Pretty noticeable. Also, it would depend on the colour of the diffusers (the plastic likely yellowed over time) in the fixture, which would likely become discoloured at different rates.
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Discuss223
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I wonder if the kitchen equipment on the ex-Avanti units will be modified during the refurbishment. They are heavier than the kitchens on the rest of the fleet, as they can accommodate more complex cooking. I believe XC's just has a microwave, worktop, refrigerators/storage, hot water provider & hand basin. The ex-Avanti ones can provide chef-cooked meals on board.
Russel
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Or a case of what’s handy in the workshop, and needing to get the stock back out PDQ!
Probably also variation in what bulbs are available to order when restocking said workshop.
Presumably the buffets will be entirely removed?
Or is there more catering equipment elsewhere on board?
Goldfish62
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I'm sure I read in one of the articles on the refurbishment that the buffets are being removed. Makes perfect sense of course for standardisation.
TT-ONR-NRN
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They will be, yes.
The kitchens are in the ends rather than in the shop
danielnez1
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Does anyone know sort of of Kitchen provision the Voyagers have? Going by their menu I always assumed it would be just be some sort of combi/multifunction microwave and hot water facilities.
Discuss223
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There is more! The First Class galley has a full kitchen facility.
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On XC Classic units, the First Class kitchen has a powerful industrial microwave, hand wash basin, storage & refrigeration units. The ex-Avanti units have a more expansive set of facilities including steam ovens. In Standard Class, the XC Classic Voyagers have a vast refrigeration unit & industrial microwave. Obviously on ex-Avanti units, that part of the train is used for bicycle storage and as the Train Manager's Office.
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voyagerdude220
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On the ex Avanti Super Voyagers Train Manager's office was in First Class galley. Bike storage in the coach A behind the cab end.
absolutelymilk
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Will the Voyagers all be refurbished before going into service with XC or will some of them be used straight away?
They’re already in use. I believe the general concensus was that the AWC examples will likely be the last to receive overhaul, as they’re in better condition than the native XC fleet.
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Ah the ex Avanti ones! Enjoy these whilst you can before XC get them in for a refurb to their lowly standard and ruin them entirely. Voyagers of any sort are vile but the Avanti ones are at least bearable!
Are XC aware that this exists on their trains as whenever I do first class with them there never seems to be more than a coffee and a biscuit on offer?There is more! The First Class galley has a full kitchen facility.
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On XC Classic units, the First Class kitchen has a powerful industrial microwave, hand wash basin, storage & refrigeration units. The ex-Avanti units have a more expansive set of facilities including steam ovens. In Standard Class, the XC Classic Voyagers have a vast refrigeration unit & industrial microwave. Obviously on ex-Avanti units, that part of the train is used for bicycle storage and as the Train Manager's Office.
Blindtraveler
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Love how some on here have written off the proposed cross-country refurbishment of the voyager fleet before it's even started, providing they haven't contacted everyone's favourite Spanish seat manufacturer and got another job. Lot of ironing boards off the back of a lorry then actually it should be good as the existing seating has definitely had its heyday.
Bletchleyite
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It's the FISA LEAN, which is quite thick backed, so legroom will be poor, so I won't like it. Easy to tell that in advance
On may last point, having travelled in 221114 on Saturday I hadn’t noticed that the centre panel still remains. However, the white ceiling made it look a lot less noticeable and it still overall looked at lot smarter than their native XC brothers.
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RUK
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S Stock are actually so old that they have fluorescent tubes rather than LEDs!
Russel
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I'm surprised there hasn't been a program to switch over to LED tubes, even gradually!
Discuss223
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220005 now has white coloured external destination/information displays. These are similar to those that ex-Avanti sets have.
Mainliner
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I see it’s now been mentioned in the May 2025 timetable change thread that this does appear to be the case.
TT-ONR-NRN
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I'd better get on it quick then! I have a free First Class single journey ticket which I've been saving for that...
Mainliner
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Yes, I’m going in April, and will be having a GWR Pullman Dining meal between Plymouth and Paddington on the following day, before that also ends!
TT-ONR-NRN
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Wasn’t aware the Pullman was for the axe. Great shame. Enjoy.
Mainliner
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Nothing announced yet, as far as I know, but I keep hearing rumours of its demise.
AirRail
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That's what XC said most recently yes. Expecting around March for the first one to begin !
Starting in October 2025
Russel
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Certainly not rushing with this one!
I get that they may want to wait until more Avanti sets arrive, but let's be honest, with how many service XC cancel, they don't require a full fleet anyway!
Indeed; not sure that's really good enough; the interiors are in a state. Doesn't feel like there's a sense of urgency!