Dfatcontroller]

Apparently 37203 is in purple/grey but never saw service with it

First Glasgow 37203 WLT 770 now in revised corporate livery between duties at Caledonia depot.

Previously registered SF07 FET.

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Image Description: A Wright Eclipse Gemini in the base purple/grey FirstGroup livery without any branding. Numbered 37203 to illustrate the point being made.

 

[GusB]

37218 given all things considered (but mostly down to the age of the vehicle) will be removed off fleet once returned from the police investigation unit.

I'd be interested to know why this would involve the Police - surely they'd only be involved if a serious incident had taken place.

 

[Dfatcontroller]

I'd be interested to know why this would involve the Police - surely they'd only be involved if a serious incident had taken place.

Is a person taken to hospital critically injured not serious enough?

 

[GusB]

Is a person taken to hospital critically injured not serious enough?

If someone has been hospitalised as a result of any structural failure, obviously it would be a matter for investigation. However, nobody has mentioned it so far in this thread.

 

[Falcon1200]

I'd be interested to know why this would involve the Police - surely they'd only be involved if a serious incident had taken place.

Any bridge strike, regardless of the outcome, should be treated as a road traffic accident. As railway staff dealing with such (far too often) we always ensured the local Police, as well as British Transport Police, were advised. Who would actually attend might be another matter, but in an incident such as Cook Street, which as mentioned above most certainly was serious, Police would without doubt be involved.

 

[GusB]

Any bridge strike, regardless of the outcome, should be treated as a road traffic accident. As railway staff dealing with such (far too often) we always ensured the local Police, as well as British Transport Police, were advised. Who would actually attend might be another matter, but in an incident such as Cook Street, which as mentioned above most certainly was serious, Police would without doubt be involved.

I was responding to this post.

The casing which houses the batteries has badly corroded on a lot of the BYD 200EV single deck vehicles. Some even have the batteries resting on the roof itself causing the roof to sag. Around 20 failed their inspection over the last 48 hours. Staff drove them up to ADL Falkirk yesterday as seen pictured. Still under warranty repair I believe but will be off the road for the foreseeable future. 400EVs not expected to have similar problems due to batteries being stacked up the rear of the vehicle and not on the roof.

37218 given all things considered (but mostly down to the age of the vehicle) will be removed off fleet once returned from the police investigation unit. Most likely major chassis damage to the full roof and surrounding area and not just the part that was directly under the bridge. It’s not like 37748 where it could be repaired but more so it is now at the time in its life where it would not have long left on the road regardless. I’m still surprised 37748 was repaired to this day and not sold to the scrap man


Seats are from 37203 which is now completely bare inside and ready for part recycling pending uplift for scrap

It refers to the Enviro 200EVs bring pulled off the road. I wasn't making any reference to the vehicle that struck the Cook Street bridge. The poster in question went on to talk about 37218 in the same post.

 

[Falcon1200]

I wasn't making any reference to the vehicle that struck the Cook Street bridge. The poster in question went on to talk about 37218 in the same post.

Your post #14852, to which I responded, refers directly, and solely, to 37218 - Which was the vehicle involved at Cook Street.

 

[ScotRail158725]

Why are so many of these electrics off the road? Are they having the same sort of issues as some of lothian's new bzls or is it more serious?

Structural problems, likely from the terrible build quality aswell as the heavy batteries on the roof and as mentioned above water ingress too

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Do we know if this is affecting all of the BYD/ADL E200EVs or just the earlier 71/22 batch?

 

[Blindtraveler]

ADL really are dreadful all the noise and fuss about how good they are for one reason or another and yet this is what we get along with all the usual problems of squeaks and groans and creaks and rattles

 

[JaredWyllie1]

Apparently 37203 is in purple/grey but never saw service with it

Correct

 

[Arin Ates]

Apparently 37203 is in purple/grey but never saw service with it

But Even 37143, 37193 amd 37200 Were Never in Service In Purple/Grey. And 37207 Has Been Off the Road since June, 37538 has been off the road since July and 37271 has been off the road since 2 Months ago.

 

[LT02 NVV]

Do we know if this is affecting all of the BYD/ADL E200EVs or just the earlier 71/22 batch?

I honestly don’t know, because I was on 64152 yesterday, and it wasn’t too shakey.

 

[Noddy1]

If it is true about the Enviro200s will First Glasgow be able to claim compensation against ADL? I know the work may be covered by warranty but buses 3 years old or less should mot hsve problems like this. Is it down to initial design, shoddy workmanship or a combination of both? Do you know if other Bus operators have experienced similar problems? I have defended ADL up to know and still will when necessary but this sounds appalling.

 

[LT02 NVV]

I hope Glasgow order Yutongs when the time comes.

Ironically, I’ve heard a McGills driver say that’s why the company didn’t buy more than one E200EV for their fleet, and got more Yutongs.

"ADL’s Buses keep falling apart." - His words.

But Even 37143, 37193 amd 37200 Were Never in Service In Purple/Grey. And 37207 Has Been Off the Road since June, 37538 has been off the road since July and 37271 has been off the road since 2 Months ago.

37193 recently re-entered traffic again. Saw it a days ago, it has gotten a complete seat re-fit with the new seating moquette replacing the leather "upgrade" it use to have. And I think it has an upgrade near it’s axels too.

 

[Spsf3232]

Ironically, I’ve heard a McGills driver say that’s why the company didn’t buy more than one E200EV for their fleet, and got more Yutongs.

"ADL’s Buses keep falling apart." - His words.


37193 recently re-entered traffic again. Saw it a days ago, it has gotten a complete seat re-fit with the new seating moquette replacing the leather "upgrade" it use to have. And I think it has an upgrade near it’s axels too.

Build quality is shocking but it's not all of them. Driven a 74 plate that would only do 6mph up a hill and rattles and suffers from water ingress yet one delivered a month later is absolutely perfect!

 

[JaredWyllie1]

I'd be interested to know why this would involve the Police - surely they'd only be involved if a serious incident had taken place.

It is a serious incident…

 

[voidwxrranty]

But Even 37143, 37193 amd 37200 Were Never in Service In Purple/Grey. And 37207 Has Been Off the Road since June, 37538 has been off the road since July and 37271 has been off the road since 2 Months ago.

37538 is off fleet.

I'd be interested to know why this would involve the Police - surely they'd only be involved if a serious incident had taken place.

is a bridge strike which resulted in someone being seriously injured not serious to you?

I hope Glasgow order Yutongs when the time comes.

Glasgow is likely to go down the WrightBus EV route, there is Electroliners on the order book for Scotland.

 

[Busman84]

The Wright deckers aren’t great either. Steering is heavier than other vehicles and I hear heating can be poor. It’s possible their charge lasts longer than ADL buses. But has the build quality improved. Not a fan of there deckers. The new E400 EV looks better but like previous models the build quality just isn’t there.

 

[voidwxrranty]

The Wright deckers aren’t great either. Steering is heavier than other vehicles and I hear heating can be poor. It’s possible their charge lasts longer than ADL buses. But has the build quality improved. Not a fan of there deckers. The new E400 EV looks better but like previous models the build quality just isn’t there.

heating is poor on ADL examples. sometimes it can be colder on the bus than it is outside!

 

[Blindtraveler]

Has anyone on here actually ridden one of the new generation all ADL electric deckers yet? I know there are some in service but I think only in small numbers and mostly in the south. I certainly haven't come across one and have actually not been paying much attention as to who has got them but would be interested in a real world perspective from somebody on here

 

[JD2168]

The casing which houses the batteries has badly corroded on a lot of the BYD 200EV single deck vehicles. Some even have the batteries resting on the roof itself causing the roof to sag. Around 20 failed their inspection over the last 48 hours. Staff drove them up to ADL Falkirk yesterday as seen pictured. Still under warranty repair I believe but will be off the road for the foreseeable future. 400EVs not expected to have similar problems due to batteries being stacked up the rear of the vehicle and not on the roof.

37218 given all things considered (but mostly down to the age of the vehicle) will be removed off fleet once returned from the police investigation unit. Most likely major chassis damage to the full roof and surrounding area and not just the part that was directly under the bridge. It’s not like 37748 where it could be repaired but more so it is now at the time in its life where it would not have long left on the road regardless. I’m still surprised 37748 was repaired to this day and not sold to the scrap man


Seats are from 37203 which is now completely bare inside and ready for part recycling pending uplift for scrap

Are there enough vehicles available to cover the troubled E200’s or will there need to be any loans?

Could 37218 be converted to open top for use down south or is the damage more severe than seen particularly to the lower parts of the bodywork?

Hopefully the injured passengers will be ok

 

[Fin447]

Has anyone on here actually ridden one of the new generation all ADL electric deckers yet? I know there are some in service but I think only in small numbers and mostly in the south. I certainly haven't come across one and have actually not been paying much attention as to who has got them but would be interested in a real world perspective from somebody on here

I've done one, it was an overall good experience. A comfortable ride, good heating, and only noticed one small rattle coming from the rear corner.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Has anyone on here actually ridden one of the new generation all ADL electric deckers yet? I know there are some in service but I think only in small numbers and mostly in the south. I certainly haven't come across one and have actually not been paying much attention as to who has got them but would be interested in a real world perspective from somebody on here

Yes - travelled on three of them operated by Stagecoach Manchester on Bee Network the other week.

I noticed they were much better than the BYD examples delivered last year - less creaking and squeaking

 

[Blindtraveler]

That's interesting, I wonder how they'll do when there's more of them out and about and they're churning them out in greater numbers

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Glasgow has predominantly seen ADL stock since 2010 with the exception of the Streetlites in 2014. I had thought the eventual plan would be to standardise the Glasgow fleet and make it 100% ADL/BYD once the B9TLs came up for replacement.

Given how many ADL buses are in the current fleet I think it makes sense for the B9TLs to be replaced by the new generation E400EVs.

Ordering Electroliners for the 500 has sort of thrown that theory up in the air and now it’s questionable if First are reverting back to ordering Wright again for Glasgow or if this is just a one off for the airport buses. I’d liked to have seen the Yutongs products used in Glasgow more. Their build quality and range is considerably better than that of the BYD stock that has been ordered in the masses. Having some U11DDs and E12s would have been nice.

 

[route101]

Has anyone on here actually ridden one of the new generation all ADL electric deckers yet? I know there are some in service but I think only in small numbers and mostly in the south. I certainly haven't come across one and have actually not been paying much attention as to who has got them but would be interested in a real world perspective from somebody on here

No, I have been on Wright StreetDecks which look very similar on Lothian Buses and First Solent and prefer ADLs.

 

[Metal Mickey]

No, I have been on Wright StreetDecks which look very similar on Lothian Buses and First Solent and prefer ADLs.

I agree, can’t say I’m impressed with the Streetdecks or the Lothian Volvo B5s with similar bodies. The E400s feel roomier and have better heating.

 

[LT02 NVV]

37546 has apparently returned from Aberdeen (the one Ex-Manchester that’s still in Olympia livery), probably because they need more buses at Caledonia at the moment.